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CrushAlot
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7/7/2018  1:35 AM
newyorknewyork wrote:
Uptown wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
Uptown wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
Vmart wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
blkexec wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
Chandler wrote:well that didn't take long

To think OKC had 3 MVP players on that team, and now???

man how fortunes have changed

Presti has been a very good gm for the most part. Taking on Melo's deal was a big mistake that good gms don't make. That contract, for that player, at that age, with a ntc and a trade kicker, is not something a good gm takes on.

If it bad for a GM to take on Melo's contract, what does that say about Phil who gave Melo that contract?

Phil was horrible as a gm. One of my biggest disappointments as a fan was what he did as the first executive in the Dolan era to have autonomy. The smartest guy in the room came out on the wrong end of things almost every time. He did get his extension. What does it say about a gm when his best coach out of 4 was Derek Fisher? That isn't even getting into all of the personnel mistakes.

You have KP and Nitkikina and you can even say Knox because of Phil. Dotson, Kornet had Willie. Phil gave so much to the Knicks. He gave them a damn base to spring upwards to build something positive.

He was the master of the accidental tank. He didn't trade the Knox pick which was the first he was allowed to trade. He tried to win the entire time he was in NY and gave out two of the worst current contracts in the league. He wasn't trying to accumulate lottery talent. He was trying to win. He majorly upped the dysfunction. The base he gave the team is because he wasn't good at what he was trying to do.

This post is spot on!!! LMAO @ phil gave us so much

To be fair, Knicks didn't have their 2015 or 2016 draft picks. To be critical, Phil should have done the moves that Nets did while owing their picks to Boston and collected assets by eating some short term contracts until that asset base was built back up. He didn't proved the creativity or innovation needed at that point in time. Committing to Melo and looking to win now with Melo ended up being his down fall.

And at the same time put to rest how the Triangle was the reason for Melo's declining game.

phil half-assed everything from his triangle to his half-ass commit to a youth movement to his half-ass commit to his own coaches....Phil's presence was supposed to lure in players, instead, it was the opposite. The triangle and his alienating personality scared off some prospects...

All true,

But doesn't alleviate Melo's part in the fiasco. Melo went to an organization with a way better gm than Phil. Way better supporting cast than he had in NY. No Triangle, & Phil has been retired for the year. Yet the end result is him being bought out due to disagreement with coach and management about his future role. As they feel this may lead to distraction and potentially cause a dysfunctional situation.

Bringing up the contract to me seems more like a deflection of the root issue at this stage. If Melo was willing to be a team player for a winning situation that he would have in OKC. And come off the bench, we would be saying Melo is overpaid but wouldn't really put much more thought into it other than that. But by talking about Phil giving him the contract over Melo screwing up a decent situation at the tail end of his career.

Melo is being bought out because it saves OKC 91 million dollars. All reports about his character were that he was a great teammate, loved in the locker room and got a long well with the coaching staff. His play has declined dramatically. He is not worth 28 mil and he is 34. Almost all guys that have played 15 years in the league are not worth 28 mil. Only one guy is worth that, a ntc, and a trade kicker. It isn't Melo and he never should have gotten that deal. The guy that gave him that deal was really bad at his job. The guy that traded for that deal made a huge mistake. Only an idiot wouldn't give up 91 mil to keep a 16 and 4 player.
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7/7/2018  4:05 AM    LAST EDITED: 7/7/2018  4:06 AM
TripleThreat wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
dwiley20 wrote:Kanter and Lee for Melo Works?

They need to drop salary, but if the alternative is just to stretch melo, I wonder if they’d consider :

Lee ($12mil)
Noah ($18.5)

for

Melo ($28mil)
Singler (2yrs at $5mil)
Abrines ($5.4mil).


They can then stretch Noah for less of an annual hit than melo, plus they get a starting sg as Roberson may struggle to recover from his injury. I think if melo still has a trade kicker that makes this legal?


Noah and Lee each have an extra year of contract next year. The aggregate repeater tax bill would INCREASE by over 100 million total (over the already near 100 million tax bill associated with Melo's contract this year) to do this trade for OKC. Melo's salary stretches for 3 seasons, Noah's would for FIVE. OKC could always trade Melo to a team with enough open cap space who would agree to buy out Melo for some assets. The problem then circles around the NTC.

The idea behind this is that they get a 3D SG (roberson won't be what he was) for no extra cap hit, plus they stretch Noah for a lower annual amount (so essentially if the only alternative was to stretch Melo, then they are getting roughly the same annual numbers but getting a free starting SG in the process). Yes it would be 2 yrs longer, but by then Adams contract is off the books as is Roberson and Lee's, so it doesn't necessarily mean a tax hit in those last 2 years. If no one else turns up to take Melo's contract, then I'd hope something like this would be considered.

For us it would be perfect- we lose Noah's awful contract, and Lee. We Buyout Melo and Abrines, and keep Singler as a vet. Although he has a $5mil salary next year it's less than Noah's stretched $7-8mil plus you can stretch that if you need the space (which would give you an extra $3mil per).

Plus Knicks can spin it as doing Melo a favor- the way things ended didn't sit right, allowing him to go to a championship team etc etc.

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7/7/2018  10:46 AM
CrushAlot wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
Uptown wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
Uptown wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
Vmart wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
blkexec wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
Chandler wrote:well that didn't take long

To think OKC had 3 MVP players on that team, and now???

man how fortunes have changed

Presti has been a very good gm for the most part. Taking on Melo's deal was a big mistake that good gms don't make. That contract, for that player, at that age, with a ntc and a trade kicker, is not something a good gm takes on.

If it bad for a GM to take on Melo's contract, what does that say about Phil who gave Melo that contract?

Phil was horrible as a gm. One of my biggest disappointments as a fan was what he did as the first executive in the Dolan era to have autonomy. The smartest guy in the room came out on the wrong end of things almost every time. He did get his extension. What does it say about a gm when his best coach out of 4 was Derek Fisher? That isn't even getting into all of the personnel mistakes.

You have KP and Nitkikina and you can even say Knox because of Phil. Dotson, Kornet had Willie. Phil gave so much to the Knicks. He gave them a damn base to spring upwards to build something positive.

He was the master of the accidental tank. He didn't trade the Knox pick which was the first he was allowed to trade. He tried to win the entire time he was in NY and gave out two of the worst current contracts in the league. He wasn't trying to accumulate lottery talent. He was trying to win. He majorly upped the dysfunction. The base he gave the team is because he wasn't good at what he was trying to do.

This post is spot on!!! LMAO @ phil gave us so much

To be fair, Knicks didn't have their 2015 or 2016 draft picks. To be critical, Phil should have done the moves that Nets did while owing their picks to Boston and collected assets by eating some short term contracts until that asset base was built back up. He didn't proved the creativity or innovation needed at that point in time. Committing to Melo and looking to win now with Melo ended up being his down fall.

And at the same time put to rest how the Triangle was the reason for Melo's declining game.

phil half-assed everything from his triangle to his half-ass commit to a youth movement to his half-ass commit to his own coaches....Phil's presence was supposed to lure in players, instead, it was the opposite. The triangle and his alienating personality scared off some prospects...

All true,

But doesn't alleviate Melo's part in the fiasco. Melo went to an organization with a way better gm than Phil. Way better supporting cast than he had in NY. No Triangle, & Phil has been retired for the year. Yet the end result is him being bought out due to disagreement with coach and management about his future role. As they feel this may lead to distraction and potentially cause a dysfunctional situation.

Bringing up the contract to me seems more like a deflection of the root issue at this stage. If Melo was willing to be a team player for a winning situation that he would have in OKC. And come off the bench, we would be saying Melo is overpaid but wouldn't really put much more thought into it other than that. But by talking about Phil giving him the contract over Melo screwing up a decent situation at the tail end of his career.

Melo is being bought out because it saves OKC 91 million dollars. All reports about his character were that he was a great teammate, loved in the locker room and got a long well with the coaching staff. His play has declined dramatically. He is not worth 28 mil and he is 34. Almost all guys that have played 15 years in the league are not worth 28 mil. Only one guy is worth that, a ntc, and a trade kicker. It isn't Melo and he never should have gotten that deal. The guy that gave him that deal was really bad at his job. The guy that traded for that deal made a huge mistake. Only an idiot wouldn't give up 91 mil to keep a 16 and 4 player.

OKC just added 13 mil in payroll this off season from Felton, J.Grant, & Noel. They also have guys like Singler & Abrines that they could probably each package with a 2nd rounder to save money since they only make around 5mil each. Melo is getting bought out because he never adapted his game making his decline rapid(guess it wasn't the Triangle that was making him easy to guard)*And he refuses to come off the bench*. Not because he is a Dwight Howard level locker room cancer. But because on the court he isn't willing to make the necessary sacrifices for the team. If he were willing to come off the bench then he wouldn't be getting bought out as he only has one year left. Now they have to have dead money for 2-3 years.

Melo got his deal at the age of 30. Which usually is considered toward the tail end of a players prime after he had a season where he dropped 28-7-3. While I agree it was a bad deal to offer. Its mostly a bad deal to offer due to Melo's selfishness then the expectations that he would decline to the point where he is getting clowned that Kyle Korver is better than him by the age of 34. Chris Paul just got a 4 yr deal at the age of 33 and will make 44 mil by the age of 36.

Whats also telling is the fact that Westbrook and George are not demanding that the FO keep him. We will see if Westbrook and George stick up for their beloved teammate.

Melo will part ways

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