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6/13/2018  9:04 AM
CrushAlot wrote:Porter scares me. Back injuries don't usually age well in basketball. I was wondering if it would be worth moving the 36th pick to go to 8 if Wendell Carter is there. I think he is a 10-12 year pro starting most of those years. Also, teams are used to the Knicks being bad decision makers that can be taken advantage of. There maybe some of that thinking going on.

Back injury scares me too. Larry Johnson -- changed his game completely (not for the better); Larry Bird had perpetual issues

There's a risk reward issue here to consider though. If we can get get the best doctors to vet the situation I would feel better

Perhaps our nine and a serviceable/contributing player (e.g., Lee, THJ) for dead money (soon) expiring contract

the situation would parallel Sam Darnold in some ways -- getting a guy in the draft who at the beginning of the college year was forecast as a #1 pick

Personally, whether it's porter or another, if we pick a wing he has to be able to dribble, create (it doesn't even need to be flashy -- just effective). Sure I want a good/great shooter but the ability to move with the ball in your hands speaks to the persons coordination and feel IMO

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6/13/2018  9:08 AM
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WaltLongmire wrote:Why would they be coming to us? Have we expressed some kind of special interest in Porter? Does this mean we've seen a phyical for him indicating that he's healthy?

Hope we don't seem too anxious, but if the rumor is right, it would seem that we've already expressed an interest.

What would it take to make a jump? Would #9 and #36 get us anywhere, or do we have to throw in a player?

Would folks try to move up for him?

Have to get a physical done on him or I don't even think of trying to get him...even at #9.

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Rival executives have reportedly reached out to the New York Knicks to gauge their interest in trading up for Michael Porter Jr. at the 2018 NBA Draft.

The New York Knicks are one of many teams that have expressed interest in Michael Porter Jr. of the Missouri Tigers. New York scouted Porter at his Pro Day, and will work him out a second time when Steve Mills and Scott Perry travel to see him in Chicago.

With word of the Knicks’ interest spreading around the NBA, rival teams are exploring the possibility of a trade.

New York is currently in possession of the No. 9 overall selection in the 2018 NBA Draft. Porter isn’t expected to fall that far come draft day, which has led to the teams ahead of it exploring the possibility of a trade.

According to Ian Begley of ESPN New York, some of the eight teams picking ahead of the Knicks have reached out to see if they’d be interested in trading up for Porter.

Some teams with picks ahead of the Knicks have reached out to members of the organization to gauge their interest on trading up to draft Michael Porter Jr., league sources say.

If the Knicks truly believe that Porter can be a franchise-altering player, then it may be worth considering a trade up the board.

Porter, 19, measured at just under 6’11” and 211 pounds with a 7’0.25″ wingspan and a 9.05″ standing reach. Those are elite measurements for both forward positions, which is one of the primary reasons he’s garnering significant attention.

Porter can play and defend every position from 3 to 5, and that doesn’t even begin to take his unique skill set into account


Porter’s freshman season was marred by a back injury, but even when he was far from 100 percent, he looked the part of an elite rebounder.

Offensively, Porter has a tight handle and the ability to both stretch the floor as a shooter and finish in traffic with power or finesse as a slasher. He has above-average court vision for a forward and can operate both with and without the ball.

Porter was the No. 1 recruit in the country coming out of high school, and the Knicks seem to believe that he can validate the previous No. 1 overall selection hype.


The question is: Will the New York Knicks be willing to trade up in order to select Michael Porter Jr. at the 2018 NBA Draft?

Same reason there are rumors of us trying to trade down for picks 12 @ 13. Teams probably feel there's a small difference between toers 2 @ 3 in this draft. They're just trying to maximize their assets.

If we can get 12 and 13, I think it'd be a coup. With Sixers' looking to offload salary, I think we can flip either pick to get their 10th pick for taking on some salary. Jerry Bayless and the 10th pick for Ron Baker, $4.5 million in cap flexibility and eithrr 12 or 13 makes sense to me.

i think there will be moves like this as options. We have players who we criticize who can still contribute (e.g., Lee, THJ) who are better than some other team's total waste cases. We might need to consider making a move like that and absorbing someone else's junk for a year especially if we think this year is without KP and otherwise lost. (last year we spotted the leave 17 million by putting Noah in exile)

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6/13/2018  9:36 AM
I was open to Porter, now I dont think I am. This wasnt his first back injury. He hurt it sophomore season as well. Now a 6'10 kid growing like a weed playing hoops and training his butt off... I mean that is an easy recipe for hurting something. Also its entirely possible he just grows out of this and never looks back as his body matures and strengthens. Or he could have cronic back issues and never scratch his potential.

Reminds me of Danny Granger where you know there is elite talent there but red flags. Granger was a heck of a good player but eventually succumbed to the injuries that hurt his draft stock

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6/13/2018  9:50 AM
1st of all....It's not worth losing a 1st round pick next year, just to move up in this draft that's filled with potential but no sure superstar. Porter has potential and the only way I would move up is by trading Lee. I'm not against trading Frank, if it's for a top pick....and that's not going to happen. Perry and company have been very patient so far. I like their approach. I also think this article about teams looking to trade with knicks for the 9th pick to move up....I believe the knicks created this article to help gathers some trade offers.
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6/13/2018  12:14 PM
blkexec wrote:1st of all....It's not worth losing a 1st round pick next year, just to move up in this draft that's filled with potential but no sure superstar. Porter has potential and the only way I would move up is by trading Lee. I'm not against trading Frank, if it's for a top pick....and that's not going to happen. Perry and company have been very patient so far. I like their approach. I also think this article about teams looking to trade with knicks for the 9th pick to move up....I believe the knicks created this article to help gathers some trade offers.

Trade offers for Porter if he falls to us?

My dream would be to deal with the Clippers if Porter falls to us and they want him, and get their two picks for him.

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6/13/2018  12:25 PM
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blkexec wrote:1st of all....It's not worth losing a 1st round pick next year, just to move up in this draft that's filled with potential but no sure superstar. Porter has potential and the only way I would move up is by trading Lee. I'm not against trading Frank, if it's for a top pick....and that's not going to happen. Perry and company have been very patient so far. I like their approach. I also think this article about teams looking to trade with knicks for the 9th pick to move up....I believe the knicks created this article to help gathers some trade offers.

Trade offers for Porter if he falls to us?

My dream would be to deal with the Clippers if Porter falls to us and they want him, and get their two picks for him.

agree, i'd do 9 for 12 and 13 easy

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blkexec wrote:1st of all....It's not worth losing a 1st round pick next year, just to move up in this draft that's filled with potential but no sure superstar. Porter has potential and the only way I would move up is by trading Lee. I'm not against trading Frank, if it's for a top pick....and that's not going to happen. Perry and company have been very patient so far. I like their approach. I also think this article about teams looking to trade with knicks for the 9th pick to move up....I believe the knicks created this article to help gathers some trade offers.

Trade offers for Porter if he falls to us?

My dream would be to deal with the Clippers if Porter falls to us and they want him, and get their two picks for him.

SGA and Robert Williams jump out at me.
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6/13/2018  2:25 PM
If we can somehow move up 2 or 3 spots without giving up a future first, we can use that pick for Carter.
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6/13/2018  2:28 PM
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SupremeCommander wrote:we have nothing to offer to move up to the top. I doubt #9 and #36 are even close to good enough

similarly, the Mavs took DSJ with a thick injury file. He's not going to slip past them

Herniated discs... two of them, I think...Not a good injury for an athlete playing a sport with a lot of jumping, twisting, and pounding on wood floors. Pretty sure its a degenerative type injury...Maybe Chicago doesn't want to risk it, unless the physical they have shows he's 100% healed.

Even if healed, that kind of injury for a young kid is not promising.

Spot on. It would be bat**** crazy to trade *up* to draft Porter. After Rice, Stoudamire, Camby, KP, and a trainfull of injured - not functional players drafting Porter would just sink the Knicks for another decade.

ESPN is so full of **** when it comes to the Knicks.

Porter may drop through to 36 if so, draft him there.

if not for the injury he's the #1 pick this year... yes, it's a serious injury. but if our doctors greenlight it, why wouldn't you draft him? So we can grab our future second or third guy off the bench?

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6/13/2018  2:30 PM
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SupremeCommander wrote:we have nothing to offer to move up to the top. I doubt #9 and #36 are even close to good enough

similarly, the Mavs took DSJ with a thick injury file. He's not going to slip past them

We have Frank, KP, and future picks. Im sure teams would love to get the Knicks 2019 unprotected pick. Teams are trying to Ainge the Knicks to jumpstart their rebuild

first off, Phil got fired right after he suggested trading KP. that ain't happening.

Frank and future first rounders? that's enough to get in front of Dallas? and if we got to the very top, there are better picks that can be made

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6/13/2018  2:34 PM
for the record, I would rather just hang tight and see what our options are. If Porter is available at #9 -- again, assuming the doctors say he's fine -- it would be absolutely ****ing insane not to take him
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6/13/2018  4:11 PM
SupremeCommander wrote:
fwk00 wrote:
WaltLongmire wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:we have nothing to offer to move up to the top. I doubt #9 and #36 are even close to good enough

similarly, the Mavs took DSJ with a thick injury file. He's not going to slip past them

Herniated discs... two of them, I think...Not a good injury for an athlete playing a sport with a lot of jumping, twisting, and pounding on wood floors. Pretty sure its a degenerative type injury...Maybe Chicago doesn't want to risk it, unless the physical they have shows he's 100% healed.

Even if healed, that kind of injury for a young kid is not promising.

Spot on. It would be bat**** crazy to trade *up* to draft Porter. After Rice, Stoudamire, Camby, KP, and a trainfull of injured - not functional players drafting Porter would just sink the Knicks for another decade.

ESPN is so full of **** when it comes to the Knicks.

Porter may drop through to 36 if so, draft him there.

if not for the injury he's the #1 pick this year... yes, it's a serious injury. but if our doctors greenlight it, why wouldn't you draft him? So we can grab our future second or third guy off the bench?

doctor part is the key I would also feel better if i knew our doctors were great or that our eye for talent was great (and at the moment I am skeptical see Mudiay, Willy(

I also think trades could be possible without a draft pick. We're not going anyplace next year with KP down for a good part if not all of it. If someone wants one of our serviceable players, e.g., Lee or even THJ in a trade for a worse player on a bad but ending contract we could do that too

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6/13/2018  4:37 PM
Dimedrop.net with a nice scouting report on Porter. His ceiling is through the roof but so is the risk.

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6/13/2018  5:52 PM
We're in this stupid position again where we're just hoping for guys to drop or consider trading up, when we could just have not won those 2 games near the end of the season.
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6/13/2018  9:35 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/13/2018  9:37 PM
SupremeCommander wrote:
fwk00 wrote:
WaltLongmire wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:we have nothing to offer to move up to the top. I doubt #9 and #36 are even close to good enough

similarly, the Mavs took DSJ with a thick injury file. He's not going to slip past them

Herniated discs... two of them, I think...Not a good injury for an athlete playing a sport with a lot of jumping, twisting, and pounding on wood floors. Pretty sure its a degenerative type injury...Maybe Chicago doesn't want to risk it, unless the physical they have shows he's 100% healed.

Even if healed, that kind of injury for a young kid is not promising.

Spot on. It would be bat**** crazy to trade *up* to draft Porter. After Rice, Stoudamire, Camby, KP, and a trainfull of injured - not functional players drafting Porter would just sink the Knicks for another decade.

ESPN is so full of **** when it comes to the Knicks.

Porter may drop through to 36 if so, draft him there.

if not for the injury he's the #1 pick this year... yes, it's a serious injury. but if our doctors greenlight it, why wouldn't you draft him? So we can grab our future second or third guy off the bench?

Back problems are not "an injury". An injury heals - you put a band-aid on it or do an orthoscopic surgery on it.

Discs that float in and out can float in and out by getting into a car, picking up a dropped comb, or other nonsensical things. I've had back surgery. I avoid contact sports.

An 84++++ game schedule is no place to introduce a player with a bad back who (oh, by the way) automatically gets a rookie contract for guaranteed big bucks. The NBA IS PHYSICAL - you can't hide.

Now teams that can afford risk like that will roll the dice - nothing to lose - 14th, 15th player.

A team like the Knicks looking for a dependable rotation guy who they will invest playing time into, money, and hype can ill afford *that* kind of additional risk. If said player goes down not only are you **** out of luck and wasted cap space (for years) but you wasted development and team chemistry time that ain't coming back. You start ALL over again.

And, BTW, nothing against Porter - maybe he beats the odds. But the second round is where you draft these guys. No guaranteed contract or obligations - no fool-the-evaluators games.

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6/14/2018  1:09 AM
fwk00 wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:
fwk00 wrote:
WaltLongmire wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:we have nothing to offer to move up to the top. I doubt #9 and #36 are even close to good enough

similarly, the Mavs took DSJ with a thick injury file. He's not going to slip past them

Herniated discs... two of them, I think...Not a good injury for an athlete playing a sport with a lot of jumping, twisting, and pounding on wood floors. Pretty sure its a degenerative type injury...Maybe Chicago doesn't want to risk it, unless the physical they have shows he's 100% healed.

Even if healed, that kind of injury for a young kid is not promising.

Spot on. It would be bat**** crazy to trade *up* to draft Porter. After Rice, Stoudamire, Camby, KP, and a trainfull of injured - not functional players drafting Porter would just sink the Knicks for another decade.

ESPN is so full of **** when it comes to the Knicks.

Porter may drop through to 36 if so, draft him there.

if not for the injury he's the #1 pick this year... yes, it's a serious injury. but if our doctors greenlight it, why wouldn't you draft him? So we can grab our future second or third guy off the bench?

Back problems are not "an injury". An injury heals - you put a band-aid on it or do an orthoscopic surgery on it.

Discs that float in and out can float in and out by getting into a car, picking up a dropped comb, or other nonsensical things. I've had back surgery. I avoid contact sports.

An 84++++ game schedule is no place to introduce a player with a bad back who (oh, by the way) automatically gets a rookie contract for guaranteed big bucks. The NBA IS PHYSICAL - you can't hide.

Now teams that can afford risk like that will roll the dice - nothing to lose - 14th, 15th player.

A team like the Knicks looking for a dependable rotation guy who they will invest playing time into, money, and hype can ill afford *that* kind of additional risk. If said player goes down not only are you **** out of luck and wasted cap space (for years) but you wasted development and team chemistry time that ain't coming back. You start ALL over again.

And, BTW, nothing against Porter - maybe he beats the odds. But the second round is where you draft these guys. No guaranteed contract or obligations - no fool-the-evaluators games.


https://www.nytimes.com/1987/06/09/sports/doctor-s-orders-rest-for-mattingly.html

Jun 9, 1987 - Don Mattingly, one of the two Yankee stars who are missing the important ... ''Don injured two disks in his lower back,'' Dr. Bonamo said in a ...

Have hated the Yankees for many years...but had tons of respect for Mattingly as a player & was always amazed at his hitting ability...He serves a warning on what a back injury can mean for a player.

Porter might end up being fine...maybe the back acts up when he's in his 30s, later in his career...maybe it NEVER gets re-injured, but back injuries are always a worry for an athlete.

High risks...high reward. I'd steer away from him unless he really drops and we somehow acquire a late #1.

If we do end up with him, I will be his biggest fan... unless the back acts up.

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6/14/2018  3:30 AM
Has he gotten some kind of promise from a team?

From Berman...

Michael Porter Jr., whose draft stock hinges on questions regarding his back, reportedly has canceled Friday’s workout in Chicago that was to be attended by reps from a small group of lottery teams, including Knicks president Steve Mills and GM Scott Perry.
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6/14/2018  10:09 AM
WaltLongmire wrote:
fwk00 wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:
fwk00 wrote:
WaltLongmire wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:we have nothing to offer to move up to the top. I doubt #9 and #36 are even close to good enough

similarly, the Mavs took DSJ with a thick injury file. He's not going to slip past them

Herniated discs... two of them, I think...Not a good injury for an athlete playing a sport with a lot of jumping, twisting, and pounding on wood floors. Pretty sure its a degenerative type injury...Maybe Chicago doesn't want to risk it, unless the physical they have shows he's 100% healed.

Even if healed, that kind of injury for a young kid is not promising.

Spot on. It would be bat**** crazy to trade *up* to draft Porter. After Rice, Stoudamire, Camby, KP, and a trainfull of injured - not functional players drafting Porter would just sink the Knicks for another decade.

ESPN is so full of **** when it comes to the Knicks.

Porter may drop through to 36 if so, draft him there.

if not for the injury he's the #1 pick this year... yes, it's a serious injury. but if our doctors greenlight it, why wouldn't you draft him? So we can grab our future second or third guy off the bench?

Back problems are not "an injury". An injury heals - you put a band-aid on it or do an orthoscopic surgery on it.

Discs that float in and out can float in and out by getting into a car, picking up a dropped comb, or other nonsensical things. I've had back surgery. I avoid contact sports.

An 84++++ game schedule is no place to introduce a player with a bad back who (oh, by the way) automatically gets a rookie contract for guaranteed big bucks. The NBA IS PHYSICAL - you can't hide.

Now teams that can afford risk like that will roll the dice - nothing to lose - 14th, 15th player.

A team like the Knicks looking for a dependable rotation guy who they will invest playing time into, money, and hype can ill afford *that* kind of additional risk. If said player goes down not only are you **** out of luck and wasted cap space (for years) but you wasted development and team chemistry time that ain't coming back. You start ALL over again.

And, BTW, nothing against Porter - maybe he beats the odds. But the second round is where you draft these guys. No guaranteed contract or obligations - no fool-the-evaluators games.


https://www.nytimes.com/1987/06/09/sports/doctor-s-orders-rest-for-mattingly.html

Jun 9, 1987 - Don Mattingly, one of the two Yankee stars who are missing the important ... ''Don injured two disks in his lower back,'' Dr. Bonamo said in a ...

Have hated the Yankees for many years...but had tons of respect for Mattingly as a player & was always amazed at his hitting ability...He serves a warning on what a back injury can mean for a player.

Porter might end up being fine...maybe the back acts up when he's in his 30s, later in his career...maybe it NEVER gets re-injured, but back injuries are always a worry for an athlete.

High risks...high reward. I'd steer away from him unless he really drops and we somehow acquire a late #1.

If we do end up with him, I will be his biggest fan... unless the back acts up.

The NIH did a study on players who had back surgery and players who did not. This was the conclusion:

Regardless of treatment type, players had similar rates of return to play. While operatively treated players had a decline in games played and PER during the first postoperative season, no difference in either statistic was seen by the second season compared with controls. Nonoperatively treated players, in contrast, did not have a significantly greater decline in games played or PER, but had a shorter career length compared with controls

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4702156/

Talking anecdotally about Don Mattingly or LJ literally means nothing here. It doesn't matter. If our doctors clear the pick, this is our pick. We need a star. We would get what normally would be the #1 overall pick fall into our laps. It would be beyond foolish not draft him, especially because PER THE NIH he did exactly what he should do for the longevity of his career

i'll go with the NIH study over the uk.com lounge on this one

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SupremeCommander wrote:
WaltLongmire wrote:
fwk00 wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:
fwk00 wrote:
WaltLongmire wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:we have nothing to offer to move up to the top. I doubt #9 and #36 are even close to good enough

similarly, the Mavs took DSJ with a thick injury file. He's not going to slip past them

Herniated discs... two of them, I think...Not a good injury for an athlete playing a sport with a lot of jumping, twisting, and pounding on wood floors. Pretty sure its a degenerative type injury...Maybe Chicago doesn't want to risk it, unless the physical they have shows he's 100% healed.

Even if healed, that kind of injury for a young kid is not promising.

Spot on. It would be bat**** crazy to trade *up* to draft Porter. After Rice, Stoudamire, Camby, KP, and a trainfull of injured - not functional players drafting Porter would just sink the Knicks for another decade.

ESPN is so full of **** when it comes to the Knicks.

Porter may drop through to 36 if so, draft him there.

if not for the injury he's the #1 pick this year... yes, it's a serious injury. but if our doctors greenlight it, why wouldn't you draft him? So we can grab our future second or third guy off the bench?

Back problems are not "an injury". An injury heals - you put a band-aid on it or do an orthoscopic surgery on it.

Discs that float in and out can float in and out by getting into a car, picking up a dropped comb, or other nonsensical things. I've had back surgery. I avoid contact sports.

An 84++++ game schedule is no place to introduce a player with a bad back who (oh, by the way) automatically gets a rookie contract for guaranteed big bucks. The NBA IS PHYSICAL - you can't hide.

Now teams that can afford risk like that will roll the dice - nothing to lose - 14th, 15th player.

A team like the Knicks looking for a dependable rotation guy who they will invest playing time into, money, and hype can ill afford *that* kind of additional risk. If said player goes down not only are you **** out of luck and wasted cap space (for years) but you wasted development and team chemistry time that ain't coming back. You start ALL over again.

And, BTW, nothing against Porter - maybe he beats the odds. But the second round is where you draft these guys. No guaranteed contract or obligations - no fool-the-evaluators games.


https://www.nytimes.com/1987/06/09/sports/doctor-s-orders-rest-for-mattingly.html

Jun 9, 1987 - Don Mattingly, one of the two Yankee stars who are missing the important ... ''Don injured two disks in his lower back,'' Dr. Bonamo said in a ...

Have hated the Yankees for many years...but had tons of respect for Mattingly as a player & was always amazed at his hitting ability...He serves a warning on what a back injury can mean for a player.

Porter might end up being fine...maybe the back acts up when he's in his 30s, later in his career...maybe it NEVER gets re-injured, but back injuries are always a worry for an athlete.

High risks...high reward. I'd steer away from him unless he really drops and we somehow acquire a late #1.

If we do end up with him, I will be his biggest fan... unless the back acts up.

The NIH did a study on players who had back surgery and players who did not. This was the conclusion:

Regardless of treatment type, players had similar rates of return to play. While operatively treated players had a decline in games played and PER during the first postoperative season, no difference in either statistic was seen by the second season compared with controls. Nonoperatively treated players, in contrast, did not have a significantly greater decline in games played or PER, but had a shorter career length compared with controls

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4702156/

Talking anecdotally about Don Mattingly or LJ literally means nothing here. It doesn't matter. If our doctors clear the pick, this is our pick. We need a star. We would get what normally would be the #1 overall pick fall into our laps. It would be beyond foolish not draft him, especially because PER THE NIH he did exactly what he should do for the longevity of his career

i'll go with the NIH study over the uk.com lounge on this one

can you show the part where it address multiple occurrences or a relapse? He hurt his back sophmore season as well. His last 4 years of BB he's hurt his back in 2 of them. He barely got on the court last year. Its multiple back injuries for a sport where being explosive is the key ingredient.
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SupremeCommander wrote:
WaltLongmire wrote:
fwk00 wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:
fwk00 wrote:
WaltLongmire wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:we have nothing to offer to move up to the top. I doubt #9 and #36 are even close to good enough

similarly, the Mavs took DSJ with a thick injury file. He's not going to slip past them

Herniated discs... two of them, I think...Not a good injury for an athlete playing a sport with a lot of jumping, twisting, and pounding on wood floors. Pretty sure its a degenerative type injury...Maybe Chicago doesn't want to risk it, unless the physical they have shows he's 100% healed.

Even if healed, that kind of injury for a young kid is not promising.

Spot on. It would be bat**** crazy to trade *up* to draft Porter. After Rice, Stoudamire, Camby, KP, and a trainfull of injured - not functional players drafting Porter would just sink the Knicks for another decade.

ESPN is so full of **** when it comes to the Knicks.

Porter may drop through to 36 if so, draft him there.

if not for the injury he's the #1 pick this year... yes, it's a serious injury. but if our doctors greenlight it, why wouldn't you draft him? So we can grab our future second or third guy off the bench?

Back problems are not "an injury". An injury heals - you put a band-aid on it or do an orthoscopic surgery on it.

Discs that float in and out can float in and out by getting into a car, picking up a dropped comb, or other nonsensical things. I've had back surgery. I avoid contact sports.

An 84++++ game schedule is no place to introduce a player with a bad back who (oh, by the way) automatically gets a rookie contract for guaranteed big bucks. The NBA IS PHYSICAL - you can't hide.

Now teams that can afford risk like that will roll the dice - nothing to lose - 14th, 15th player.

A team like the Knicks looking for a dependable rotation guy who they will invest playing time into, money, and hype can ill afford *that* kind of additional risk. If said player goes down not only are you **** out of luck and wasted cap space (for years) but you wasted development and team chemistry time that ain't coming back. You start ALL over again.

And, BTW, nothing against Porter - maybe he beats the odds. But the second round is where you draft these guys. No guaranteed contract or obligations - no fool-the-evaluators games.


https://www.nytimes.com/1987/06/09/sports/doctor-s-orders-rest-for-mattingly.html

Jun 9, 1987 - Don Mattingly, one of the two Yankee stars who are missing the important ... ''Don injured two disks in his lower back,'' Dr. Bonamo said in a ...

Have hated the Yankees for many years...but had tons of respect for Mattingly as a player & was always amazed at his hitting ability...He serves a warning on what a back injury can mean for a player.

Porter might end up being fine...maybe the back acts up when he's in his 30s, later in his career...maybe it NEVER gets re-injured, but back injuries are always a worry for an athlete.

High risks...high reward. I'd steer away from him unless he really drops and we somehow acquire a late #1.

If we do end up with him, I will be his biggest fan... unless the back acts up.

The NIH did a study on players who had back surgery and players who did not. This was the conclusion:

Regardless of treatment type, players had similar rates of return to play. While operatively treated players had a decline in games played and PER during the first postoperative season, no difference in either statistic was seen by the second season compared with controls. Nonoperatively treated players, in contrast, did not have a significantly greater decline in games played or PER, but had a shorter career length compared with controls

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4702156/

Talking anecdotally about Don Mattingly or LJ literally means nothing here. It doesn't matter. If our doctors clear the pick, this is our pick. We need a star. We would get what normally would be the #1 overall pick fall into our laps. It would be beyond foolish not draft him, especially because PER THE NIH he did exactly what he should do for the longevity of his career

i'll go with the NIH study over the uk.com lounge on this one

can you show the part where it address multiple occurrences or a relapse? He hurt his back sophmore season as well. His last 4 years of BB he's hurt his back in 2 of them. He barely got on the court last year. Its multiple back injuries for a sport where being explosive is the key ingredient.

nope, but again, AS LONG AS OUR DOCTORS GREENLIGHT IT it would be insane not to take Porter. Yeah, there's risk, but our roster sucks big fat ****ing donkey dong. I don't want a bench player or a 3 and D guy. Or a player that hasn't shown anything. Give me the projected #1 overall pick heading in to the season. We suck, we have a ****ty pick, and it's worth the risk

GustavBahler said: Check please....
Teams drafting before us fishing for Knicks to move up for Porter?

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