meloshouldgo wrote:Forget Russia, the GOP is dismantling the global environment for personal profit by selling out big oil companies. They have an agenda to destroy life, all of it for short term personal gains. The mother****ers know global warming is man made and getting worse but they don't care. They are basically destroying what little chance this planet has to survive. The other real threat is nuclear warfare and the fascist fukk in the white house keeps escalating that. Forget Russia, focus on the real problem.
We have meddled in Govt.of other countries including Russia throughout our entire history. This self righteous outrage feels a little empty because it's built on a standard of hypocrisy. I am not condoning collusion but the damage is done and even now there's zero hard data showing any real impact on the election outcome. But centrists can't stop talking about Russia because for the weak it's yet another reason to stick their heads in the sand. Unite against centrism before its too late. They have delivered a lot of noise and distraction and nothing of substance, ever.
You don't have to choose between two corrupt and morally empty options. America can do better, a lot better.
Social media campaigns were begun in October to suppress votes from certain groups...blacks, women, Berners. Why do you think Russians have been indicted?
There has been NO study done to look at the influence of the hacking and social media campaigns on the election, but you would be foolish to believe the didn't achieve some of the things they wanted...kept some folks home...others vote 3rd party.
We already know they tried to hack some Dems running in swing states in 2018, and that they've explored hacking into voting records.
People wouldn't be going on as much about Russia if the government appeared to be hardening our election systems, if the GOP House didn't seem intent on destroying the investigation, and if Trump had not looked like a sellout . Trump calling it a hoax actually attracts scrutiny.
I think folks are able to multitask...the issue right now is that except for the courts, it is hard to block things Trump is doing to the environment.
Most local Dems are not running on Russia as a #1 issue, but it's something in the background that everyone is aware of, and continued awareness of what happened in 2016 will, at the very least, inspire some people to take action at the voting booth.
Going after "centrists" is one reason why Trump won, by the way. I'd prefer the Dems to move to the left, but thinking that some of the extreme ideas of the left are going to be easy to sell in the short term, shows a naiveté I find alarming.
The goal now is to vote the GOP out of power in 2018 in at least one body of Congress, and set things up for defeating Trump if he runs in 2020. I don't give a shyte if the Dem is a centrist or on the left at this point...Watching Trump sweat over the Russia issue, and seeing GOP Senators and Representatives cowering and not stepping up for the nation can be used by Dems in Congressional races to show their opponent does not have any independence from Trump.
EnySpree: Can we agree to agree not to mention Phil Jackson and triangle for the rest of our lives?