Nalod wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Nalod wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Nalod wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Chandler wrote:CrushAlot wrote:GoNyGoNyGo wrote:Hahaha...Melo traded in a salary dump! Serves him right. Maybe no he realizes that his game is incomplete and just being able to score is not enough especially as you get older. MdA would be a fool to take Melo on aGAin. Another no D player and at this point, he really doesn't light it up either.
So happy that NY was able to get rid of him last year. So happy that Knox is not around his personality.
Pjax's biggest miscalculation was resigning Melo. I still think he was forced to but he should have quit if that was the case. That set back the team 3 years at least.
Right after Phil was fired Charlie Rosen did a podcast talking about Phil's tenure. Rosen said Phil had complete autonomy when he was running the Knicks. He talked about a lot of other stuff and it was a great podcast. The biggest takeaway though was that the Melo contract was on Phil.
Contract may have been on Phil
But the performance is on Melo
Phil envisioned a transformed (not transactional) Melo, and I don't blame him for that. Yes he probably overpaid, and then the NTC, but I think he had reason to believe he could sell Melo on sharing and defending etc as he was famous for bringing more out of superstars, e.g., Kobe elevating his D, Shaq staying in better shape and on the floor more etc.
In the grand scheme who's the bigger dirt bag?
Not arguing about the performance. I just don't understand why there is still a push to make Phil blameless when he gave out one of the worst contracts in the history of sports. It isn't like his track record in NY giving out contracts was fabulous except for Melo's deal.
Nalod blames as such:
Phill 25...%
Melo 25...%
Dolan 25...%
Walsh 05...%
Layden 01...%
JR 10...%
Tapscot 01...%
Mills 05...%
Perry 03...%
It takes a Village to ruin the knicks!
I always thought Dolan gave near full autonomy but we should hold Melo for many reasons. Not saying by any stretch phil is blameless.
To say he was "hoodwinked and bamboozled" is to also say he allowed himself to be gullible. Both are complicate!
Dolan also stepped over walsh and overpaid. I never thought melo would go to free agency so "waiting" was not really an option. Perhaps we avoided Deron Williams if we failed to trade for him.
We got what we bargained for. Melo was relatively healthy and was the same player he was in Denver. We failed to build a team in part because we over paid, traded picks for years and were depleted. Its not a question of "Chandler, Gallo, ETC" as being the answer but a string of decisions that did not work out for what ever reason resulted in "failure". The Melo trade was not good as we only got to playoffs once.
The Knicks made the playoffs the first three years Melo was in NY. They didn't make it in Woodson's last year when they were transitioning to Phil. The Knicks didn't sniff the playoffs during Phil's tenure and Melo was on those teams. Roster construction, contracts, and coaches were all bad during Phil's autonomous run when Dolan didn't over step him.
Phil tried to rebuild with Melo. short run with Noah, rose and JR while drafting. Not a bad idea. It didn't work.
PHil is to blame because he was the defacto boss. Melo is to blame because he was going to sacrifice his game for the team to win. Phil is to blame for Noah, who himself is to blame for thinking he could be healthy, Rose is to blame because he was returning from injury. JR is too stupid to be blamed.
Plenty of blame to go around.
Water under the bridge.
Forgot was made playoffs Melo's first year. He played 27 games that season for us. Amare last great half season. Dude was incredible first half of season. Team was .500 without him.
Second year was 66 game short season. Linsanity was that year, AMare played 47 of the 66 games and avg 17 and 8. Melo was very good.
Third year was the mirage old man tour of Kurt, Rashweed and Kidd.
The Linsanity year the Knicks went 17-6 to finish the season and make the playoffs. Lin played in 5 of those games. Melo got player of the month for April that year. The next year the Knicks finished the season on a 15-1 run without Amare. Flu played in 5 games during that run. Melo got player of the month again for April. The 54 win season Melo was third in mvp voting. I think he would have won it if D12 didn't almost end his career in december of that year.
This was the lead up to Phil resigning him. Melo played very very well and his star power in full force. Knicks failure was lack of picks and trade assets organically grown to improve the team. As he lost a step the team did not improve around him.
Mills came in fall our 2013 and Phil was fully in charge by March of 2014. Knicks1248, how many times do you need to ask? Look at what Mills is doing now in full charge? Full youth movement. Seems like team under mills is fully changed the thinking process.
I suppose you can sit and be happy frank was not a top rookie or perhaps just root for the kid and the knicks to succeed. Sitting there pointing laying blame is kind of useless.
If Phil wasn't even allowed to fire MILLS and Bring in his OWN GM like mills was allowed to do, what does that say?
Mills interviewed one person for a job he wanted and wasn't qualified for, or proven that he was good at. Your boss telling you to interview people for a position you want....really
You personally think dolan should sell the team because he proved(and he said it himself) he doesn' know sht about building a winning culture, so how can you trust any decision he makes about who's right for the job.
Yeah we hired a decent coach, solid drafting, but every president does a few good things then makes some really bad decisions resulting in a crash landing soon after we take off..
