martin wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

martin wrote:With the league glaringly going towards bigs that shoot 3s or space, Kanter has made an obvious choice NOT to. He used to shoot from deeper range but did not with the Knicks. Stupid.

Stupid is ignoring all Kanter brought to the table last season, got into the best shape of his career in the offseason, and put up solid numbers. Played through one serious injury after another, was a team player.

But sure lets call him 'stupid", because he was "only" elite as a rebounder, post player. We dont deserve decent players with garbage posts like this.

Empty stats just dont do it for me. Move the team towards a win or for an ACTUAL win, those are the types of players I want on the team.

For as much as he gets paid especially. I could maybe see 10 million a year but the timing is not right for that contract

martin wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

martin wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

martin wrote:With the league glaringly going towards bigs that shoot 3s or space, Kanter has made an obvious choice NOT to. He used to shoot from deeper range but did not with the Knicks. Stupid.

Stupid is ignoring all Kanter brought to the table last season, got into the best shape of his career in the offseason, and put up solid numbers. Played through one serious injury after another, was a team player.

But sure lets call him 'stupid", because he was "only" elite as a rebounder, post player. We dont deserve decent players with garbage posts like this.

Empty stats just dont do it for me. Move the team towards a win or for an ACTUAL win, those are the types of players I want on the team.

For as much as he gets paid especially. I could maybe see 10 million a year but the timing is not right for that contract

AGREED

You are suggesting that Kanter should be paid what was considered a bargain for a good big man, 4 years ago. You double, if not triple down on calling Kanter stupid. For what? Being a role player, and not an all star? Salariez are going up all the time, but you want to pay Kanter like he is in the ABA.

martin wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

martin wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

martin wrote:With the league glaringly going towards bigs that shoot 3s or space, Kanter has made an obvious choice NOT to. He used to shoot from deeper range but did not with the Knicks. Stupid.

Stupid is ignoring all Kanter brought to the table last season, got into the best shape of his career in the offseason, and put up solid numbers. Played through one serious injury after another, was a team player.

But sure lets call him 'stupid", because he was "only" elite as a rebounder, post player. We dont deserve decent players with garbage posts like this.

You and I went through this before. Name 1 game that Kanter had an impact on. A winning game would be nice but not necessary.

You kept ignoring my question. Repeatedly.

I named at least 1, a Miami game where he dominated the Heat with both KP out and Whiteside out, late Nov.

Any others?

Empty stats just dont do it for me. Move the team towards a win or for an ACTUAL win, those are the types of players I want on the team.

Kanter is a bench player you acquire AFTER the starters are in place and your salary situation is in tact. He'd be good at below $10M once your first 5 are there. Knicks are not in a position to offer him a contract that he is looking for.

Kanter was our best player last year. I would have said keep him e end of the year. But with some distance... I would let him walk. I think he's an outdated model at this point. Howard and Mozgov just got traded because their games are ill-suited for the modern NBA. I feel the same way about Kanter. He doesn't do enough on the outside, he doesn't run well, and he doesn't defend. He's a great offensive rebounder but I would like for him to do more on the defensive glass

lol best at what? Not playing much in the 4th quarter? Empty stat collection?

Same question to you: What games did his play really impact games?

There were a couple games where THJr and even Beas took over and it lead to a win, carried the team for stretches of games. I'm still racking my brain as to what Kanter did for the team?

His padded stats are nice. For half a game? Both in terms of offense/defense and minutes played?

What does Kanter bring to the team?

I think I are in part with both sides here. Kanter bring rebounding and heart, he brings a big body around the rim we can throw at opposing defenses. But a doesn't really won games for us. So comes din to whether you think we will have impact players in each position and he needs to be replaced by one in the 2-3 year timeframe, or whether you think he is an ok support piece for the next three years, provided it's s reasonable contract.

technomaster wrote:Out of curiosity, if Kanter were to skip town and sign elsewhere as a free agent, do we see upside to bringing in Dwight Howard for cheap? (Howard gives you a lot of what you get from Kanter + shot blocking)

What Howard would give us with better defense, history shows he would take away when, it comes to chemistry.