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Take Parsons... see if you can get pick #4
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jrodmc
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6/1/2018  3:34 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/1/2018  3:34 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:Not a knock on THJ, but he's not enough to move to 4. Parsons has had his own disappearing acts. Would rather see how Hardaway does this season, who we draft.

THJ's injury, and dry spell put his value too low right now to get a good offer IMO. Frank might have a breakout season off the ball, or if a draft pick really impresses, that would be a better time to consider moving him.

Agree. We can make excuses, THJ was inefficient at the end of the day. I'm not killing him. At the same time, but his percieved value around the league is not high. Probably not fair, but what can you do?

THJ, unlike everyone on the team currently other than KP, can actually, possibly win us a few games. That, and the fact I have no stomach (and I hope our FO doesn't either) for taking on over $50 mil for what's barely left of Chandler Parsons. Noah part 2. Eff this particular draft for that price.

Funny, Chandler's career trajectory (dejectory?) is almost the same as one of our other number 8 picks, Gallinari.
Chandler got 4 years at 94M. Unreal. So much for compression stockings.

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6/3/2018  11:56 AM
BigDaddyG wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:Not a knock on THJ, but he's not enough to move to 4. Parsons has had his own disappearing acts. Would rather see how Hardaway does this season, who we draft.

THJ's injury, and dry spell put his value too low right now to get a good offer IMO. Frank might have a breakout season off the ball, or if a draft pick really impresses, that would be a better time to consider moving him.

Agree. We can make excuses, THJ was inefficient at the end of the day. I'm not killing him. At the same time, but his percieved value around the league is not high. Probably not fair, but what can you do?


Much is made of THJR receiving average pay for a two guard. Somehow the fact that his play is actually below average gets left out of the discussion.
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6/3/2018  1:43 PM
TripleThreat wrote:
TLover wrote:The key here is Doncic holding the cards as to where he wants to play. Doncic can either drop to Knicks or Memphis can pick him & strike a deal with us. Doncic’s threat of staying in Europe will definitely scare off teams. Memphis still has Gasol & Conely so either of the Bridges would work for them. Michael Porter’s injury might scare them off as well.

Hardaway, Mudiay, #9 for Parsons (who can play the 4 until KP is back) & Doncic

Teams won't care and Doncic has no real leverage.

In his situation, if he is drafted and doesn't show up, his cost control "tolls". What that means is since he's not reporting and is not accruing actual NBA "service time" then when he finally does report to the team or is traded, he has to start from Day 1/Ground Zero in terms of his rookie contract. Even just one year like this can impact your 2nd contract, maybe even getting a third contract.

He also will have to play somewhere and then he risks major injury. It's one thing to be injured as an NBA player under NBA contract, it's another to be in limbo and suffer a major injury.

Any team who drafts him can simply trade his rights to another team later if the situation proves too difficult. He has more value in being drafted and then traded later than being traded right now over some phantom leverage he doesn't have.

High level representation will walk from him. If he actually sits out a year from the NBA, he'll be dropped. Agents are informally expected to keep their clients in line. The league and the franchises understand there are some issues they don't want to know about, so they can have plausible deniability. The agents are expected to handle and bury things and manage their clients, even protect them from themselves. If you stay Doncic's agent and he rebels like this, you'll risk the league turning on every player under your representation as a response.

Doncic will also face a free for all on him when he does enter the league if he sits out a year. The refs will turn their backs to him. He will be like an NFL running back. There is already an existing "Euro Bias" in the league. This would be worse. It's all fun and games until some fourth string power forward on a 10 day contract tomahawks you into the ground and then steps on your throat.

Doncic is not dropping to #9. He's not dropping to #4. He's certainly not being traded for dumping Parson's contract if he did drop to #4.

That's not even standard trade rape anymore, it's Shawshank Redemption, Andy being cornered by the Sisters and Boggs in the laundry room kind of brutal prison rape type of trade rape.

This is a story I heard once. Back when drive thru windows for things like burger joints first started opening ( new concept), there were two windows ( i.e. the first to pay, the second to get your food) In some smaller areas, it was just one window ( and some places still have one window) There was a place that would keep hiring new people (high turnover) and often the new teenager with the pimple face would hand the food over first, then ask for the money afterwards. Now, 99.9999 percent of the time, people are going to be straight up about this. But apparently, in one case I heard about, the driver of the car took the food first from a new employee, then threw his old drive thru trash bag, from his previous stops at other places, through the window. So he didn't just steal the food, he also threw his trash, from another restaurant, in the window as a gigantic F**k Y**. And apparently as the douchebag drove off, he screamed out - "You are welcome."

Hardaway, Mudiay and 9 for Doncic and Parsons, and pretty much every trade scenario is this thread, is exactly that. You take the hot freshly made food. Then you throw your trash through the window. Then you scream you are welcome at them as you speed off. Mudiay has no trade value. He's like 5 or 6 dried out french fries. A corner bit of leftover burger. A greasy wrapper with some mayo and lettuce smeared on the side. A couple of unused ketchup packets. A straw wrapper. Two freshly loaded used condoms. A couple of 9mm rounds. An empty crack vial. The usual. And a bird that was never meant to be caged.

Can you hear Morgan Freeman narrating? About how Andy fought and fought and sometimes he won, but you know over time, he couldn't win them all.

Some of you guys treat the non Knicks teams like someone you can corner in the prison laundry room.


Thank you for this post!!!!

Take Parsons... see if you can get pick #4

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