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CrushAlot
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7/6/2018  9:03 PM
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7/6/2018  9:08 PM
CrushAlot wrote:

the end is near

Nixluva is posting triangle screen grabs, even when nobody asks - Fishmike. LOL So are we going to reference that thread like the bible now? "The thread of Wroten Page 14 post 9" - EnySpree
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7/6/2018  10:08 PM
Cartman718 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:

the end is near

Very near...

EnySpree: Can we agree to agree not to mention Phil Jackson and triangle for the rest of our lives?
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7/7/2018  11:28 AM
Chris Paul will be making 40 million fckng dollars at the age of 37, which will be the last yr of his deal.

Pretty soon you're going to see a 4 yr 200 mill contract

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7/7/2018  12:52 PM
knicks1248 wrote:Chris Paul will be making 40 million fckng dollars at the age of 37, which will be the last yr of his deal.

Pretty soon you're going to see a 4 yr 200 mill contract


nfl and college football players have got to be crying
Nixluva is posting triangle screen grabs, even when nobody asks - Fishmike. LOL So are we going to reference that thread like the bible now? "The thread of Wroten Page 14 post 9" - EnySpree
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7/7/2018  11:04 PM
meloshouldgo wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
Cartman718 wrote:

"I've been a Lakers fan since before Kobe Bryant, since Magic Johnson. Was I alive? Don't worry about that!"

And the bit where the Warriors sign Boogie

finally saw this, freaking hilarious

"Real G's move in silence... like lasagna."
Bahahahaha

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7/9/2018  6:13 PM
Wow. Rockets lost Mbah A Moute. I don't think MCW and possibly Melo give them the same boost that Ariza and Mbah A Moute did. Rockets definitely have taken a step back in my opinion.
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7/9/2018  6:15 PM
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7/9/2018  11:01 PM
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Will be very interesting to see how MDA works him into the offense, you figure that Paul will help work things out for his friend, but we all know there is no way Melo can replace the defenders they just lost.

Unless he remakes his body, he's going to slow that team down on both ends of the court.

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7/10/2018  4:30 PM
Miami’s payroll is crazy considering they’re mediocre. Back in the lebron days the owner got rid off miller to reduce the luxury tax hit, but now he’s fine at paying a fortune?
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7/10/2018  5:50 PM
smackeddog wrote:Miami’s payroll is crazy considering they’re mediocre. Back in the lebron days the owner got rid off miller to reduce the luxury tax hit, but now he’s fine at paying a fortune?

Winning will draw in star players. But forgot that actual cap space is needed to sign and pay the star players.

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7/13/2018  2:26 AM
smackeddog wrote:Miami’s payroll is crazy considering they’re mediocre. Back in the lebron days the owner got rid off miller to reduce the luxury tax hit, but now he’s fine at paying a fortune?


There's been a fair bit of controversy regarding Mickey Arison and AA Arena.

There's the winning side of the game and then the marketing side of the game. Informally and politically, he can't tank. He is not in a position to put out a team that is going to get completely run over. The other issue is you put a tanking roster out there, and by God Erik Spolestra might make them the 8th seed anyway. I don't think you could gut a roster enough to create a full on tank with Spolestra running a team.

Not everyone wants to win a championship. Some teams are content to just coast and get to the playoffs each year, sell tickets, offer a fun product for fans and call it a day. It's hard to see for Knicks fan because all NY teams are cash rich. If we were all Hawks fans, this would all be different.

Knicks can just outright tank and still sell out MSG.

The Hawks can run out a playoff team and still struggle to fill seats. It's even worse when they suck.

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7/13/2018  6:35 AM    LAST EDITED: 7/13/2018  7:19 AM
Meanwhile in Brooklyn Sean Marks has opened up enough cap room for 2 max FA's. If they weren't so far behind in asset collection I would be way more nervous. I hope he goes spends his space on 2nd or 3rd tier max players. I don't want them to tank for a couple seasons and go into the AD, Giannis FA year with cap space
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7/13/2018  9:55 AM
Jmpasq wrote:Meanwhile in Brooklyn Sean Marks has opened up enough cap room for 2 max FA's. If they weren't so far behind in asset collection I would be way more nervous. I hope he goes spends his space on 2nd or 3rd tier max players. I don't want them to tank for a couple seasons and go into the AD, Giannis FA year with cap space
Arthur is supposed to be a great locker room guy and a great guy to have around young players. Faried was well liked as well. Moving Lin without taking money back was impressive. Marks knows what he is doing. This would be harder to watch if the Knicks were not being well run now.
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7/13/2018  11:11 AM
The Nets have agreed to trade Lin to the Atlanta Hawks in the first deal, according to the people, who requested anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the move publicly.

In the second deal, according to the people, Denver has agreed to send a 2019 first-round pick to the Nets that is lottery-protected from 1-to-12 as the reward for Brooklyn’s willingness to acquire the veteran forwards Kenneth Faried and Darrell Arthur from the Nuggets.

The full trade for Lin, according to the people, calls for Atlanta to send the Nets its 2020 second-round pick and the rights to 2016 draftee Isaia Cordinier, who is not expected to leave his native France to play for Brooklyn. In addition to Lin, Atlanta will receive the Nets’ 2025 second-round pick and have the right to swap 2023 second-round picks with Brooklyn.


Via NY times....

Because we resigned Melo and tried to transition with Noah and Rose, we could not do what nets are doing. They had a huge hole to crawl out of with so many picks traded.
I admire the patience they are excercising and using a long approach since Marks came aboard. If they overpay for emerging talent they could really accelerate the process if it pans out. We are doing this with Hardaway. I know season one leaves some disappointed but fact is Timmy might still be a very good player.
Nets are obtaining assets and have room to take salaries for picks. Good for them.

Knicks1248: 1. Dolan should be more involved! 2. Why would any knick fan want pick 8, when that spot has a history of producing marginal NBA taken. (He prefers pick 9th instead)
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7/13/2018  11:54 AM
Nalod wrote:
The Nets have agreed to trade Lin to the Atlanta Hawks in the first deal, according to the people, who requested anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the move publicly.

In the second deal, according to the people, Denver has agreed to send a 2019 first-round pick to the Nets that is lottery-protected from 1-to-12 as the reward for Brooklyn’s willingness to acquire the veteran forwards Kenneth Faried and Darrell Arthur from the Nuggets.

The full trade for Lin, according to the people, calls for Atlanta to send the Nets its 2020 second-round pick and the rights to 2016 draftee Isaia Cordinier, who is not expected to leave his native France to play for Brooklyn. In addition to Lin, Atlanta will receive the Nets’ 2025 second-round pick and have the right to swap 2023 second-round picks with Brooklyn.


Via NY times....

Because we resigned Melo and tried to transition with Noah and Rose, we could not do what nets are doing. They had a huge hole to crawl out of with so many picks traded.
I admire the patience they are excercising and using a long approach since Marks came aboard. If they overpay for emerging talent they could really accelerate the process if it pans out. We are doing this with Hardaway. I know season one leaves some disappointed but fact is Timmy might still be a very good player.
Nets are obtaining assets and have room to take salaries for picks. Good for them.

I believe they are very much a threat to land Kyrie if they can sell another player to team up. They may also look to package Russell and Jefferson.

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7/13/2018  6:20 PM
Nalod wrote: If they overpay for emerging talent they could really accelerate the process if it pans out. We are doing this with Hardaway. I know season one leaves some disappointed but fact is Timmy might still be a very good player.

THJR had half of a good season, on a team gutted by Free Agency attrition and injuries. On a team well designed to hide his worst flaws. Where he could operate with volume.

Against the rest of his career, he was a gross overpay and an irresponsible signing. He was a free agent in the most cash rich environment in the entire history of the sport. And he was sitting there. The Knicks BAILED HIM OUT. No other team was gonna give him that kind of deal.

If you are trying to spin some hope for Hardaway Jr, then I understand that on a fan level.

If you are trying to convince anyone it was a good market based decision, then that's pretty much insane.

On an aside, some quiet rumors are Lin might be bought out at some point and go the Warriors. Or sign with them next season. He has deep Bay Area roots, he's been there before, he has a good rapport with Curry and the franchise, he's insanely marketable and he's a good team mate/locker room guy. Lots of people in the sport and the league would be happy for him to get a ring.

Lin should have never played for anyone else once he was a Knick. Dolan is an idiot. But I guess it appeased Captain Stupid Hat so there's that.

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7/13/2018  7:50 PM
Ideally - Hardaway Jr will either improve his defense and consistency or end up as our 6th man/gunner off the bench. While we overpaid for sure, we're still in a decent salary cap position as long we don't back any more salaries in the near future. I realize many on this board want us to go after Kyrie or Durant, but I'm not sure we wouldn't be better off allowing our young players to develop and continue to add talent/picks, etc... Paying the max for Kyrie vs using that money to resign our own guys while still retaining some flexibility going forward seems wiser to me. Like a bank account - once you deplete your funds you will be stuck down the road (when possibly a 2 way player worth the max becomes available). I'd prefer to focus this season on the following:
A) KP healing and hopefully regaining his form
B) Finding a decent PG between Burke, Frank and Mudiay
C) Allowing Robinson and Knox to develop
D) Giving Super Mario a chance to blossom into an NBA player

I think it's very possible at the end of this season we have 7 core players (KP, Frank, Robinson, Knox, Mario, Hardaway Jr and Burke). I'd consider a healthy Kawhi (if he wanted to play here), but I'd pass on Kyrie for the max. Klay (at the max) would also be a tough call because he's a great team player but will be 30 next offseason. Durant as great as he is - will be 31 next offseason. Do we really want to offer a max 4-5 year contract for anybody 30 or over? Lebron seems to be the only one drinking from the fountain of youth these days... Any while I was not for drafting Knox - he seems offensively talented and maybe becomes our Durant-lite player in a couple of seasons.

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7/14/2018  12:20 AM
jskinny35 wrote:Do we really want to offer a max 4-5 year contract for anybody 30 or over?

In resource management terms, it's called a "Front Half/Back Half" contract. The best examples are in MLB, Albert Pujols and Miggy Cabrera signed fat deals that statistically would look ugly at the back half. The idea is that the production value from the front half would compensate for that predicted decline.

Let's say Durant wants to be a Knick ( why I don't know) You sign him to the max possible and if he gives you 2 and a half good years, then he suffers injuries for the next year and a half, then OK. The shot in the arm for two seasons to many would be worth the decline phase, if any.

If Durant or Thompson or Leonard want to be here for max dollars just for cap space, then you sign them.

Irving is a bit of a different story because a willingness to sign here is actually more plausible than the above list ( though not likely) and would indicate something was wrong with him long term. In the end though, odds are, you also give him the max.

What you don't want to do is sign someone like AK47/Kirelenko of the Jazz to the max. A situation as such.

The other issue is no active GM could talk their owner out of it. If Leonard, Durant or Thompson wanted to go to their team for the max as a free agent, just for cap space, no GM could rationalize to any owner why it's a bad idea and keep his job. Even Daryl Morey could not keep Chris Paul from a team killing extension. He could have killed it by going to the press, but it would have cost him his job.

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