CrushAlot wrote:

fishmike wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Nalod wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Mills talked about accountability, but gave himself a pass for everything since he got here. Cmon Steve, walk it like you talk it.

Mills is only accountable for last season and the time he was President in 2013 when he came after Grunwald was fired (october 2016) and Phil was hired (March 2014). That he worked under Phil who had all final say and was accountable for all things knicks in his tenure.

Bull****. Straight up enabling bull****. Been here too long to get a pass for everything up to the last few years.

Mills was in charge of the operations and business areas... He wasnt involved in managing the Knicks until Phil came in

Mills played professional basketball in Ecuador for a year.[2] He worked for the National Basketball Association for sixteen years beginning in 1984 after having worked at Chemical Bank. Mills ascension while at the NBA was notable. He was an account executive in the corporate sponsorship department of NBA properties and program manager for NBA properties. He became vice-president of special events, after which he was senior vice-president of Basketball and Player Development,[3] Mills then became Chief operating officer and Sports Business President of Madison Square Garden in 2003.[4] His duties at MSG included supervising day-to-day operations, including finances, business strategies of the NBAs New York Knicks, NHL's New York Rangers and the WNBA's New York Liberty. All sports related activities were under his jurisdiction, including boxing, college basketball and track & field.

In 2009, Mills left MSG and joined Magic Johnson Enterprises where he helped create the Athletes & Entertainers Wealth Management Group, LLC (A&E).[5] of which he was a partner.[6]

On September 26, 2013, the New York Knicks announced Mills would be the executive vice president and general manager of the organization.[7]

On July 14, 2017, after announcing that Scott Perry would become the Knicks' newest general manager, the Knicks also announced Mills would be the new president of the organization, replacing the role that was previously held by Phil Jackson.

Am I wrong? Seems like Mills first experience with managing the Knicks was when Phil was president.

He replaced Grunwald who was very involved in roster assembly, hiring coaches etc. He was awful that year in that position.

I will take Magic's word over Isiah's any day of the week. Magic said he recommended Isiah to Mills. Mills had a role in bringing Isiah to NY. Thats when all the starphuching started. Magic gave Mills a job after the first time. Maybe partly for his vote of confidence for Isiah. Dont want to hear that Mills had nothing to do with the losing and the dysfunction.

Coaches tell player. "We win as a team, we lose as a team". Same thing applies to upper mgmt.

Wont even go into the sexual harrassment case the Knicks lost that resulted in his first departure, hostile work environment.

Im all for giving Mills praise for smart moves, but Im not hearing the clock starts now BS. Started a long time ago.

HofstraBBall wrote:

fishmike wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

fishmike wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Nalod wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Mills talked about accountability, but gave himself a pass for everything since he got here. Cmon Steve, walk it like you talk it.

Mills is only accountable for last season and the time he was President in 2013 when he came after Grunwald was fired (october 2016) and Phil was hired (March 2014). That he worked under Phil who had all final say and was accountable for all things knicks in his tenure.

Bull****. Straight up enabling bull****. Been here too long to get a pass for everything up to the last few years.

Mills was in charge of the operations and business areas... He wasnt involved in managing the Knicks until Phil came in

Mills played professional basketball in Ecuador for a year.[2] He worked for the National Basketball Association for sixteen years beginning in 1984 after having worked at Chemical Bank. Mills ascension while at the NBA was notable. He was an account executive in the corporate sponsorship department of NBA properties and program manager for NBA properties. He became vice-president of special events, after which he was senior vice-president of Basketball and Player Development,[3] Mills then became Chief operating officer and Sports Business President of Madison Square Garden in 2003.[4] His duties at MSG included supervising day-to-day operations, including finances, business strategies of the NBAs New York Knicks, NHL's New York Rangers and the WNBA's New York Liberty. All sports related activities were under his jurisdiction, including boxing, college basketball and track & field.

In 2009, Mills left MSG and joined Magic Johnson Enterprises where he helped create the Athletes & Entertainers Wealth Management Group, LLC (A&E).[5] of which he was a partner.[6]

On September 26, 2013, the New York Knicks announced Mills would be the executive vice president and general manager of the organization.[7]

On July 14, 2017, after announcing that Scott Perry would become the Knicks' newest general manager, the Knicks also announced Mills would be the new president of the organization, replacing the role that was previously held by Phil Jackson.

Am I wrong? Seems like Mills first experience with managing the Knicks was when Phil was president.

Think he was a Dolan mouth piece and has been ever since he was hired. With that said, got to give him credit for hiring Perry and Fizdale. Even if it was because Dolan is now telling him to stay out of decisions, or because he is finally able to make his own decisions.

Either way, nothing bad about the two most recent hires.

Here is my take on Mills and its neither positive or negative. He did well while working at with the NBA and was a riser. He did well managing business units (ahem, making money) for MSG and earned Dolan's trust. In 2003 he moved into basketball and almost immediately after assumed a GM type role under Phil. When things with Phil started to spiral one would assume Mills went to Dolan with a basic plan saying I can fix this. Let me hire a real NBA GM, a real NBA coach, lets us draft and build up a sustainable winner offering no easy fixes but one with a reasonable 3-5 year time line. Mills surely promised a drama free environment run by NBA pros and that seems to be the path.

I dont look at this crew with rose colored glasses as some suggest. What do you see happening at MSG? Mudiay, Kanter, Ntilikina, Hardaway, Baker, Dotson, Kornet, Hicks, Burke, Troy Williams, Scott Perry, Fizdale.... I mean what do people see?

True. Agree about the plan. But dont forget that he is still just Dolan's way of keeping tabs on everyone. But again, cant argue with Fiz or Perry. So maybe Dolan has truly learned to stay out of things and relayed it to his watch dog. Problem is, as we know, Dolan is always just moments away from doing something stupid and Mills wont be able to stop him.

As for Knicks and what people see, Unfortunately, think we still have a long long way to go before we are respectable. Grant it, only way to rebuild is through developing young talent and adding good FA pick ups ,when they are ready to compete for something. Unfortunately, we are still at the building young talent phase and I dont feel very confident with our ability to do that. Sure its too early to tell for sure but we dont have a good history of picking AND developing young pieces. (Hopefully Perry and Fiz can change that) Also not confident that we have what we need in terms of young building blocks. I just hope we get luckier this draft (with a break out rookie), KP does not have any lingering issues from injury and that I am wrong about Frank. Its just tough going into yet another season of rebuild and another probable tank year.

Really curious to see what happens with KO and Kanter and if we stay pat in FA. Think Kanter walks for longer deal. KO gets resigned and hoping we dont do another Timmy type signing

I actually think the Knicks have been building a solid development program. It started under Phil with the G League team. Since Perry has come on board with his crew they’ve been working on a new development program with Craig Robinson. Now they add Fiz who is a legit player development coach. Every indication is that this team will be much more equipped to develop our young talent and establish a good culture. F that old negative and fearful attitude. This is looking like a group of men that have figured out what they want to do with this franchise. ☀️😎

GustavBahler wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

fishmike wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Nalod wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Mills talked about accountability, but gave himself a pass for everything since he got here. Cmon Steve, walk it like you talk it.

Mills is only accountable for last season and the time he was President in 2013 when he came after Grunwald was fired (october 2016) and Phil was hired (March 2014). That he worked under Phil who had all final say and was accountable for all things knicks in his tenure.

Bull****. Straight up enabling bull****. Been here too long to get a pass for everything up to the last few years.

Mills was in charge of the operations and business areas... He wasnt involved in managing the Knicks until Phil came in

Mills played professional basketball in Ecuador for a year.[2] He worked for the National Basketball Association for sixteen years beginning in 1984 after having worked at Chemical Bank. Mills ascension while at the NBA was notable. He was an account executive in the corporate sponsorship department of NBA properties and program manager for NBA properties. He became vice-president of special events, after which he was senior vice-president of Basketball and Player Development,[3] Mills then became Chief operating officer and Sports Business President of Madison Square Garden in 2003.[4] His duties at MSG included supervising day-to-day operations, including finances, business strategies of the NBAs New York Knicks, NHL's New York Rangers and the WNBA's New York Liberty. All sports related activities were under his jurisdiction, including boxing, college basketball and track & field.

In 2009, Mills left MSG and joined Magic Johnson Enterprises where he helped create the Athletes & Entertainers Wealth Management Group, LLC (A&E).[5] of which he was a partner.[6]

On September 26, 2013, the New York Knicks announced Mills would be the executive vice president and general manager of the organization.[7]

On July 14, 2017, after announcing that Scott Perry would become the Knicks' newest general manager, the Knicks also announced Mills would be the new president of the organization, replacing the role that was previously held by Phil Jackson.

Am I wrong? Seems like Mills first experience with managing the Knicks was when Phil was president.

He replaced Grunwald who was very involved in roster assembly, hiring coaches etc. He was awful that year in that position.

I will take Magic's word over Isiah's any day of the week. Magic said he recommended Isiah to Mills. Mills had a role in bringing Isiah to NY. Thats when all the starphuching started. Magic gave Mills a job after the first time. Maybe partly for his vote of confidence for Isiah. Dont want to hear that Mills had nothing to do with the losing and the dysfunction.

Coaches tell player. "We win as a team, we lose as a team". Same thing applies to upper mgmt.

Wont even go into the sexual harrassment case the Knicks lost that resulted in his first departure, hostile work environment.

Im all for giving Mills praise for smart moves, but Im not hearing the clock starts now BS. Started a long time ago.

GustavBahler wrote:

fishmike wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

fishmike wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Nalod wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Mills talked about accountability, but gave himself a pass for everything since he got here. Cmon Steve, walk it like you talk it.

Mills is only accountable for last season and the time he was President in 2013 when he came after Grunwald was fired (october 2016) and Phil was hired (March 2014). That he worked under Phil who had all final say and was accountable for all things knicks in his tenure.

Bull****. Straight up enabling bull****. Been here too long to get a pass for everything up to the last few years.

Mills was in charge of the operations and business areas... He wasnt involved in managing the Knicks until Phil came in

Mills played professional basketball in Ecuador for a year.[2] He worked for the National Basketball Association for sixteen years beginning in 1984 after having worked at Chemical Bank. Mills ascension while at the NBA was notable. He was an account executive in the corporate sponsorship department of NBA properties and program manager for NBA properties. He became vice-president of special events, after which he was senior vice-president of Basketball and Player Development,[3] Mills then became Chief operating officer and Sports Business President of Madison Square Garden in 2003.[4] His duties at MSG included supervising day-to-day operations, including finances, business strategies of the NBAs New York Knicks, NHL's New York Rangers and the WNBA's New York Liberty. All sports related activities were under his jurisdiction, including boxing, college basketball and track & field.

In 2009, Mills left MSG and joined Magic Johnson Enterprises where he helped create the Athletes & Entertainers Wealth Management Group, LLC (A&E).[5] of which he was a partner.[6]

On September 26, 2013, the New York Knicks announced Mills would be the executive vice president and general manager of the organization.[7]

On July 14, 2017, after announcing that Scott Perry would become the Knicks' newest general manager, the Knicks also announced Mills would be the new president of the organization, replacing the role that was previously held by Phil Jackson.

Am I wrong? Seems like Mills first experience with managing the Knicks was when Phil was president.

He replaced Grunwald who was very involved in roster assembly, hiring coaches etc. He was awful that year in that position.

I will take Magic's word over Isiah's any day of the week. Magic said he recommended Isiah to Mills. Mills had a role in bringing Isiah to NY. Thats when all the starphuching started. Magic gave Mills a job after the first time. Maybe partly for his vote of confidence for Isiah. Dont want to hear that Mills had nothing to do with the losing and the dysfunction.

Coaches tell player. "We win as a team, we lose as a team". Same thing applies to upper mgmt.

Wont even go into the sexual harrassment case the Knicks lost that resulted in his first departure, hostile work environment.

Im all for giving Mills praise for smart moves, but Im not hearing the clock starts now BS. Started a long time ago.

those are some loosely linked dotted lines man... I am not trying to absolve Mills of anything, only talk about the basketball moves he's made and been directly involved in.

Cold hard facts. Mills was happy to bring Isiah to NY. Its amazing how every time someone points out that not only was Mills around for the many "dumpster fires" he played a role in them. Mills becomes the hapless exec.

When fans ask why is he still here? We get the whole Princeton spiel. Mills was instrumental in bringing Isiah to NY. No amount of spin can change that.

So what do you take of Mills, who is the new face hammering home a totally unKnick like message and moves?
He's hired respected NBA people in Perry and Fiz.
He's repeatedly said the days of trading future assets for short term gains are over.
He's repeatedly promised to build through the draft and development and has quoted a 3-5 year time line for relevance.

Again... I am not trying to absolve Mills or pass him on anything. I will say what we are seeing from the KNicks front office is nothing like the past and is as advertised by the (kinda) new regime.

So what changed? Who is responsible for the new message being broadcasted to season ticket holders? Considering Mills current role is it so outlandish to wonder what level of involvement he had in the past? Maybe he learned better? Honestly I am just asking the question. I have the same facts you have.

Fizdale is a good move but small. Much more telling will be a combo of the draft and what we do with the Kanter/KOQ situations.

fishmike wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

fishmike wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

fishmike wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Nalod wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Mills talked about accountability, but gave himself a pass for everything since he got here. Cmon Steve, walk it like you talk it.

Mills is only accountable for last season and the time he was President in 2013 when he came after Grunwald was fired (october 2016) and Phil was hired (March 2014). That he worked under Phil who had all final say and was accountable for all things knicks in his tenure.

Bull****. Straight up enabling bull****. Been here too long to get a pass for everything up to the last few years.

Mills was in charge of the operations and business areas... He wasnt involved in managing the Knicks until Phil came in

Mills played professional basketball in Ecuador for a year.[2] He worked for the National Basketball Association for sixteen years beginning in 1984 after having worked at Chemical Bank. Mills ascension while at the NBA was notable. He was an account executive in the corporate sponsorship department of NBA properties and program manager for NBA properties. He became vice-president of special events, after which he was senior vice-president of Basketball and Player Development,[3] Mills then became Chief operating officer and Sports Business President of Madison Square Garden in 2003.[4] His duties at MSG included supervising day-to-day operations, including finances, business strategies of the NBAs New York Knicks, NHL's New York Rangers and the WNBA's New York Liberty. All sports related activities were under his jurisdiction, including boxing, college basketball and track & field.

In 2009, Mills left MSG and joined Magic Johnson Enterprises where he helped create the Athletes & Entertainers Wealth Management Group, LLC (A&E).[5] of which he was a partner.[6]

On September 26, 2013, the New York Knicks announced Mills would be the executive vice president and general manager of the organization.[7]

On July 14, 2017, after announcing that Scott Perry would become the Knicks' newest general manager, the Knicks also announced Mills would be the new president of the organization, replacing the role that was previously held by Phil Jackson.

Am I wrong? Seems like Mills first experience with managing the Knicks was when Phil was president.

He replaced Grunwald who was very involved in roster assembly, hiring coaches etc. He was awful that year in that position.

I will take Magic's word over Isiah's any day of the week. Magic said he recommended Isiah to Mills. Mills had a role in bringing Isiah to NY. Thats when all the starphuching started. Magic gave Mills a job after the first time. Maybe partly for his vote of confidence for Isiah. Dont want to hear that Mills had nothing to do with the losing and the dysfunction.

Coaches tell player. "We win as a team, we lose as a team". Same thing applies to upper mgmt.

Wont even go into the sexual harrassment case the Knicks lost that resulted in his first departure, hostile work environment.

Im all for giving Mills praise for smart moves, but Im not hearing the clock starts now BS. Started a long time ago.

those are some loosely linked dotted lines man... I am not trying to absolve Mills of anything, only talk about the basketball moves he's made and been directly involved in.

Cold hard facts. Mills was happy to bring Isiah to NY. Its amazing how every time someone points out that not only was Mills around for the many "dumpster fires" he played a role in them. Mills becomes the hapless exec.

When fans ask why is he still here? We get the whole Princeton spiel. Mills was instrumental in bringing Isiah to NY. No amount of spin can change that.

Well thats a ****ty basketball move... but was Isiah that bad a hire? I mean at the actual time... his coaching was decent with Pacers... His work drafting and building that Toronto team was decent... Obviously Isiah's time here ranks highest among worst ever in pro sports, but we are talking about Isiah the hire, not Isiah the GM.

So what do you take of Mills, who is the new face hammering home a totally unKnick like message and moves?
He's hired respected NBA people in Perry and Fiz.
He's repeatedly said the days of trading future assets for short term gains are over.
He's repeatedly promised to build through the draft and development and has quoted a 3-5 year time line for relevance.

Again... I am not trying to absolve Mills or pass him on anything. I will say what we are seeing from the KNicks front office is nothing like the past and is as advertised by the (kinda) new regime.

So what changed? Who is responsible for the new message being broadcasted to season ticket holders? Considering Mills current role is it so outlandish to wonder what level of involvement he had in the past? Maybe he learned better? Honestly I am just asking the question. I have the same facts you have.

Fizdale is a good move but small. Much more telling will be a combo of the draft and what we do with the Kanter/KOQ situations.

Ha Ha

Three wks before JH got fired(when i told he would months prior..again) I said we need to have a culture like Miami and you said I didn't know what i was talking about(again) and guess what, we will be building a culture like miami..

You also said i was ridiculous for thinking the knicks should have signed Rondo (instead of baker and jack) and rondo(3 mill one yr contract) turned out to be one of the best things that happen to the pelicans,they praised him.

The knicks haven't traded anyone for short term gains since I Thomas. We did give up a lot for melo, but he was here for 6 yrs, the longest tenure since EWING oak and starks.

Fiz hire was a complete no brainer, 5 other presidents wanted him. Mill and perry haven't don't anything impressive to date, the little faith i had in them further dipped at the trade deadline. They haven't done anything too bad, but that haven't done anything great either.

take my word on this...BURKE and THJ (if healthy)are going to be the keys to success next season....Not frank and KP.

Mills is smoking crack if he thinks he is going to survive another losing season.

Who looks good when your team has losing streaks of 7, 8, 9, 10 game

2. Rondo to the knicks would not be the same as his play and effect to what he is doing now. After a few dismal seasons your boasting about Rondo in the pelicans. Do you get Dallas and SAC Rondo or this good playoff version of Rondo? Put him on a young team that is finding itself? You obviously don’t know much about Rondo. He posesses great talent and thats never been disputed but the very aspect to his personality that makes him brilliant is very much a problem for teams when things are not in order. Your lack of knowledge exposes you as underinformed.

3. Mills is not getting fired this season for any reason unless he abuses women, has a drug problem, or robs a bank.

But I think he has gotten it - removed himself from the day to day.

His first hire, Phil, was garbage, but true to his word, he gave Phil space to build and try to succeed.

When Phil's failure became painfully obviously, he removed him and went a more traditional route of finding a GM.

They proved their competence with their extensive search and they've hired a great coach.

I have nothing to complain about.

I have hope going forward that they have realistic expectations about building a winning basketball program.

That is all any of us can ask for.

Cartman718 wrote:with fizdale and craig robinson, we now have african american management pretty much top to bottom. i hope that next year's off season attracts some FAs based on working for an AA management as well KP's return, Frank's, new draftee's and Mudiay's development

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knicks1248 wrote:

Cartman718 wrote:with fizdale and craig robinson, we now have african american management pretty much top to bottom. i hope that next year's off season attracts some FAs based on working for an AA management as well KP's return, Frank's, new draftee's and Mudiay's development

They all voted for trump

Don't quit your day job.