newyorknewyork wrote:I think that's a good move for Memphis. I would ask for a little more for the Knicks. Parsons is cooked while Thjr will be productive. They only move down 5 spots. And shed some immediate salary.

Maybe ask for their 2nd rounder or a 2nd rd pick swap.

But Knicks also may find a taker that would take Thjr and 9 for an expiring while we move up. Like say Matthews from Dallas.

Maybe package Thjr to Clippers in a trade down for Gallo 12 & 13.

fishmike wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:I think Memphis would rather keep Parsons and the roster spots. It's worth a try, but junk for junk doesn't seem like an incentive to trade down.

THjr isnt junk. He's a 26 year old putting 17/4/3 and trending up. Mudiay is a throw in, but could certainly play backup PG. Parsons gives them nothing. THJ gives them a good young guard. I didnt say great, but THJ is most certainly not garbage.

On a side note I am not looking to move THJ. I bet he's even better next year when his shooting improves and it will

Nalod wrote:This is an interesting concept. I would not throw in Mudiay as he might be "fixable".
I do think we undervalue THjr because of Mills. This is a kid who put up 48 pts and the knicks became a mess. Timmy does not know how to be a first option and forces too much.
He is paid a fair wage but I understand knick fans won't see that.
This only makes sense if we have a strong resolve on a certain player. Is parsons that cooked?

Nalod wrote:This is an interesting concept. I would not throw in Mudiay as he might be "fixable".
I do think we undervalue THjr because of Mills. This is a kid who put up 48 pts and the knicks became a mess. Timmy does not know how to be a first option and forces too much.
He is paid a fair wage but I understand knick fans won't see that.
This only makes sense if we have a strong resolve on a certain player. Is parsons that cooked?

There is multiple layers in moving Thjr in this deal.

Frees up guard mins rather than having a glut. Lee/Frank/Dotson can hold the fort down since we wont be winning any time soon anyway. If it breaks right then more development mins for Frank ad a utility 1-3. With Dotson being groomed to replace Lee. Thjrs salary now can be used for other needs.

Frees round 18?mil more in salary for 2020 free agency.
Moves up to a top 4 picks giving is our choice of Porter, Jackson, Bamba maybe even get Begley if Porter rises.

newyorknewyork wrote:

Nalod wrote:This is an interesting concept. I would not throw in Mudiay as he might be "fixable".
I do think we undervalue THjr because of Mills. This is a kid who put up 48 pts and the knicks became a mess. Timmy does not know how to be a first option and forces too much.
He is paid a fair wage but I understand knick fans won't see that.
This only makes sense if we have a strong resolve on a certain player. Is parsons that cooked?

There is multiple layers in moving Thjr in this deal.

Frees up guard mins rather than having a glut. Lee/Frank/Dotson can hold the fort down since we wont be winning any time soon anyway. If it breaks right then more development mins for Frank ad a utility 1-3. With Dotson being groomed to replace Lee. Thjrs salary now can be used for other needs.

Frees round 18?mil more in salary for 2020 free agency.
Moves up to a top 4 picks giving is our choice of Porter, Jackson, Bamba maybe even get Begley if Porter rises.

I know the names and the attraction.
Anyone can mess up the 4th pick and one of those Four is statistically going to not do well. It just happens. I don't know which one, but its just what happens.
At the same time somebody might be amazing. You do this when you see something others are missing. Maybe Gaines has a different take. maybe there is no such player worth trading up for.

BigDaddyG wrote:

fishmike wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:I think Memphis would rather keep Parsons and the roster spots. It's worth a try, but junk for junk doesn't seem like an incentive to trade down.

THjr isnt junk. He's a 26 year old putting 17/4/3 and trending up. Mudiay is a throw in, but could certainly play backup PG. Parsons gives them nothing. THJ gives them a good young guard. I didnt say great, but THJ is most certainly not garbage.

On a side note I am not looking to move THJ. I bet he's even better next year when his shooting improves and it will

Junk in this case, means salary for a player who doesn't fill a position of great need for them. He probably comes off the bench for them, and Memphis is probably one of the last teams who should be splurging on a sixth man.

fishmike wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

fishmike wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:I think Memphis would rather keep Parsons and the roster spots. It's worth a try, but junk for junk doesn't seem like an incentive to trade down.

THjr isnt junk. He's a 26 year old putting 17/4/3 and trending up. Mudiay is a throw in, but could certainly play backup PG. Parsons gives them nothing. THJ gives them a good young guard. I didnt say great, but THJ is most certainly not garbage.

On a side note I am not looking to move THJ. I bet he's even better next year when his shooting improves and it will

Junk in this case, means salary for a player who doesn't fill a position of great need for them. He probably comes off the bench for them, and Memphis is probably one of the last teams who should be splurging on a sixth man.

Who is starting over THJ on that team? Even if they resign Tyreke they could play them together... I dont see many guys on that roster better than THJ

Nalod wrote:This is an interesting concept. I would not throw in Mudiay as he might be "fixable".
I do think we undervalue THjr because of Mills. This is a kid who put up 48 pts and the knicks became a mess. Timmy does not know how to be a first option and forces too much.
He is paid a fair wage but I understand knick fans won't see that.
This only makes sense if we have a strong resolve on a certain player. Is parsons that cooked?