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7/11/2018  3:22 PM
newyorknewyork wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:And you don't hear nobody talking about his age as an excuse. When a player comes out the gate like he has, you know what kind of player you have.... A Super STAR.

If we get the right PG who can play to his pace, we'll be Golden

And yet the only way to get these type of guys is to draft them.

lakers drafted bron
GSW drafted KD/cousin
boston drafted Haywood/Irving
thunder drafted PG13
Houston drafted Cp3/harden

Are you serious dude, It's just one way of getting them, NOT THE ONLY WAY.

The best thing the knicks have done so far is HIRED FIZ, He wanted knox, and he was the icing for Hezonja, and he may be the reason we finally make it back to the PO

Okay, let me be more clear. The only way for the Knicks "given their current circumstances" to get these type of players is to draft them. Not having the 2014 and 2016 draft picks set the Knicks back on young talent/assets compared to other teams.

Frank at 18 yrs old also lead the league in PNR defense and was apart of 12 of the 14 positive lineups(or 86%)that the Knicks produced out of the top 32. Frank and Knox worked pretty well last game together they both provide necessary items for the team. Regardless if Frank is the lead guard on rotational piece. He adds elements to the team that is necessary, and hard to come by. Knox does so as well which is why he has been viewed as special due to his skill, length, and versatility. Continue to collect versatile pieces for positionless bball.

KP, Knox, Frank all taken in the lotto, all providing massive wingspans and versatility for positionless bball. Maybe Frank never becomes a superstar, maybe he does. Regardless, he fits the vision of the team. With or without a lead guard Frank will still grow into a G/F playing anywhere from PG to SF based on lineup. While Knox will probably end up playing anywhere from 2-4 depending on lineup.

Fair enough. But Knox is showing what a top ten pick should look like. Lets not pretend Frank is being talked about as a big win as a lottery pick. Old news though. Lets hope next years pick is another lottery pick and it is more like Knox than Frank. And hope that Frank gets some of Knox's aggressive attitude.

This kid has tope tier athleticism. More importantly he has top tier confidence and is not afraid of the moment. Things you cant teach.

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7/11/2018  4:21 PM
newyorknewyork wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:And you don't hear nobody talking about his age as an excuse. When a player comes out the gate like he has, you know what kind of player you have.... A Super STAR.

If we get the right PG who can play to his pace, we'll be Golden

And yet the only way to get these type of guys is to draft them.

Glad the current management team was thorough and worked out guys as part of their evaluation. Frank just interviewed with the pres. That process this year probably gets the Knicks Mikal.

I know you are stuck on your vendetta against Phil so it is what it is.

But it wouldn't be comparable circumstances. KP blew Knicks away with his workout, Knox beat up Bridges in his workout to win the Knicks over. That same performance may have gotten him the nod, just like KP. Mikal didn't offer the same circumstances as Frank at all. Knicks wanted to see medical records on Smith which he refused. Monk didn't offer the length they were looking for. Which narrowed it down to Frank and Mitchell. My guess is that they felt Frank at worse case still had the size to be a rotational wing while Mitchell worst case would be an undersized SG. But that just my guess, I don't know what was said in the room when comparing the players for what got Frank the nod.

The principals of length and position less basketball all seem to apply to the lastest draft picks though.

It is hard not to be bitter about the approach Phil took doing his job. Smith jr. wanted no part of the dysfunction Phil had going on at the time. Falling asleep during workouts, skipping the ncaa tournament at msg to go to Shaq's statue unveiling in LA....., pushing the triangle on his coaches and players, drafting for the triangle etc. Not a lot to not be bitter about in my opinion.
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7/11/2018  4:58 PM
HofstraBBall wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:And you don't hear nobody talking about his age as an excuse. When a player comes out the gate like he has, you know what kind of player you have.... A Super STAR.

If we get the right PG who can play to his pace, we'll be Golden

And yet the only way to get these type of guys is to draft them.

lakers drafted bron
GSW drafted KD/cousin
boston drafted Haywood/Irving
thunder drafted PG13
Houston drafted Cp3/harden

Are you serious dude, It's just one way of getting them, NOT THE ONLY WAY.

The best thing the knicks have done so far is HIRED FIZ, He wanted knox, and he was the icing for Hezonja, and he may be the reason we finally make it back to the PO

Okay, let me be more clear. The only way for the Knicks "given their current circumstances" to get these type of players is to draft them. Not having the 2014 and 2016 draft picks set the Knicks back on young talent/assets compared to other teams.

Frank at 18 yrs old also lead the league in PNR defense and was apart of 12 of the 14 positive lineups(or 86%)that the Knicks produced out of the top 32. Frank and Knox worked pretty well last game together they both provide necessary items for the team. Regardless if Frank is the lead guard on rotational piece. He adds elements to the team that is necessary, and hard to come by. Knox does so as well which is why he has been viewed as special due to his skill, length, and versatility. Continue to collect versatile pieces for positionless bball.

KP, Knox, Frank all taken in the lotto, all providing massive wingspans and versatility for positionless bball. Maybe Frank never becomes a superstar, maybe he does. Regardless, he fits the vision of the team. With or without a lead guard Frank will still grow into a G/F playing anywhere from PG to SF based on lineup. While Knox will probably end up playing anywhere from 2-4 depending on lineup.

Fair enough. But Knox is showing what a top ten pick should look like. Lets not pretend Frank is being talked about as a big win as a lottery pick. Old news though. Lets hope next years pick is another lottery pick and it is more like Knox than Frank. And hope that Frank gets some of Knox's aggressive attitude.

This kid has tope tier athleticism. More importantly he has top tier confidence and is not afraid of the moment. Things you cant teach.

But not every top 10 pick will have star upside. Knox seems to. Frank may not, but getting a quality starting guard with elite defensive ability certainly isn't a loss at #8. In almost every draft, you will get 2 or more complete busts in the top 10, meaning guys who aren't even quality role players. Those getting caught up in Frank's lack of upside have overlooked his high floor as a good role player.

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7/11/2018  5:02 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/11/2018  5:06 PM
HofstraBBall wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:And you don't hear nobody talking about his age as an excuse. When a player comes out the gate like he has, you know what kind of player you have.... A Super STAR.

If we get the right PG who can play to his pace, we'll be Golden

And yet the only way to get these type of guys is to draft them.

lakers drafted bron
GSW drafted KD/cousin
boston drafted Haywood/Irving
thunder drafted PG13
Houston drafted Cp3/harden

Are you serious dude, It's just one way of getting them, NOT THE ONLY WAY.

The best thing the knicks have done so far is HIRED FIZ, He wanted knox, and he was the icing for Hezonja, and he may be the reason we finally make it back to the PO

Okay, let me be more clear. The only way for the Knicks "given their current circumstances" to get these type of players is to draft them. Not having the 2014 and 2016 draft picks set the Knicks back on young talent/assets compared to other teams.

Frank at 18 yrs old also lead the league in PNR defense and was apart of 12 of the 14 positive lineups(or 86%)that the Knicks produced out of the top 32. Frank and Knox worked pretty well last game together they both provide necessary items for the team. Regardless if Frank is the lead guard on rotational piece. He adds elements to the team that is necessary, and hard to come by. Knox does so as well which is why he has been viewed as special due to his skill, length, and versatility. Continue to collect versatile pieces for positionless bball.

KP, Knox, Frank all taken in the lotto, all providing massive wingspans and versatility for positionless bball. Maybe Frank never becomes a superstar, maybe he does. Regardless, he fits the vision of the team. With or without a lead guard Frank will still grow into a G/F playing anywhere from PG to SF based on lineup. While Knox will probably end up playing anywhere from 2-4 depending on lineup.

Fair enough. But Knox is showing what a top ten pick should look like. Lets not pretend Frank is being talked about as a big win as a lottery pick. Old news though. Lets hope next years pick is another lottery pick and it is more like Knox than Frank. And hope that Frank gets some of Knox's aggressive attitude.

This kid has tope tier athleticism. More importantly he has top tier confidence and is not afraid of the moment. Things you cant teach.

Knox wasn't in Franks draft though. You draft based on whats available to you that draft. Knox has top tier size, length & athleticism to go along with good skill. Questions were about his motor and that he may be a *project* which is why he dropped.

The correlations you guys are trying to make would only make sense if Knox was an under to average sized athlete, with no wingspan, and a liable tweener defensively. Instead he is a player whos still growing, who can guard multiple positions, and do multiple things on the basketball court do to his size, length, athleticism and skill.

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7/11/2018  5:15 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:And you don't hear nobody talking about his age as an excuse. When a player comes out the gate like he has, you know what kind of player you have.... A Super STAR.

If we get the right PG who can play to his pace, we'll be Golden

And yet the only way to get these type of guys is to draft them.

Glad the current management team was thorough and worked out guys as part of their evaluation. Frank just interviewed with the pres. That process this year probably gets the Knicks Mikal.

I know you are stuck on your vendetta against Phil so it is what it is.

But it wouldn't be comparable circumstances. KP blew Knicks away with his workout, Knox beat up Bridges in his workout to win the Knicks over. That same performance may have gotten him the nod, just like KP. Mikal didn't offer the same circumstances as Frank at all. Knicks wanted to see medical records on Smith which he refused. Monk didn't offer the length they were looking for. Which narrowed it down to Frank and Mitchell. My guess is that they felt Frank at worse case still had the size to be a rotational wing while Mitchell worst case would be an undersized SG. But that just my guess, I don't know what was said in the room when comparing the players for what got Frank the nod.

The principals of length and position less basketball all seem to apply to the lastest draft picks though.

It is hard not to be bitter about the approach Phil took doing his job. Smith jr. wanted no part of the dysfunction Phil had going on at the time. Falling asleep during workouts, skipping the ncaa tournament at msg to go to Shaq's statue unveiling in LA....., pushing the triangle on his coaches and players, drafting for the triangle etc. Not a lot to not be bitter about in my opinion.

But the thing is first you paint the narrative that Phil would pass on Smith due to not fitting his ideals and use that a dig to knock Phil and him being antiquated. But then after its brought up that its Smith that wouldn't disclose his medical records after Knicks tried to do more due diligence showing a ton of interest. You then switch it up to knock the triangle...

Doesn't matter to me you opinion of Phil Jackson. Your allowed to disapprove of the job he did. As he made a bunch of mistakes. But still have to look at things objectively.

You are one of the top posters on this site and lately everything seems to be a back handed dig at Phil Jackson even under a new regime that has completely moved on. If you feel the pieces in place are a good foundation and we are in a good position to move forward then all that other stuff no longer matters.

Phil's gone, Melo's gone. Fizz and Knox are now here to join KP & Frank. Its a new era.

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7/11/2018  5:25 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/11/2018  5:27 PM
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One essential part of his teenage skill set is that Knox is intellectually gifted.
He is a student of the game.

Knox has that intuitive thing to know what his team needs in the moment. When the Summer Knicks went on that crazy run to erase a 25 point deficit against the Summer Lakers, Knox not only set the tempo, he made the vital contributions with rebounds and and changed the flow of the game.

When he senses his team needs a burst of energy, he can dribble - drive and get to the free throw line. When he feels space, in a spot he is comfortable he can rise up and take a jump shot. There is little about his game that feels forced. Turnovers? Who cares? Turnovers in July are teachable moments. There is an intuitive thing going on with him that will make his running buddies better. He plays with his head up.

The best part?

He can be trusted to learn from his mistakes.

One more thing.
The dude is eighteen.

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7/11/2018  5:31 PM
So far so good Earl!!!

Been a long time and hope you're well!!

Hope...what's that again? :)

Forum Po Po and #33 for a reason...
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7/11/2018  5:38 PM
I wasn't super excited about the pick when it happened, but it seems like a really good one. He may form into a complete package. A developed Knox and a healthy KP would be a great foundation.
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7/11/2018  8:40 PM
knicks1248 wrote:And you don't hear nobody talking about his age as an excuse. When a player comes out the gate like he has, you know what kind of player you have.... A Super STAR.

If we get the right PG who can play to his pace, we'll be Golden


Frank trigger you again? LOL
But in all seriousness I agree with you about the part that when a player comes out the gate like he has etc...but Frank has had some really good games in the regular season as well.

I think all 4...KP, Frank, Knox, Robinson have the drive, but they all get there at different times. This draft class was a lot better than last year's draft class. There's so many good stories this summer league with the draftees, this was not the case last year.
So that does make a difference. You are not going to pick players at the same level of development at 8 and 9 in every draft.
The bigger question is, do they have the drive...To me, they all look like they have the fire.
I hope Knox rocks the regular season too!

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7/12/2018  7:26 AM    LAST EDITED: 7/12/2018  8:09 AM
Enjoy The Ride

PresIke wrote:So far so good Earl!!!

Been a long time and hope you're well!!

Hope...what's that again? :)

PresIke - feels like a long time, and in other ways it fells like last week we were talking about Isiah drafting David Lee at 30 in the first round.

Hope?

Hope is Trier being Lou Williams, or better.

Hope is Mitchell Robison busting his ass in the weight room, busting his brain in the film room and holding his head higher.

Hope is Kevin Knox in five years at the ripe old age of 23.

Keep hope alive.

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7/12/2018  4:45 PM
Hope is KP coming back fully healthy into a fun team.
Hope is Frank N driving and thriving on O and beasting on D
Hope is having a season where we are playing good without smoke and mirrors and no one wants to tank.Good to see you back Sr.Earl
misterearl wrote:Enjoy The Ride

PresIke wrote:So far so good Earl!!!

Been a long time and hope you're well!!

Hope...what's that again? :)

PresIke - feels like a long time, and in other ways it fells like last week we were talking about Isiah drafting David Lee at 30 in the first round.

Hope?

Hope is Trier being Lou Williams, or better.

Hope is Mitchell Robison busting his ass in the weight room, busting his brain in the film room and holding his head higher.

Hope is Kevin Knox in five years at the ripe old age of 23.

Keep hope alive.

Right from the beginning, this kid wanted to be a Knick. I'm crazy enough because I can relate: I asked to be a Knick. To ask for that you have to be a certain type of competitor.
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7/16/2018  8:08 AM
93BUICK wrote:Hope is KP coming back fully healthy into a fun team.
Hope is Frank N driving and thriving on O and beasting on D
Hope is having a season where we are playing good without smoke and mirrors and no one wants to tank.Good to see you back Sr.Earl
misterearl wrote:Enjoy The Ride

Keep hope alive.

A season with tankless threads. Amen.

Enjoy "the Shit."

Hope is a good thing. And nothing good ever dies, but it just may not make the playoffs.
Kevin Knox Is The Shit

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