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GustavBahler
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5/8/2018  9:09 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
fishmike wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
Nalod wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:Mills talked about accountability, but gave himself a pass for everything since he got here. Cmon Steve, walk it like you talk it.

Mills is only accountable for last season and the time he was President in 2013 when he came after Grunwald was fired (october 2016) and Phil was hired (March 2014). That he worked under Phil who had all final say and was accountable for all things knicks in his tenure.

Bull****. Straight up enabling bull****. Been here too long to get a pass for everything up to the last few years.

Mills was in charge of the operations and business areas... He wasnt involved in managing the Knicks until Phil came in

Mills played professional basketball in Ecuador for a year.[2] He worked for the National Basketball Association for sixteen years beginning in 1984 after having worked at Chemical Bank. Mills ascension while at the NBA was notable. He was an account executive in the corporate sponsorship department of NBA properties and program manager for NBA properties. He became vice-president of special events, after which he was senior vice-president of Basketball and Player Development,[3] Mills then became Chief operating officer and Sports Business President of Madison Square Garden in 2003.[4] His duties at MSG included supervising day-to-day operations, including finances, business strategies of the NBAs New York Knicks, NHL's New York Rangers and the WNBA's New York Liberty. All sports related activities were under his jurisdiction, including boxing, college basketball and track & field.

In 2009, Mills left MSG and joined Magic Johnson Enterprises where he helped create the Athletes & Entertainers Wealth Management Group, LLC (A&E).[5] of which he was a partner.[6]

On September 26, 2013, the New York Knicks announced Mills would be the executive vice president and general manager of the organization.[7]

On July 14, 2017, after announcing that Scott Perry would become the Knicks' newest general manager, the Knicks also announced Mills would be the new president of the organization, replacing the role that was previously held by Phil Jackson.


Am I wrong? Seems like Mills first experience with managing the Knicks was when Phil was president.
He replaced Grunwald who was very involved in roster assembly, hiring coaches etc. He was awful that year in that position.

I will take Magic's word over Isiah's any day of the week. Magic said he recommended Isiah to Mills. Mills had a role in bringing Isiah to NY. Thats when all the starphuching started. Magic gave Mills a job after the first time. Maybe partly for his vote of confidence for Isiah. Dont want to hear that Mills had nothing to do with the losing and the dysfunction.

Coaches tell player. "We win as a team, we lose as a team". Same thing applies to upper mgmt.

Wont even go into the sexual harrassment case the Knicks lost that resulted in his first departure, hostile work environment.

Im all for giving Mills praise for smart moves, but Im not hearing the clock starts now BS. Started a long time ago.

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5/8/2018  9:10 PM
HofstraBBall wrote:
fishmike wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
fishmike wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
Nalod wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:Mills talked about accountability, but gave himself a pass for everything since he got here. Cmon Steve, walk it like you talk it.

Mills is only accountable for last season and the time he was President in 2013 when he came after Grunwald was fired (october 2016) and Phil was hired (March 2014). That he worked under Phil who had all final say and was accountable for all things knicks in his tenure.

Bull****. Straight up enabling bull****. Been here too long to get a pass for everything up to the last few years.

Mills was in charge of the operations and business areas... He wasnt involved in managing the Knicks until Phil came in

Mills played professional basketball in Ecuador for a year.[2] He worked for the National Basketball Association for sixteen years beginning in 1984 after having worked at Chemical Bank. Mills ascension while at the NBA was notable. He was an account executive in the corporate sponsorship department of NBA properties and program manager for NBA properties. He became vice-president of special events, after which he was senior vice-president of Basketball and Player Development,[3] Mills then became Chief operating officer and Sports Business President of Madison Square Garden in 2003.[4] His duties at MSG included supervising day-to-day operations, including finances, business strategies of the NBAs New York Knicks, NHL's New York Rangers and the WNBA's New York Liberty. All sports related activities were under his jurisdiction, including boxing, college basketball and track & field.

In 2009, Mills left MSG and joined Magic Johnson Enterprises where he helped create the Athletes & Entertainers Wealth Management Group, LLC (A&E).[5] of which he was a partner.[6]

On September 26, 2013, the New York Knicks announced Mills would be the executive vice president and general manager of the organization.[7]

On July 14, 2017, after announcing that Scott Perry would become the Knicks' newest general manager, the Knicks also announced Mills would be the new president of the organization, replacing the role that was previously held by Phil Jackson.


Am I wrong? Seems like Mills first experience with managing the Knicks was when Phil was president.

Think he was a Dolan mouth piece and has been ever since he was hired. With that said, got to give him credit for hiring Perry and Fizdale. Even if it was because Dolan is now telling him to stay out of decisions, or because he is finally able to make his own decisions.

Either way, nothing bad about the two most recent hires.

Here is my take on Mills and its neither positive or negative. He did well while working at with the NBA and was a riser. He did well managing business units (ahem, making money) for MSG and earned Dolan's trust. In 2003 he moved into basketball and almost immediately after assumed a GM type role under Phil. When things with Phil started to spiral one would assume Mills went to Dolan with a basic plan saying I can fix this. Let me hire a real NBA GM, a real NBA coach, lets us draft and build up a sustainable winner offering no easy fixes but one with a reasonable 3-5 year time line. Mills surely promised a drama free environment run by NBA pros and that seems to be the path.

I dont look at this crew with rose colored glasses as some suggest. What do you see happening at MSG? Mudiay, Kanter, Ntilikina, Hardaway, Baker, Dotson, Kornet, Hicks, Burke, Troy Williams, Scott Perry, Fizdale.... I mean what do people see?

True. Agree about the plan. But dont forget that he is still just Dolan's way of keeping tabs on everyone. But again, cant argue with Fiz or Perry. So maybe Dolan has truly learned to stay out of things and relayed it to his watch dog. Problem is, as we know, Dolan is always just moments away from doing something stupid and Mills wont be able to stop him.

As for Knicks and what people see, Unfortunately, think we still have a long long way to go before we are respectable. Grant it, only way to rebuild is through developing young talent and adding good FA pick ups ,when they are ready to compete for something. Unfortunately, we are still at the building young talent phase and I dont feel very confident with our ability to do that. Sure its too early to tell for sure but we dont have a good history of picking AND developing young pieces. (Hopefully Perry and Fiz can change that) Also not confident that we have what we need in terms of young building blocks. I just hope we get luckier this draft (with a break out rookie), KP does not have any lingering issues from injury and that I am wrong about Frank. Its just tough going into yet another season of rebuild and another probable tank year.

Really curious to see what happens with KO and Kanter and if we stay pat in FA. Think Kanter walks for longer deal. KO gets resigned and hoping we dont do another Timmy type signing

I actually think the Knicks have been building a solid development program. It started under Phil with the G League team. Since Perry has come on board with his crew they’ve been working on a new development program with Craig Robinson. Now they add Fiz who is a legit player development coach. Every indication is that this team will be much more equipped to develop our young talent and establish a good culture. F that old negative and fearful attitude. This is looking like a group of men that have figured out what they want to do with this franchise. ☀️😎

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5/9/2018  3:06 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
fishmike wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
Nalod wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:Mills talked about accountability, but gave himself a pass for everything since he got here. Cmon Steve, walk it like you talk it.

Mills is only accountable for last season and the time he was President in 2013 when he came after Grunwald was fired (october 2016) and Phil was hired (March 2014). That he worked under Phil who had all final say and was accountable for all things knicks in his tenure.

Bull****. Straight up enabling bull****. Been here too long to get a pass for everything up to the last few years.

Mills was in charge of the operations and business areas... He wasnt involved in managing the Knicks until Phil came in

Mills played professional basketball in Ecuador for a year.[2] He worked for the National Basketball Association for sixteen years beginning in 1984 after having worked at Chemical Bank. Mills ascension while at the NBA was notable. He was an account executive in the corporate sponsorship department of NBA properties and program manager for NBA properties. He became vice-president of special events, after which he was senior vice-president of Basketball and Player Development,[3] Mills then became Chief operating officer and Sports Business President of Madison Square Garden in 2003.[4] His duties at MSG included supervising day-to-day operations, including finances, business strategies of the NBAs New York Knicks, NHL's New York Rangers and the WNBA's New York Liberty. All sports related activities were under his jurisdiction, including boxing, college basketball and track & field.

In 2009, Mills left MSG and joined Magic Johnson Enterprises where he helped create the Athletes & Entertainers Wealth Management Group, LLC (A&E).[5] of which he was a partner.[6]

On September 26, 2013, the New York Knicks announced Mills would be the executive vice president and general manager of the organization.[7]

On July 14, 2017, after announcing that Scott Perry would become the Knicks' newest general manager, the Knicks also announced Mills would be the new president of the organization, replacing the role that was previously held by Phil Jackson.


Am I wrong? Seems like Mills first experience with managing the Knicks was when Phil was president.
He replaced Grunwald who was very involved in roster assembly, hiring coaches etc. He was awful that year in that position.
How so? What were his bad moves?
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5/9/2018  3:10 PM
GustavBahler wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
fishmike wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
Nalod wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:Mills talked about accountability, but gave himself a pass for everything since he got here. Cmon Steve, walk it like you talk it.

Mills is only accountable for last season and the time he was President in 2013 when he came after Grunwald was fired (october 2016) and Phil was hired (March 2014). That he worked under Phil who had all final say and was accountable for all things knicks in his tenure.

Bull****. Straight up enabling bull****. Been here too long to get a pass for everything up to the last few years.

Mills was in charge of the operations and business areas... He wasnt involved in managing the Knicks until Phil came in

Mills played professional basketball in Ecuador for a year.[2] He worked for the National Basketball Association for sixteen years beginning in 1984 after having worked at Chemical Bank. Mills ascension while at the NBA was notable. He was an account executive in the corporate sponsorship department of NBA properties and program manager for NBA properties. He became vice-president of special events, after which he was senior vice-president of Basketball and Player Development,[3] Mills then became Chief operating officer and Sports Business President of Madison Square Garden in 2003.[4] His duties at MSG included supervising day-to-day operations, including finances, business strategies of the NBAs New York Knicks, NHL's New York Rangers and the WNBA's New York Liberty. All sports related activities were under his jurisdiction, including boxing, college basketball and track & field.

In 2009, Mills left MSG and joined Magic Johnson Enterprises where he helped create the Athletes & Entertainers Wealth Management Group, LLC (A&E).[5] of which he was a partner.[6]

On September 26, 2013, the New York Knicks announced Mills would be the executive vice president and general manager of the organization.[7]

On July 14, 2017, after announcing that Scott Perry would become the Knicks' newest general manager, the Knicks also announced Mills would be the new president of the organization, replacing the role that was previously held by Phil Jackson.


Am I wrong? Seems like Mills first experience with managing the Knicks was when Phil was president.
He replaced Grunwald who was very involved in roster assembly, hiring coaches etc. He was awful that year in that position.

I will take Magic's word over Isiah's any day of the week. Magic said he recommended Isiah to Mills. Mills had a role in bringing Isiah to NY. Thats when all the starphuching started. Magic gave Mills a job after the first time. Maybe partly for his vote of confidence for Isiah. Dont want to hear that Mills had nothing to do with the losing and the dysfunction.

Coaches tell player. "We win as a team, we lose as a team". Same thing applies to upper mgmt.

Wont even go into the sexual harrassment case the Knicks lost that resulted in his first departure, hostile work environment.

Im all for giving Mills praise for smart moves, but Im not hearing the clock starts now BS. Started a long time ago.

those are some loosely linked dotted lines man... I am not trying to absolve Mills of anything, only talk about the basketball moves he's made and been directly involved in.
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5/9/2018  3:19 PM
fishmike wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
fishmike wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
Nalod wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:Mills talked about accountability, but gave himself a pass for everything since he got here. Cmon Steve, walk it like you talk it.

Mills is only accountable for last season and the time he was President in 2013 when he came after Grunwald was fired (october 2016) and Phil was hired (March 2014). That he worked under Phil who had all final say and was accountable for all things knicks in his tenure.

Bull****. Straight up enabling bull****. Been here too long to get a pass for everything up to the last few years.

Mills was in charge of the operations and business areas... He wasnt involved in managing the Knicks until Phil came in

Mills played professional basketball in Ecuador for a year.[2] He worked for the National Basketball Association for sixteen years beginning in 1984 after having worked at Chemical Bank. Mills ascension while at the NBA was notable. He was an account executive in the corporate sponsorship department of NBA properties and program manager for NBA properties. He became vice-president of special events, after which he was senior vice-president of Basketball and Player Development,[3] Mills then became Chief operating officer and Sports Business President of Madison Square Garden in 2003.[4] His duties at MSG included supervising day-to-day operations, including finances, business strategies of the NBAs New York Knicks, NHL's New York Rangers and the WNBA's New York Liberty. All sports related activities were under his jurisdiction, including boxing, college basketball and track & field.

In 2009, Mills left MSG and joined Magic Johnson Enterprises where he helped create the Athletes & Entertainers Wealth Management Group, LLC (A&E).[5] of which he was a partner.[6]

On September 26, 2013, the New York Knicks announced Mills would be the executive vice president and general manager of the organization.[7]

On July 14, 2017, after announcing that Scott Perry would become the Knicks' newest general manager, the Knicks also announced Mills would be the new president of the organization, replacing the role that was previously held by Phil Jackson.


Am I wrong? Seems like Mills first experience with managing the Knicks was when Phil was president.
He replaced Grunwald who was very involved in roster assembly, hiring coaches etc. He was awful that year in that position.

I will take Magic's word over Isiah's any day of the week. Magic said he recommended Isiah to Mills. Mills had a role in bringing Isiah to NY. Thats when all the starphuching started. Magic gave Mills a job after the first time. Maybe partly for his vote of confidence for Isiah. Dont want to hear that Mills had nothing to do with the losing and the dysfunction.

Coaches tell player. "We win as a team, we lose as a team". Same thing applies to upper mgmt.

Wont even go into the sexual harrassment case the Knicks lost that resulted in his first departure, hostile work environment.

Im all for giving Mills praise for smart moves, but Im not hearing the clock starts now BS. Started a long time ago.

those are some loosely linked dotted lines man... I am not trying to absolve Mills of anything, only talk about the basketball moves he's made and been directly involved in.

Cold hard facts. Mills was happy to bring Isiah to NY. Its amazing how every time someone points out that not only was Mills around for the many "dumpster fires" he played a role in them. Mills becomes the hapless exec.

When fans ask why is he still here? We get the whole Princeton spiel. Mills was instrumental in bringing Isiah to NY. No amount of spin can change that.

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5/9/2018  4:19 PM
GustavBahler wrote:
fishmike wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
fishmike wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
Nalod wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:Mills talked about accountability, but gave himself a pass for everything since he got here. Cmon Steve, walk it like you talk it.

Mills is only accountable for last season and the time he was President in 2013 when he came after Grunwald was fired (october 2016) and Phil was hired (March 2014). That he worked under Phil who had all final say and was accountable for all things knicks in his tenure.

Bull****. Straight up enabling bull****. Been here too long to get a pass for everything up to the last few years.

Mills was in charge of the operations and business areas... He wasnt involved in managing the Knicks until Phil came in

Mills played professional basketball in Ecuador for a year.[2] He worked for the National Basketball Association for sixteen years beginning in 1984 after having worked at Chemical Bank. Mills ascension while at the NBA was notable. He was an account executive in the corporate sponsorship department of NBA properties and program manager for NBA properties. He became vice-president of special events, after which he was senior vice-president of Basketball and Player Development,[3] Mills then became Chief operating officer and Sports Business President of Madison Square Garden in 2003.[4] His duties at MSG included supervising day-to-day operations, including finances, business strategies of the NBAs New York Knicks, NHL's New York Rangers and the WNBA's New York Liberty. All sports related activities were under his jurisdiction, including boxing, college basketball and track & field.

In 2009, Mills left MSG and joined Magic Johnson Enterprises where he helped create the Athletes & Entertainers Wealth Management Group, LLC (A&E).[5] of which he was a partner.[6]

On September 26, 2013, the New York Knicks announced Mills would be the executive vice president and general manager of the organization.[7]

On July 14, 2017, after announcing that Scott Perry would become the Knicks' newest general manager, the Knicks also announced Mills would be the new president of the organization, replacing the role that was previously held by Phil Jackson.


Am I wrong? Seems like Mills first experience with managing the Knicks was when Phil was president.
He replaced Grunwald who was very involved in roster assembly, hiring coaches etc. He was awful that year in that position.

I will take Magic's word over Isiah's any day of the week. Magic said he recommended Isiah to Mills. Mills had a role in bringing Isiah to NY. Thats when all the starphuching started. Magic gave Mills a job after the first time. Maybe partly for his vote of confidence for Isiah. Dont want to hear that Mills had nothing to do with the losing and the dysfunction.

Coaches tell player. "We win as a team, we lose as a team". Same thing applies to upper mgmt.

Wont even go into the sexual harrassment case the Knicks lost that resulted in his first departure, hostile work environment.

Im all for giving Mills praise for smart moves, but Im not hearing the clock starts now BS. Started a long time ago.

those are some loosely linked dotted lines man... I am not trying to absolve Mills of anything, only talk about the basketball moves he's made and been directly involved in.

Cold hard facts. Mills was happy to bring Isiah to NY. Its amazing how every time someone points out that not only was Mills around for the many "dumpster fires" he played a role in them. Mills becomes the hapless exec.

When fans ask why is he still here? We get the whole Princeton spiel. Mills was instrumental in bringing Isiah to NY. No amount of spin can change that.

Well thats a ****ty basketball move... but was Isiah that bad a hire? I mean at the actual time... his coaching was decent with Pacers... His work drafting and building that Toronto team was decent... Obviously Isiah's time here ranks highest among worst ever in pro sports, but we are talking about Isiah the hire, not Isiah the GM.

So what do you take of Mills, who is the new face hammering home a totally unKnick like message and moves?
He's hired respected NBA people in Perry and Fiz.
He's repeatedly said the days of trading future assets for short term gains are over.
He's repeatedly promised to build through the draft and development and has quoted a 3-5 year time line for relevance.

Again... I am not trying to absolve Mills or pass him on anything. I will say what we are seeing from the KNicks front office is nothing like the past and is as advertised by the (kinda) new regime.

So what changed? Who is responsible for the new message being broadcasted to season ticket holders? Considering Mills current role is it so outlandish to wonder what level of involvement he had in the past? Maybe he learned better? Honestly I am just asking the question. I have the same facts you have.

Fizdale is a good move but small. Much more telling will be a combo of the draft and what we do with the Kanter/KOQ situations.

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5/9/2018  6:53 PM    LAST EDITED: 5/9/2018  7:02 PM
fishmike wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
fishmike wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
fishmike wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
Nalod wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:Mills talked about accountability, but gave himself a pass for everything since he got here. Cmon Steve, walk it like you talk it.

Mills is only accountable for last season and the time he was President in 2013 when he came after Grunwald was fired (october 2016) and Phil was hired (March 2014). That he worked under Phil who had all final say and was accountable for all things knicks in his tenure.

Bull****. Straight up enabling bull****. Been here too long to get a pass for everything up to the last few years.

Mills was in charge of the operations and business areas... He wasnt involved in managing the Knicks until Phil came in

Mills played professional basketball in Ecuador for a year.[2] He worked for the National Basketball Association for sixteen years beginning in 1984 after having worked at Chemical Bank. Mills ascension while at the NBA was notable. He was an account executive in the corporate sponsorship department of NBA properties and program manager for NBA properties. He became vice-president of special events, after which he was senior vice-president of Basketball and Player Development,[3] Mills then became Chief operating officer and Sports Business President of Madison Square Garden in 2003.[4] His duties at MSG included supervising day-to-day operations, including finances, business strategies of the NBAs New York Knicks, NHL's New York Rangers and the WNBA's New York Liberty. All sports related activities were under his jurisdiction, including boxing, college basketball and track & field.

In 2009, Mills left MSG and joined Magic Johnson Enterprises where he helped create the Athletes & Entertainers Wealth Management Group, LLC (A&E).[5] of which he was a partner.[6]

On September 26, 2013, the New York Knicks announced Mills would be the executive vice president and general manager of the organization.[7]

On July 14, 2017, after announcing that Scott Perry would become the Knicks' newest general manager, the Knicks also announced Mills would be the new president of the organization, replacing the role that was previously held by Phil Jackson.


Am I wrong? Seems like Mills first experience with managing the Knicks was when Phil was president.
He replaced Grunwald who was very involved in roster assembly, hiring coaches etc. He was awful that year in that position.

I will take Magic's word over Isiah's any day of the week. Magic said he recommended Isiah to Mills. Mills had a role in bringing Isiah to NY. Thats when all the starphuching started. Magic gave Mills a job after the first time. Maybe partly for his vote of confidence for Isiah. Dont want to hear that Mills had nothing to do with the losing and the dysfunction.

Coaches tell player. "We win as a team, we lose as a team". Same thing applies to upper mgmt.

Wont even go into the sexual harrassment case the Knicks lost that resulted in his first departure, hostile work environment.

Im all for giving Mills praise for smart moves, but Im not hearing the clock starts now BS. Started a long time ago.

those are some loosely linked dotted lines man... I am not trying to absolve Mills of anything, only talk about the basketball moves he's made and been directly involved in.

Cold hard facts. Mills was happy to bring Isiah to NY. Its amazing how every time someone points out that not only was Mills around for the many "dumpster fires" he played a role in them. Mills becomes the hapless exec.

When fans ask why is he still here? We get the whole Princeton spiel. Mills was instrumental in bringing Isiah to NY. No amount of spin can change that.

Well thats a ****ty basketball move... but was Isiah that bad a hire? I mean at the actual time... his coaching was decent with Pacers... His work drafting and building that Toronto team was decent... Obviously Isiah's time here ranks highest among worst ever in pro sports, but we are talking about Isiah the hire, not Isiah the GM.

So what do you take of Mills, who is the new face hammering home a totally unKnick like message and moves?
He's hired respected NBA people in Perry and Fiz.
He's repeatedly said the days of trading future assets for short term gains are over.
He's repeatedly promised to build through the draft and development and has quoted a 3-5 year time line for relevance.

Again... I am not trying to absolve Mills or pass him on anything. I will say what we are seeing from the KNicks front office is nothing like the past and is as advertised by the (kinda) new regime.

So what changed? Who is responsible for the new message being broadcasted to season ticket holders? Considering Mills current role is it so outlandish to wonder what level of involvement he had in the past? Maybe he learned better? Honestly I am just asking the question. I have the same facts you have.

Fizdale is a good move but small. Much more telling will be a combo of the draft and what we do with the Kanter/KOQ situations.

Doesnt matter what Mills thought Isiah could do for the Knicks, its what he did that we should evaluate. Worst exec the Knicks have hired in the last 50 years, if not ever.

This convo started because another poster thought I was wrong to hold Mills responsible for his decisions as an executive. Mills spoke at lenghth about accountability, witbout acknowledging that he played a part in some very bad decisions.

Something to the effect of "Ive been with the Knicks a long time, and I have to learn from my mistakes as well."

What bothered me was Mills acting like he's been an innocent bystander to all the losing and dysfunction for the better part of 20 years. Thats not accountability.

Dont need to tell me what Mills has gotten right, because Im usually one of the first to point it out.

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5/9/2018  7:11 PM
fishmike wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
fishmike wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
fishmike wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
Nalod wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:Mills talked about accountability, but gave himself a pass for everything since he got here. Cmon Steve, walk it like you talk it.

Mills is only accountable for last season and the time he was President in 2013 when he came after Grunwald was fired (october 2016) and Phil was hired (March 2014). That he worked under Phil who had all final say and was accountable for all things knicks in his tenure.

Bull****. Straight up enabling bull****. Been here too long to get a pass for everything up to the last few years.

Mills was in charge of the operations and business areas... He wasnt involved in managing the Knicks until Phil came in

Mills played professional basketball in Ecuador for a year.[2] He worked for the National Basketball Association for sixteen years beginning in 1984 after having worked at Chemical Bank. Mills ascension while at the NBA was notable. He was an account executive in the corporate sponsorship department of NBA properties and program manager for NBA properties. He became vice-president of special events, after which he was senior vice-president of Basketball and Player Development,[3] Mills then became Chief operating officer and Sports Business President of Madison Square Garden in 2003.[4] His duties at MSG included supervising day-to-day operations, including finances, business strategies of the NBAs New York Knicks, NHL's New York Rangers and the WNBA's New York Liberty. All sports related activities were under his jurisdiction, including boxing, college basketball and track & field.

In 2009, Mills left MSG and joined Magic Johnson Enterprises where he helped create the Athletes & Entertainers Wealth Management Group, LLC (A&E).[5] of which he was a partner.[6]

On September 26, 2013, the New York Knicks announced Mills would be the executive vice president and general manager of the organization.[7]

On July 14, 2017, after announcing that Scott Perry would become the Knicks' newest general manager, the Knicks also announced Mills would be the new president of the organization, replacing the role that was previously held by Phil Jackson.


Am I wrong? Seems like Mills first experience with managing the Knicks was when Phil was president.
He replaced Grunwald who was very involved in roster assembly, hiring coaches etc. He was awful that year in that position.

I will take Magic's word over Isiah's any day of the week. Magic said he recommended Isiah to Mills. Mills had a role in bringing Isiah to NY. Thats when all the starphuching started. Magic gave Mills a job after the first time. Maybe partly for his vote of confidence for Isiah. Dont want to hear that Mills had nothing to do with the losing and the dysfunction.

Coaches tell player. "We win as a team, we lose as a team". Same thing applies to upper mgmt.

Wont even go into the sexual harrassment case the Knicks lost that resulted in his first departure, hostile work environment.

Im all for giving Mills praise for smart moves, but Im not hearing the clock starts now BS. Started a long time ago.

those are some loosely linked dotted lines man... I am not trying to absolve Mills of anything, only talk about the basketball moves he's made and been directly involved in.

Cold hard facts. Mills was happy to bring Isiah to NY. Its amazing how every time someone points out that not only was Mills around for the many "dumpster fires" he played a role in them. Mills becomes the hapless exec.

When fans ask why is he still here? We get the whole Princeton spiel. Mills was instrumental in bringing Isiah to NY. No amount of spin can change that.

Well thats a ****ty basketball move... but was Isiah that bad a hire? I mean at the actual time... his coaching was decent with Pacers... His work drafting and building that Toronto team was decent... Obviously Isiah's time here ranks highest among worst ever in pro sports, but we are talking about Isiah the hire, not Isiah the GM.

So what do you take of Mills, who is the new face hammering home a totally unKnick like message and moves?
He's hired respected NBA people in Perry and Fiz.
He's repeatedly said the days of trading future assets for short term gains are over.
He's repeatedly promised to build through the draft and development and has quoted a 3-5 year time line for relevance.

Again... I am not trying to absolve Mills or pass him on anything. I will say what we are seeing from the KNicks front office is nothing like the past and is as advertised by the (kinda) new regime.

So what changed? Who is responsible for the new message being broadcasted to season ticket holders? Considering Mills current role is it so outlandish to wonder what level of involvement he had in the past? Maybe he learned better? Honestly I am just asking the question. I have the same facts you have.

Fizdale is a good move but small. Much more telling will be a combo of the draft and what we do with the Kanter/KOQ situations.


Ha Ha

Three wks before JH got fired(when i told he would months prior..again) I said we need to have a culture like Miami and you said I didn't know what i was talking about(again) and guess what, we will be building a culture like miami..

You also said i was ridiculous for thinking the knicks should have signed Rondo (instead of baker and jack) and rondo(3 mill one yr contract) turned out to be one of the best things that happen to the pelicans,they praised him.

The knicks haven't traded anyone for short term gains since I Thomas. We did give up a lot for melo, but he was here for 6 yrs, the longest tenure since EWING oak and starks.

Fiz hire was a complete no brainer, 5 other presidents wanted him. Mill and perry haven't don't anything impressive to date, the little faith i had in them further dipped at the trade deadline. They haven't done anything too bad, but that haven't done anything great either.

take my word on this...BURKE and THJ (if healthy)are going to be the keys to success next season....Not frank and KP.

Mills is smoking crack if he thinks he is going to survive another losing season.

Who looks good when your team has losing streaks of 7, 8, 9, 10 game

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fishmike wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
fishmike wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
fishmike wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
Nalod wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:Mills talked about accountability, but gave himself a pass for everything since he got here. Cmon Steve, walk it like you talk it.

Mills is only accountable for last season and the time he was President in 2013 when he came after Grunwald was fired (october 2016) and Phil was hired (March 2014). That he worked under Phil who had all final say and was accountable for all things knicks in his tenure.

Bull****. Straight up enabling bull****. Been here too long to get a pass for everything up to the last few years.

Mills was in charge of the operations and business areas... He wasnt involved in managing the Knicks until Phil came in

Mills played professional basketball in Ecuador for a year.[2] He worked for the National Basketball Association for sixteen years beginning in 1984 after having worked at Chemical Bank. Mills ascension while at the NBA was notable. He was an account executive in the corporate sponsorship department of NBA properties and program manager for NBA properties. He became vice-president of special events, after which he was senior vice-president of Basketball and Player Development,[3] Mills then became Chief operating officer and Sports Business President of Madison Square Garden in 2003.[4] His duties at MSG included supervising day-to-day operations, including finances, business strategies of the NBAs New York Knicks, NHL's New York Rangers and the WNBA's New York Liberty. All sports related activities were under his jurisdiction, including boxing, college basketball and track & field.

In 2009, Mills left MSG and joined Magic Johnson Enterprises where he helped create the Athletes & Entertainers Wealth Management Group, LLC (A&E).[5] of which he was a partner.[6]

On September 26, 2013, the New York Knicks announced Mills would be the executive vice president and general manager of the organization.[7]

On July 14, 2017, after announcing that Scott Perry would become the Knicks' newest general manager, the Knicks also announced Mills would be the new president of the organization, replacing the role that was previously held by Phil Jackson.


Am I wrong? Seems like Mills first experience with managing the Knicks was when Phil was president.
He replaced Grunwald who was very involved in roster assembly, hiring coaches etc. He was awful that year in that position.

I will take Magic's word over Isiah's any day of the week. Magic said he recommended Isiah to Mills. Mills had a role in bringing Isiah to NY. Thats when all the starphuching started. Magic gave Mills a job after the first time. Maybe partly for his vote of confidence for Isiah. Dont want to hear that Mills had nothing to do with the losing and the dysfunction.

Coaches tell player. "We win as a team, we lose as a team". Same thing applies to upper mgmt.

Wont even go into the sexual harrassment case the Knicks lost that resulted in his first departure, hostile work environment.

Im all for giving Mills praise for smart moves, but Im not hearing the clock starts now BS. Started a long time ago.

those are some loosely linked dotted lines man... I am not trying to absolve Mills of anything, only talk about the basketball moves he's made and been directly involved in.

Cold hard facts. Mills was happy to bring Isiah to NY. Its amazing how every time someone points out that not only was Mills around for the many "dumpster fires" he played a role in them. Mills becomes the hapless exec.

When fans ask why is he still here? We get the whole Princeton spiel. Mills was instrumental in bringing Isiah to NY. No amount of spin can change that.

Well thats a ****ty basketball move... but was Isiah that bad a hire? I mean at the actual time... his coaching was decent with Pacers... His work drafting and building that Toronto team was decent... Obviously Isiah's time here ranks highest among worst ever in pro sports, but we are talking about Isiah the hire, not Isiah the GM.

So what do you take of Mills, who is the new face hammering home a totally unKnick like message and moves?
He's hired respected NBA people in Perry and Fiz.
He's repeatedly said the days of trading future assets for short term gains are over.
He's repeatedly promised to build through the draft and development and has quoted a 3-5 year time line for relevance.

Again... I am not trying to absolve Mills or pass him on anything. I will say what we are seeing from the KNicks front office is nothing like the past and is as advertised by the (kinda) new regime.

So what changed? Who is responsible for the new message being broadcasted to season ticket holders? Considering Mills current role is it so outlandish to wonder what level of involvement he had in the past? Maybe he learned better? Honestly I am just asking the question. I have the same facts you have.

Fizdale is a good move but small. Much more telling will be a combo of the draft and what we do with the Kanter/KOQ situations.


Ha Ha

Three wks before JH got fired(when i told he would months prior..again) I said we need to have a culture like Miami and you said I didn't know what i was talking about(again) and guess what, we will be building a culture like miami..

You also said i was ridiculous for thinking the knicks should have signed Rondo (instead of baker and jack) and rondo(3 mill one yr contract) turned out to be one of the best things that happen to the pelicans,they praised him.

The knicks haven't traded anyone for short term gains since I Thomas. We did give up a lot for melo, but he was here for 6 yrs, the longest tenure since EWING oak and starks.

Fiz hire was a complete no brainer, 5 other presidents wanted him. Mill and perry haven't don't anything impressive to date, the little faith i had in them further dipped at the trade deadline. They haven't done anything too bad, but that haven't done anything great either.

take my word on this...BURKE and THJ (if healthy)are going to be the keys to success next season....Not frank and KP.

Mills is smoking crack if he thinks he is going to survive another losing season.

Who looks good when your team has losing streaks of 7, 8, 9, 10 game

Im sorry... are you saying that Mills is making moves to improve the culture?
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1. Your going to have to Do a bit of research on hire dates of Mills and Isiah, and find a direct quote that shows Mills alone hired him. I can see a scenario that he might have been part of the process.

2. Rondo to the knicks would not be the same as his play and effect to what he is doing now. After a few dismal seasons your boasting about Rondo in the pelicans. Do you get Dallas and SAC Rondo or this good playoff version of Rondo? Put him on a young team that is finding itself? You obviously don’t know much about Rondo. He posesses great talent and thats never been disputed but the very aspect to his personality that makes him brilliant is very much a problem for teams when things are not in order. Your lack of knowledge exposes you as underinformed.

3. Mills is not getting fired this season for any reason unless he abuses women, has a drug problem, or robs a bank.

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I'm interested in how Larry Brown still is talking up Mudiay... and how Fizdale was hyping him up as well during his introduction press conference - it's kind of funny, but looking at him, he's got a natural muscular build. Mudiay is much more Lebron James than Carmelo Anthony in that respect. But then saying how a guy who already looks beefy like that needs to get into elite shape, I'm like whaaaat?

He also played in Denver for 2.5 seasons, so if he was in mediocre shape in the high altitude, he should have been already in great shape for NY, but that didn't really pan out either.

I think someone already posted the video of how Fizdale teaches lanes to basket for layups and has his teams practice layups with the off hand, or the wrong foot, the Eurostep, etc. Basically, they give their players structured practice on these little techniques that could mean the a 10% improvement in finishing efficiency at the rim.

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As a Knick fan, we've had to endure a lot of BS since Dolan has been the owner.

But I think he has gotten it - removed himself from the day to day.

His first hire, Phil, was garbage, but true to his word, he gave Phil space to build and try to succeed.

When Phil's failure became painfully obviously, he removed him and went a more traditional route of finding a GM.

They proved their competence with their extensive search and they've hired a great coach.

I have nothing to complain about.

I have hope going forward that they have realistic expectations about building a winning basketball program.

That is all any of us can ask for.

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franco12 wrote:As a Knick fan, we've had to endure a lot of BS since Dolan has been the owner.

But I think he has gotten it - removed himself from the day to day.

His first hire, Phil, was garbage, but true to his word, he gave Phil space to build and try to succeed.

When Phil's failure became painfully obviously, he removed him and went a more traditional route of finding a GM.

They proved their competence with their extensive search and they've hired a great coach.

I have nothing to complain about.

I have hope going forward that they have realistic expectations about building a winning basketball program.

That is all any of us can ask for.

This is exactly what I see and I get labeled having rose colored glasses.

While Phil was a bad exec he was a great hire. It signaled Dolan's willingness to turn things over to a BB person. Phil lack of FO experience and inability to work with his coaches sunk him and we moved on at the right time.

I also think with teams like Boston and Phili in the same division the value of the draft will be hammered home as well.

What we do with Kanter, KOQ and this draft will be telling... but as you said for the above reasons they are showing a different approach that matches what they have said.

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Phil approached the job like a coach. can't do that as team president and defacto head of personal.
Good idea to hire him but it was badly executed. Some of you were smarter than the rest of us and knew it would fail.
MIlls will have his own story to write. Im happy with the decisions made thus far. Not everything works, but that's reality.
This takes time.
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Nalod wrote:Phil approached the job like a coach. can't do that as team president and defacto head of personal.
Good idea to hire him but it was badly executed. Some of you were smarter than the rest of us and knew it would fail.
MIlls will have his own story to write. Im happy with the decisions made thus far. Not everything works, but that's reality.
This takes time.

Phil was the only type of personality and history that Dolan would have been comfortable stepping away from the Knicks for. With that not working out it lead the way for a different approach. That wasn't going to happen without a guy like Phil happening first.

The continual evolution of Dolans era to become a quality bball org.

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5/10/2018  12:28 PM
with fizdale and craig robinson, we now have african american management pretty much top to bottom. i hope that next year's off season attracts some FAs based on working for an AA management as well KP's return, Frank's, new draftee's and Mudiay's development
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newyorknewyork wrote:
Nalod wrote:Phil approached the job like a coach. can't do that as team president and defacto head of personal.
Good idea to hire him but it was badly executed. Some of you were smarter than the rest of us and knew it would fail.
MIlls will have his own story to write. Im happy with the decisions made thus far. Not everything works, but that's reality.
This takes time.

Phil was the only type of personality and history that Dolan would have been comfortable stepping away from the Knicks for. With that not working out it lead the way for a different approach. That wasn't going to happen without a guy like Phil happening first.

The continual evolution of Dolans era to become a quality bball org.

Good take.
when Mills was hired he was working for Magic Johnson enterprises but was also being wooed to be head of the NBA union.
DOlan had to "recruit" him. Since this was when the McKinsey consulting had gone thru MSG and likely told DOlan he was the cause of knicks woes, did Mills also have a similar promise from Dolan to stay away. With Phil everything was very public and it became part of the press conference. Knicks had Warkenetein and John Gabriel on payroll at the time so a GM at that moment was not critical.

Lets not forget, Grunwald was fired in October and Mills bought in. The roster was already much in place for the year. The seduction of Phil was from December to his signing in March of 2014.

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Cartman718 wrote:with fizdale and craig robinson, we now have african american management pretty much top to bottom. i hope that next year's off season attracts some FAs based on working for an AA management as well KP's return, Frank's, new draftee's and Mudiay's development

They all voted for trump

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5/10/2018  4:26 PM
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Cartman718 wrote:with fizdale and craig robinson, we now have african american management pretty much top to bottom. i hope that next year's off season attracts some FAs based on working for an AA management as well KP's return, Frank's, new draftee's and Mudiay's development

They all voted for trump


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Cartman718 wrote:with fizdale and craig robinson, we now have african american management pretty much top to bottom. i hope that next year's off season attracts some FAs based on working for an AA management as well KP's return, Frank's, new draftee's and Mudiay's development

They all voted for trump

Don't quit your day job.

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