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With the ninth pick, the NY Knicks select Kevin Knox
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6/23/2018  1:33 PM
WaltLongmire wrote:A lot of movement by Knox without the ball in this game, and some fluid shooting.

Big thing is this (off ball movement) was all new learning/development for him.

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6/23/2018  1:36 PM
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codeunknown wrote:Knox is a very disappointing pick. With Lonnie Walker and Mikal Bridges on the board, there were definitely better risk-reward picks available. Age is an important variable and Knox is young, but his baseline shooting mechanics, on-ball control, and defensive instincts are all underwhelming. I’ll root hard for him, but the on-court data was unsatisfactory enough that it’s hard to imagine that personal attributes trump that data. Basically, it’s a long shot that he will be an efficient player. Usually one can get on board with picks you don’t like, as part of differences in risk aversion in a greater overall plan. I have a hard time getting on board with this pick. So much so, that I begin to question the intelligence and tools used in this evaluation by the front office.

Respectfully disagree,Lonnie fell all the way to the spurs because he is very out of control with the ball and is extremely turn over prone with his lack of ball control, tries to force passes when he over dribbles also has a low motor and questionable shot selection. High Ceiling poor mans JR Smith, more realistic comparison and ceiling Iman Shump.

Mikal is your classic 3 and D player, but he doesn’t come without issues there is a reason he was traded for the 16 th pick Z Smith. He needs to work on his ball handling, Bridges struggles to put the ball on the floor with defenders on him and has the tendency to telegraph his passes probably due to his lack of ball handling skills. When defenders are on Bridges the ball has the tendency to stop moving as he won’t put the ball on the floor. In the right system he could flourish as a spot up shooter on offense but we are talking about a role player at best, definitely not a star in the nba.

Now Knox and is the better overall prospect to both of the prospects you mentioned because of his star potential. At 18 years of age his weaknesses are typically of his age, short motor, defensive liability “sometimes” but has the physical tools to be a lockdown defender, Questionable decision making, needs to work on consistency,tends to settle for pull ups, losses his defenders in zone defensive schemes, lacks body control.

Positives at 18 he’s just scratched the surface of his potential. He’s shown the ability to take over games on both ends of the floor, great off the ball movement, has a great shooting form and touch. One of the best in the draft at creating his own shot and putting the ball on the floor, gets to the free throw line with ease, knows how to create contact and to get calls, Great in transition, deadly mid range game. Knows how to use his wingspan to shoot over defenders, can post up.

Knox is one of the most versatile prospects in the draft has the tools to become a superstar in this league.

I give the Knicks a A+++ for drafting this Kid who has a unknown Ceiling could be PG13 2.0

I think our approaches are fundamentally different with respect to draft evaluation, although the endpoint is the same. From what I gather, where we are similar is that you weight upside and potential in a vague sense over risk, at least at where we picked. Where we are different is probably in defining star potential, prioritization of attributes and appraisal of those attributes themselves. As an example, if Mikal develops into one of the best 3 and D players, that is a star and a championship level starter to me.

You shower Knox with a lot of superlatives, most of which have no basis in reality. One of the best at creating his own shot is completely false - he is good at cutting but needs screen/roll to score on average volume and slightly above average efficiency. His 1-1 skills to date are average at best and hard to evaluate because the sample size of attempts is tiny. In fact, it is Lonnie Walker at 98%ile in isolation scoring. Knox has inconsistent shooting mechanics off the dribble, variable shot elevation, occasional wide off-balance foot spacing, an average release point and time, and the ball doesn't come off clean with his left hand slipping occasionally. His ball handling is not nearly good enough to be effective in the NBA - and when he doesn't dribble the ball of his foot and average 2.3 turnovers to 1.4 assists, he has poor stride control, too upright of a stance, poor shiftiness on the move and poor awareness of help defensive digs on his drives. The dramatic ball handling improvement claimed by Fizdale remains to be seen.

I'm not sure the grade matters - I'd give them a C and I'm disappointed. Fortunately, there is enough uncertainty with all of these projections, that any one player can boom or bust, and I hope we get lucky this time.

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6/23/2018  2:04 PM
It’s all about projectibility - Knox has the base skills at 18 to become an OUTSTANDING offensive player.
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6/23/2018  2:13 PM
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fitzfarm wrote:
codeunknown wrote:Knox is a very disappointing pick. With Lonnie Walker and Mikal Bridges on the board, there were definitely better risk-reward picks available. Age is an important variable and Knox is young, but his baseline shooting mechanics, on-ball control, and defensive instincts are all underwhelming. I’ll root hard for him, but the on-court data was unsatisfactory enough that it’s hard to imagine that personal attributes trump that data. Basically, it’s a long shot that he will be an efficient player. Usually one can get on board with picks you don’t like, as part of differences in risk aversion in a greater overall plan. I have a hard time getting on board with this pick. So much so, that I begin to question the intelligence and tools used in this evaluation by the front office.

Respectfully disagree,Lonnie fell all the way to the spurs because he is very out of control with the ball and is extremely turn over prone with his lack of ball control, tries to force passes when he over dribbles also has a low motor and questionable shot selection. High Ceiling poor mans JR Smith, more realistic comparison and ceiling Iman Shump.

Mikal is your classic 3 and D player, but he doesn’t come without issues there is a reason he was traded for the 16 th pick Z Smith. He needs to work on his ball handling, Bridges struggles to put the ball on the floor with defenders on him and has the tendency to telegraph his passes probably due to his lack of ball handling skills. When defenders are on Bridges the ball has the tendency to stop moving as he won’t put the ball on the floor. In the right system he could flourish as a spot up shooter on offense but we are talking about a role player at best, definitely not a star in the nba.

Now Knox and is the better overall prospect to both of the prospects you mentioned because of his star potential. At 18 years of age his weaknesses are typically of his age, short motor, defensive liability “sometimes” but has the physical tools to be a lockdown defender, Questionable decision making, needs to work on consistency,tends to settle for pull ups, losses his defenders in zone defensive schemes, lacks body control.

Positives at 18 he’s just scratched the surface of his potential. He’s shown the ability to take over games on both ends of the floor, great off the ball movement, has a great shooting form and touch. One of the best in the draft at creating his own shot and putting the ball on the floor, gets to the free throw line with ease, knows how to create contact and to get calls, Great in transition, deadly mid range game. Knows how to use his wingspan to shoot over defenders, can post up.

Knox is one of the most versatile prospects in the draft has the tools to become a superstar in this league.

I give the Knicks a A+++ for drafting this Kid who has a unknown Ceiling could be PG13 2.0

I think our approaches are fundamentally different with respect to draft evaluation, although the endpoint is the same. From what I gather, where we are similar is that you weight upside and potential in a vague sense over risk, at least at where we picked. Where we are different is probably in defining star potential, prioritization of attributes and appraisal of those attributes themselves. As an example, if Mikal develops into one of the best 3 and D players, that is a star and a championship level starter to me.

You shower Knox with a lot of superlatives, most of which have no basis in reality. One of the best at creating his own shot is completely false - he is good at cutting but needs screen/roll to score on average volume and slightly above average efficiency. His 1-1 skills to date are average at best and hard to evaluate because the sample size of attempts is tiny. In fact, it is Lonnie Walker at 98%ile in isolation scoring. Knox has inconsistent shooting mechanics off the dribble, variable shot elevation, occasional wide off-balance foot spacing, an average release point and time, and the ball doesn't come off clean with his left hand slipping occasionally. His ball handling is not nearly good enough to be effective in the NBA - and when he doesn't dribble the ball of his foot and average 2.3 turnovers to 1.4 assists, he has poor stride control, too upright of a stance, poor shiftiness on the move and poor awareness of help defensive digs on his drives. The dramatic ball handling improvement claimed by Fizdale remains to be seen.

I'm not sure the grade matters - I'd give them a C and I'm disappointed. Fortunately, there is enough uncertainty with all of these projections, that any one player can boom or bust, and I hope we get lucky this time.

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6/23/2018  3:25 PM
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newyorknewyork wrote:All I want from Knox is good man-man/switch defense and the ability to stroke it from deep. Everything else would be gravy if he can bring those 3 things.


He is inconsistent on defense. I don't think he'll be a good shooter at the NBA level. His decision making is suspect. His situational awareness also raises concerns. He can't consistently create his own shot at the NBA level and nothing he's done before indicates that he will. More critically, there are some fundamental issues with him. Not a fan of his footwork. If there is one thing that is consistent about NBA Draft History in terms of players who surprised and panned out, it's their fundamentals. Core basic skill sets that form the foundation for other things to build upon. Knox has some issues with his shooting mechanics. It's one thing if he carried the same problem game after game, but there are times he's just all over the place.

He has a very high athletic ceiling, no doubt.

I think Mikal Bridges and Shai Gilgeous-Alexander were both more fundamental and have better BBIQ. The mechanics and fundamentals on Bridges is very good. They both have inate situational awareness. SGA is impressive as he gives defenders different looks all the time when he has the ball in his hands. He has some "Goran Dragic Magic" to his game. Both read the floor really well.

Bill Belichick and Billy Beane both share some convictions about player personnel - I.E. focus on what a player CAN DO RIGHT NOW instead of siting on a player hoping WHAT HE MIGHT DO if 8-10-15 things change/go right in your favor.

SGA would have been a measured risk. There is some upside and some downside, but you can see the practical floor.

Knox just comes off as a risk period. He's a player that will need to be carried by his offense, but nothing outside of his athleticism and things attributed to his raw athleticism, show he can actually create his own shot consistently at the NBA level. I get taking a player because he's good at "One Thing" but Good God, make sure he's actually good and has some kind of track record towards that "One Thing"

As a fan of the game, I think Knox was a questionable selection.

As a diehad Knicks fan, well he's here, let's just hope for the best.

Question: Would you have said the same things about Mikal after his freshman year at Villanova or after the year he was red-shirted (at 18)? Or did Mikal develop those things over the past 2-3 years?

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6/23/2018  3:48 PM
codeunknown wrote:Knox is a very disappointing pick. With Lonnie Walker and Mikal Bridges on the board, there were definitely better risk-reward picks available. Age is an important variable and Knox is young, but his baseline shooting mechanics, on-ball control, and defensive instincts are all underwhelming. I’ll root hard for him, but the on-court data was unsatisfactory enough that it’s hard to imagine that personal attributes trump that data. Basically, it’s a long shot that he will be an efficient player. Usually one can get on board with picks you don’t like, as part of differences in risk aversion in a greater overall plan. I have a hard time getting on board with this pick. So much so, that I begin to question the intelligence and tools used in this evaluation by the front office.

I was a Mikal fan....still a Mikal fan. But I'm starting to understand why knox may have been the pick over Mikal. Look at his 3 yr college stats and his 1st years...he averaged 6 or 8 pts....He popped his 3rd yr. I believe he played 20 mins his freshmen year, which could be why his stats are low.

http://insider.espn.com/nbadraft/results/players/stats/_/id/80360

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6/23/2018  4:11 PM

When I watch his highlights and workouts I see the ceiling of a Kevin Durant. His game obviously is not as refined as Durant’s was as a freshman, but you kind of see similar tools. Knox is wider framed at the same age.

Of note, Durant only averaged 1.3apg vs 2.8TO’s, and look at how good a passer/assist guy he has become.

I’m not saying he’ll get there, but let’s give this guy a chance.

As a rookie I think he can be a double digit scorer.

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6/23/2018  4:41 PM
One thing he did vs Missouri was move without the ball. I like to see wings doing that. He's a decent shooter not a great one, but he's better as a finisher because of his size and athletecism. I think he needs some work before he becomes a double digit scorer.
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6/23/2018  5:26 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/23/2018  5:27 PM
martin wrote:
TripleThreat wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:All I want from Knox is good man-man/switch defense and the ability to stroke it from deep. Everything else would be gravy if he can bring those 3 things.


He is inconsistent on defense. I don't think he'll be a good shooter at the NBA level. His decision making is suspect. His situational awareness also raises concerns. He can't consistently create his own shot at the NBA level and nothing he's done before indicates that he will. More critically, there are some fundamental issues with him. Not a fan of his footwork. If there is one thing that is consistent about NBA Draft History in terms of players who surprised and panned out, it's their fundamentals. Core basic skill sets that form the foundation for other things to build upon. Knox has some issues with his shooting mechanics. It's one thing if he carried the same problem game after game, but there are times he's just all over the place.

He has a very high athletic ceiling, no doubt.

I think Mikal Bridges and Shai Gilgeous-Alexander were both more fundamental and have better BBIQ. The mechanics and fundamentals on Bridges is very good. They both have inate situational awareness. SGA is impressive as he gives defenders different looks all the time when he has the ball in his hands. He has some "Goran Dragic Magic" to his game. Both read the floor really well.

Bill Belichick and Billy Beane both share some convictions about player personnel - I.E. focus on what a player CAN DO RIGHT NOW instead of siting on a player hoping WHAT HE MIGHT DO if 8-10-15 things change/go right in your favor.

SGA would have been a measured risk. There is some upside and some downside, but you can see the practical floor.

Knox just comes off as a risk period. He's a player that will need to be carried by his offense, but nothing outside of his athleticism and things attributed to his raw athleticism, show he can actually create his own shot consistently at the NBA level. I get taking a player because he's good at "One Thing" but Good God, make sure he's actually good and has some kind of track record towards that "One Thing"

As a fan of the game, I think Knox was a questionable selection.

As a diehad Knicks fan, well he's here, let's just hope for the best.

Question: Would you have said the same things about Mikal after his freshman year at Villanova or after the year he was red-shirted (at 18)? Or did Mikal develop those things over the past 2-3 years?


Excellent point Martin. Knox as a freshman is far superior to what Mikal was his 1st year. Knox with2 years development will probably be far superior to what Mikal B is right now.
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6/23/2018  6:34 PM
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When I watch his highlights and workouts I see the ceiling of a Kevin Durant. His game obviously is not as refined as Durant’s was as a freshman, but you kind of see similar tools. Knox is wider framed at the same age.

Of note, Durant only averaged 1.3apg vs 2.8TO’s, and look at how good a passer/assist guy he has become.

I’m not saying he’ll get there, but let’s give this guy a chance.

As a rookie I think he can be a double digit scorer.

Overall, a very impressive work out. His jumper is money. He has a pure stroke and has a ton of range on his shot...You can also tell that his handle either improved or he did't utilize it much at Kentucky...Either way, he certainly looks like he can get to the bucket off the bounce with out much of a problem. Knox already has a nice floater in the lane as well....Dude is going to get buckets in the NBA....At the 5:30 mark, the NBADraft Trainer talks about the workout and is very impressed by Knox.

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Uptown wrote:
technomaster wrote:

When I watch his highlights and workouts I see the ceiling of a Kevin Durant. His game obviously is not as refined as Durant’s was as a freshman, but you kind of see similar tools. Knox is wider framed at the same age.

Of note, Durant only averaged 1.3apg vs 2.8TO’s, and look at how good a passer/assist guy he has become.

I’m not saying he’ll get there, but let’s give this guy a chance.

As a rookie I think he can be a double digit scorer.

Overall, a very impressive work out. His jumper is money. He has a pure stroke and has a ton of range on his shot...You can also tell that his handle either improved or he did't utilize it much at Kentucky...Either way, he certainly looks like he can get to the bucket off the bounce with out much of a problem. Knox already has a nice floater in the lane as well....Dude is going to get buckets in the NBA....At the 5:30 mark, the NBADraft Trainer talks about the workout and is very impressed by Knox.

Perry said it....It's not about just who will impact, but who fits our team. To me Mikal Bridges will have trouble with bigger SFs.....I believe Knox can guard both SF and PF. If the SF is too fast, we have THj and Lee. Lots of flexibility with this team.

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codeunknown wrote:Knox is a very disappointing pick. With Lonnie Walker and Mikal Bridges on the board, there were definitely better risk-reward picks available. Age is an important variable and Knox is young, but his baseline shooting mechanics, on-ball control, and defensive instincts are all underwhelming. I’ll root hard for him, but the on-court data was unsatisfactory enough that it’s hard to imagine that personal attributes trump that data. Basically, it’s a long shot that he will be an efficient player. Usually one can get on board with picks you don’t like, as part of differences in risk aversion in a greater overall plan. I have a hard time getting on board with this pick. So much so, that I begin to question the intelligence and tools used in this evaluation by the front office.

I was a Mikal fan....still a Mikal fan. But I'm starting to understand why knox may have been the pick over Mikal. Look at his 3 yr college stats and his 1st years...he averaged 6 or 8 pts....He popped his 3rd yr. I believe he played 20 mins his freshmen year, which could be why his stats are low.

http://insider.espn.com/nbadraft/results/players/stats/_/id/80360

Its of course an advantage for Knox that he's young and was decently productive in his KU year. But assigning a probability to "popping" in any given year may be harder than projecting the player overall. And there is no given that a player progresses at all in the NBA in a meaningful way because the reference talent pool improves as well.

Knox has been compared to Tatum by the management but there are important differences. Knox is bigger, Tatum's offensive coordination and jump shot release were better at the same age, Tatum defends better on the perimeter at the same age.

Knox is our guy and I think he has a few avenues. The most important key is strength for him. While his handle and shooting will improve - I think he will need to bump guys to create space effectively. He'll never be as smooth as Durant or as athletic as Giannis but there is a hybrid area where he has a chance to be successful.

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blkexec wrote:
codeunknown wrote:Knox is a very disappointing pick. With Lonnie Walker and Mikal Bridges on the board, there were definitely better risk-reward picks available. Age is an important variable and Knox is young, but his baseline shooting mechanics, on-ball control, and defensive instincts are all underwhelming. I’ll root hard for him, but the on-court data was unsatisfactory enough that it’s hard to imagine that personal attributes trump that data. Basically, it’s a long shot that he will be an efficient player. Usually one can get on board with picks you don’t like, as part of differences in risk aversion in a greater overall plan. I have a hard time getting on board with this pick. So much so, that I begin to question the intelligence and tools used in this evaluation by the front office.

I was a Mikal fan....still a Mikal fan. But I'm starting to understand why knox may have been the pick over Mikal. Look at his 3 yr college stats and his 1st years...he averaged 6 or 8 pts....He popped his 3rd yr. I believe he played 20 mins his freshmen year, which could be why his stats are low.

http://insider.espn.com/nbadraft/results/players/stats/_/id/80360

Its of course an advantage for Knox that he's young and was decently productive in his KU year. But assigning a probability to "popping" in any given year may be harder than projecting the player overall. And there is no given that a player progresses at all in the NBA in a meaningful way because the reference talent pool improves as well.

Knox has been compared to Tatum by the management but there are important differences. Knox is bigger, Tatum's offensive coordination and jump shot release were better at the same age, Tatum defends better on the perimeter at the same age.

Knox is our guy and I think he has a few avenues. The most important key is strength for him. While his handle and shooting will improve - I think he will need to bump guys to create space effectively. He'll never be as smooth as Durant or as athletic as Giannis but there is a hybrid area where he has a chance to be successful.

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Oversimplifying a bit, I think in recent years we’ve
seen players like Kidd-Gilcrist and Justise Winslow, and going back a little, Corey Brewer. These guys went in the lottery with profiles not that different from Bridges, and ultimately are these guys better/more productive than Lance Thomas? Players like that come cheap in free agency since they don’t stand out.


The Knicks had Bridges and Knox workout with each other.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2018/06/19/kevin-knoxs-draft-stock-rises-with-knicks-76ers-intrigued/amp/

In Knox’s first comments about the Knicks, he confirmed he got loads of positive feedback from the coaches after going against lottery candidate, Miles Bridges, and others at the team’s practice facility. One source familiar with the workout said the 6-foot-9 Knox “kicked [Bridges] around.’’

So my thinking here:
* while Knox is a bigger, more athletic player, Bridges would need to handle guys like this on a nightly basis - and judging by the outcome, would need system help to contain him.
* likewise, Knox outplayed a guy many consider a defensive beast, and likely contained him on he defensive end of the floor.
* the scouts came away thinking that Knox was the better player in the workout and saw his potential as a 2-way player.

The hope is that his b-ball IQ improves over time and he puts in the work to maximize his physical attributes.

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6/24/2018  2:31 PM
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Mike1989 wrote:I'll be honest Knox wouldn't have been my pick at 9, but the talent and upside is there if he puts everything together. Factor in Robinson and if he puts it together we might have completed our front court with our 2018 picks. Then again there's a lot to bust potential in these two as well. So while I can appreciate why we went for the upside guys, I might have gone a different way had I been picking.

I was hoping for a SF and PF/C out of this draft. This is exactly what I was hoping for. Maximum potential even if it’s a little risky. They swung for the fences but in a calculated manner.

In another post you said we executed our vision. Do you believe we drafted high IQ, two way players in these two? If not what fence were we swinging for? When the prototypical player we should have drafted was sitting for us, we went for an isolation player with questionable defense, and low court vision, so explain what exactly is the upside here? He can aspire to be a Melo type chucker? Just to be clear, I consider that downside, not upside.

This is where you either trust the FO or you dont. They are working with more info than we are. We have game footage and highlight tapes and agenda driven tweets and articles. However the FO has interviewed the players and more importantly set them through workouts.

Knox doesnt strike me as young guy who's BB IQ jumps out. He's a prospect in every sense of the word. He's shown he can do it all but like any young prospect is can the talent turn into a consistent player?

I like that the FO chose the guy they wanted.

I think his floor is what we got from Beas last year. A good scorer, will have some big games rebounding or doing other athletic things but most a bucket maker. His ceiling is all star forward. In that regard its a good gamble. I liked Mikal also. I think our FO went into this with a list of checks and Knox hit the most boxes, its that simple. No agenda or agent BS... just take the guy they had as the BPA. Coach loves him. He's 18. Look like he could be another nice block

I don't think Knox is bad, I just think Mikal was a better fit for our stated vision of high IQ, two way player. If Knox checked more checkboxes then I have to believe defense wasn't on the list. And if that's the route they are going I have a problem with their stated vision not being in synch with their execution.

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6/24/2018  2:43 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/24/2018  2:44 PM
In my opinion....I believe they feel Knox has more upside on offense as a complete offensive player that fits in any system. On defense....knox currently has more upside to guard PFs than Mikal who weighs 198 lbs. Mikal is similar to Lee....just a few inches taller. Mikal size wise will never be able to play full time PF. Knox will....Mikal will get pushed around by larger SFs...Knox was a football player first so he's built with a solid frame that absorbed body contact. Knox simply has more overall potential than mikal. This is coming from a Mikal fan. It took a while but I see their thinking.
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blkexec wrote:In my opinion....I believe they feel Knox has more upside on offense as a complete offensive player that fits in any system. On defense....knox currently has more upside to guard PFs than Mikal who weighs 198 lbs. Mikal is similar to Lee....just a few inches taller. Mikal size wise will never be able to play full time PF. Knox will....Mikal will get pushed around by larger SFs...Knox was a football player first so he's built with a solid frame that absorbed body contact. Knox simply has more overall potential than mikal. This is coming from a Mikal fan. It took a while but I see their thinking.

For example....If Mikal was matched up with Miles during predraft workouts....I doubt Mikal would have out shined Miles 1 on 1 like Knox. They figured Mikal is older and only a system player. Knox is 2 or 3 yrs younger and already possess a nice off ball and iso game that Mikal doesn't have. And if fiz is confident that Knox can be a 2 way player....since he's shown to work hard on his weaknesses. Knox has the slight edge. He's on a mission to be the best. Those are superstar qualities u want in a rookie. let alone he's 2 inches taller and bigger than mikal. It's a safe risk to pass on mikal who projects to be Courtney Lee.

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6/24/2018  2:53 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/24/2018  2:56 PM
blkexec wrote:In my opinion....I believe they feel Knox has more upside on offense as a complete offensive player that fits in any system. On defense....knox currently has more upside to guard PFs than Mikal who weighs 198 lbs. Mikal is similar to Lee....just a few inches taller. Mikal size wise will never be able to play full time PF. Knox will....Mikal will get pushed around by larger SFs...Knox was a football player first so he's built with a solid frame that absorbed body contact. Knox simply has more overall potential than mikal. This is coming from a Mikal fan. It took a while but I see their thinking.

I hope he does well. Defense really comes down to heart and desire. I want him to succeed. I am not sure if he is smart and has a good feel for the game. But if he puts in the effort on both sides of the ball he will make it, the talent is there. I was upset when he disappeared in a couple of games in the NCAA tournament and that he wasn't really BPA. I would have been haplier with Mikal or Knox's teammate SGA.

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6/24/2018  3:29 PM
blkexec wrote:In my opinion....I believe they feel Knox has more upside on offense as a complete offensive player that fits in any system. On defense....knox currently has more upside to guard PFs than Mikal who weighs 198 lbs. Mikal is similar to Lee....just a few inches taller. Mikal size wise will never be able to play full time PF. Knox will....Mikal will get pushed around by larger SFs...Knox was a football player first so he's built with a solid frame that absorbed body contact. Knox simply has more overall potential than mikal. This is coming from a Mikal fan. It took a while but I see their thinking.

Good post!! Couldn't agree more!!

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6/24/2018  3:39 PM
blkexec wrote:
codeunknown wrote:Knox is a very disappointing pick. With Lonnie Walker and Mikal Bridges on the board, there were definitely better risk-reward picks available. Age is an important variable and Knox is young, but his baseline shooting mechanics, on-ball control, and defensive instincts are all underwhelming. I’ll root hard for him, but the on-court data was unsatisfactory enough that it’s hard to imagine that personal attributes trump that data. Basically, it’s a long shot that he will be an efficient player. Usually one can get on board with picks you don’t like, as part of differences in risk aversion in a greater overall plan. I have a hard time getting on board with this pick. So much so, that I begin to question the intelligence and tools used in this evaluation by the front office.

I was a Mikal fan....still a Mikal fan. But I'm starting to understand why knox may have been the pick over Mikal. Look at his 3 yr college stats and his 1st years...he averaged 6 or 8 pts....He popped his 3rd yr. I believe he played 20 mins his freshmen year, which could be why his stats are low.

http://insider.espn.com/nbadraft/results/players/stats/_/id/80360

I understand the the Knox pick too. Good athleticism, solid stroke and young enough to coach out of bad habits. Still would not have made the pick. Villanova is a solid, consistent program. They don't usually have the luxury of bringing in one and done five stars. The fact that Mikal had time to get coached up in a disciplined setting was a good thing IMHOP. I wanted Miles because I saw an instant fit as Wilson Chandler type combo forward who could plug in all over the court. I'm not too upset with our pick tho. Knox clearly has the upside to be real good. The only thing that really bothers me about him is that he kinda reminds me off Charlie Villanueva after a round of hair transplants. I associate Charlie with disappointment...

Always... always remember: Less is less. More is more. More is better and twice as much is good too. Not enough is bad, and too much is never enough except when it's just about right. - The Tick
With the ninth pick, the NY Knicks select Kevin Knox

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