The telling stat for Ron is +/- .. when he's on the floor the Knicks are +3.1 per 100 possessions, with an on/off differential of +7.7. For Marcus, the Celtic were +3.1 per 100 as well, although the on/off was a -0.3

I think Ron would be better served playing a SG/SF role as opposed to the quasi PG/SG role he was forced into given the Knick lack of depth at that position .. just like the Celts found with Marcus .. he's got the strength, length and wingspan to play that role and his handle is too loose to be a PG and we didn't see much improvement there .. he did show improvement with his 3 point shooting

As far as Ron's contract .. people forget that he was a Gilbert Arenas free agent and that there was some danger of a poison pill contract offer from other teams .. the Knicks were committed to retaining him and used the room exception to sign him, maximizing their available cap space to sign Tim Hardaway .. so yes an overpay, but with the benefit of it being only 2 years

I still have hopes that Ron can show ìmprovements in his shooting and be a useful player .. If you want to complain about a player please target Lance Thomas!

Nalod wrote:

ccinflushing wrote:We probably need to think of Baker as a Marcus Smart type of player where their individual stats don't tell the whole story about their impact .. their first two years are eerily similar.. In his second year, Marcus shot 25% from 3 and 35% overall, with an efg of 41%, while Ron shot 33% from 3 and 34% overall, with an èfg of 43%

The telling stat for Ron is +/- .. when he's on the floor the Knicks are +3.1 per 100 possessions, with an on/off differential of +7.7. For Marcus, the Celtic were +3.1 per 100 as well, although the on/off was a -0.3

I think Ron would be better served playing a SG/SF role as opposed to the quasi PG/SG role he was forced into given the Knick lack of depth at that position .. just like the Celts found with Marcus .. he's got the strength, length and wingspan to play that role and his handle is too loose to be a PG and we didn't see much improvement there .. he did show improvement with his 3 point shooting

As far as Ron's contract .. people forget that he was a Gilbert Arenas free agent and that there was some danger of a poison pill contract offer from other teams .. the Knicks were committed to retaining him and used the room exception to sign him, maximizing their available cap space to sign Tim Hardaway .. so yes an overpay, but with the benefit of it being only 2 years

I still have hopes that Ron can show ìmprovements in his shooting and be a useful player .. If you want to complain about a player please target Lance Thomas!

THank you for the effort to reconstruct the scenario beyond the obvious stats.

when you factoring

4.5 mill baker
3 mil for kuz
1.5 johhny O'bryant
2.3 mill for sessions

almost 10 mill of the cap that was just given away to players who did next to nothing, and your excited about the future of the FO..

No team in the nba coughed up that much money last season for useless players

knicks1248 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

ccinflushing wrote:We probably need to think of Baker as a Marcus Smart type of player where their individual stats don't tell the whole story about their impact .. their first two years are eerily similar.. In his second year, Marcus shot 25% from 3 and 35% overall, with an efg of 41%, while Ron shot 33% from 3 and 34% overall, with an èfg of 43%

The telling stat for Ron is +/- .. when he's on the floor the Knicks are +3.1 per 100 possessions, with an on/off differential of +7.7. For Marcus, the Celtic were +3.1 per 100 as well, although the on/off was a -0.3

I think Ron would be better served playing a SG/SF role as opposed to the quasi PG/SG role he was forced into given the Knick lack of depth at that position .. just like the Celts found with Marcus .. he's got the strength, length and wingspan to play that role and his handle is too loose to be a PG and we didn't see much improvement there .. he did show improvement with his 3 point shooting

As far as Ron's contract .. people forget that he was a Gilbert Arenas free agent and that there was some danger of a poison pill contract offer from other teams .. the Knicks were committed to retaining him and used the room exception to sign him, maximizing their available cap space to sign Tim Hardaway .. so yes an overpay, but with the benefit of it being only 2 years

I still have hopes that Ron can show ìmprovements in his shooting and be a useful player .. If you want to complain about a player please target Lance Thomas!

THank you for the effort to reconstruct the scenario beyond the obvious stats.

when you factoring

4.5 mill baker
3 mil for kuz
1.5 johhny O'bryant
2.3 mill for sessions

almost 10 mill of the cap that was just given away to players who did next to nothing, and your excited about the future of the FO..

No team in the nba coughed up that much money last season for useless players

This is what it boils down to for you regarding the FO? Baker, Kuz, Johnny O'Bryant and Sessions? Johnny Fucking O'Bryant cap hit? And the likes of Sessions who was a vet min signing?

Could you waste our time more? WFT dude

martin wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

ccinflushing wrote:We probably need to think of Baker as a Marcus Smart type of player where their individual stats don't tell the whole story about their impact .. their first two years are eerily similar.. In his second year, Marcus shot 25% from 3 and 35% overall, with an efg of 41%, while Ron shot 33% from 3 and 34% overall, with an èfg of 43%

The telling stat for Ron is +/- .. when he's on the floor the Knicks are +3.1 per 100 possessions, with an on/off differential of +7.7. For Marcus, the Celtic were +3.1 per 100 as well, although the on/off was a -0.3

I think Ron would be better served playing a SG/SF role as opposed to the quasi PG/SG role he was forced into given the Knick lack of depth at that position .. just like the Celts found with Marcus .. he's got the strength, length and wingspan to play that role and his handle is too loose to be a PG and we didn't see much improvement there .. he did show improvement with his 3 point shooting

As far as Ron's contract .. people forget that he was a Gilbert Arenas free agent and that there was some danger of a poison pill contract offer from other teams .. the Knicks were committed to retaining him and used the room exception to sign him, maximizing their available cap space to sign Tim Hardaway .. so yes an overpay, but with the benefit of it being only 2 years

I still have hopes that Ron can show ìmprovements in his shooting and be a useful player .. If you want to complain about a player please target Lance Thomas!

THank you for the effort to reconstruct the scenario beyond the obvious stats.

when you factoring

4.5 mill baker
3 mil for kuz
1.5 johhny O'bryant
2.3 mill for sessions

almost 10 mill of the cap that was just given away to players who did next to nothing, and your excited about the future of the FO..

No team in the nba coughed up that much money last season for useless players

This is what it boils down to for you regarding the FO? Baker, Kuz, Johnny O'Bryant and Sessions? Johnny Fucking O'Bryant cap hit? And the likes of Sessions who was a vet min signing?

Could you waste our time more? WFT dude

That's the same exact thing i said when we got these players..smh

Lee, Dotson, and Frank can all play at SG and give you solid D, which is what Baker's calling card is right now. He has to become a consistent shooter from distance in order to distinguish himself, especially considering the fact that he has shown little ability to finish at the basket.

I'd like to see him play in the SL. He really needs to prove himself.

ccinflushing wrote:We probably need to think of Baker as a Marcus Smart type of player where their individual stats don't tell the whole story about their impact .. their first two years are eerily similar.. In his second year, Marcus shot 25% from 3 and 35% overall, with an efg of 41%, while Ron shot 33% from 3 and 34% overall, with an èfg of 43%

The telling stat for Ron is +/- .. when he's on the floor the Knicks are +3.1 per 100 possessions, with an on/off differential of +7.7. For Marcus, the Celtic were +3.1 per 100 as well, although the on/off was a -0.3

I think Ron would be better served playing a SG/SF role as opposed to the quasi PG/SG role he was forced into given the Knick lack of depth at that position .. just like the Celts found with Marcus .. he's got the strength, length and wingspan to play that role and his handle is too loose to be a PG and we didn't see much improvement there .. he did show improvement with his 3 point shooting

As far as Ron's contract .. people forget that he was a Gilbert Arenas free agent and that there was some danger of a poison pill contract offer from other teams .. the Knicks were committed to retaining him and used the room exception to sign him, maximizing their available cap space to sign Tim Hardaway .. so yes an overpay, but with the benefit of it being only 2 years

I still have hopes that Ron can show ìmprovements in his shooting and be a useful player .. If you want to complain about a player please target Lance Thomas!

I like that comparison- and I hope Lance comes back and plays like he did before he got paid- I think not enough was asked from him and he got a big pass just for having a defensive rep from half a year of inspired play- The team was so bad though a guy like him is useful as a 7th or 8th guy in usage in shorts spurts not someone to lean on. I think that Ron will be motivated to get the best out of himself and if not it's not an albatross especially by Knick standards-

knicks1248 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

anrst wrote:has a no trade clause. i guess when steve mills shows us who he is, we should believe him.

its not a no trade clause. Its like what Mirotic had. Because he's a type of player on a short deal it means if he's traded he losses his bird right, so therefore has to approve any trades.

But yea... if that doesnt work with an agenda folks can always change things up

The knicks are obviously going to add a guard or a wing in the draft or FA

burke
mudaiy
thj
lee
frank.

that's 5 guards on the roster, where do you see him getting in the mix.

I know you read that mills and perry are scouting for guards in Europe while interviewing BLATT.

Are you really saying that bakers has a good contract?

Hey fellow Knicks fans, I wanted to try getting better at statistics so I figured I would start by doing a little project on one of our rookies from last season, Ron Baker, to see if his play lived up to his woj reported contract.

Methodology: To evaluate if Ron Baker's production equates to his salary I compared Baker's 2016-17 season averages to the averages of players who currently have 2017-18 salaries between 4 million and 5 million dollars (the expected range of Baker's 2017-18 salary based on the Wojnarowski report).

(All data taken from espn.com) Data: Below is a chart showing a comparison between Ron Baker's stat averages from the 2016-17 NBA season and the average stats of all other players who are being paid Ron Baker's expected salary.http://imgur.com/qaqNdtm

PER Comparison: As you can see in the bar chart below Baker's PER of 7.5 ranks among the worst PER's of all players with his salary. His PER is well below the mean PER of analyzed players which is 11.4. http://imgur.com/HQ96jHB
Ron Baker Individual Averages Compared to Mean of Same Salaried Players: Looking deeper into Baker's individual statistical averages for the 2016-17 season it is clear to see that Ron Baker falls short of expectations in almost every way. In the chart below the red bars illustrate the average for every major measurement category for all players with comparable salaries to Ron Baker. The blue bars illustrate Ron Baker's averages. As you can see from the chart Baker is well below average in most major statistical categories, in particular his scoring production is far worse than the average production that a player with his salary achieves. Baker only slightly beats the mean for assists, steals and http://imgur.com/VKqRtYIturnovers.
Conclusion: The data seems to clearly indicate that Ron Baker is a supremely below average NBA player even when just compared to players who are receiving his relatively small salary. This might have seemed obvious, but I thought it would be cool to illustrate it with some stats. My goal is to get better at this so any positive or negative feedback would be much appreciated!

My issue isn't with Baker, it's the thought process that went into signing him. If your not concern about that, your being naive.

But baker of justin,thats not good judgement

Fantastic analysis - can you do this with Melo and his salary?

fishmike wrote:guy plays his ass off, gets hurt and you make a thread about where are you in late April?

Go get some coffee man... maybe read a comic or smell a flower.

Baker will be great to have in the mix. If he could hit the 3 he would be even better. If he doesnt he's a one year hustle guy who will play his ass off on defense for a year. Boo hoo hoo.... we have an expiring contract for $4mm. My god, the franchise is ruined!

1248.. this is what you are bringing to the table?

Love Ron....kills me that he left his shot and confidence at Wich St.

jrodmc wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

anrst wrote:has a no trade clause. i guess when steve mills shows us who he is, we should believe him.

its not a no trade clause. Its like what Mirotic had. Because he's a type of player on a short deal it means if he's traded he losses his bird right, so therefore has to approve any trades.

But yea... if that doesnt work with an agenda folks can always change things up

The knicks are obviously going to add a guard or a wing in the draft or FA

burke
mudaiy
thj
lee
frank.

that's 5 guards on the roster, where do you see him getting in the mix.

I know you read that mills and perry are scouting for guards in Europe while interviewing BLATT.

Are you really saying that bakers has a good contract?

Hey fellow Knicks fans, I wanted to try getting better at statistics so I figured I would start by doing a little project on one of our rookies from last season, Ron Baker, to see if his play lived up to his woj reported contract.

Methodology: To evaluate if Ron Baker's production equates to his salary I compared Baker's 2016-17 season averages to the averages of players who currently have 2017-18 salaries between 4 million and 5 million dollars (the expected range of Baker's 2017-18 salary based on the Wojnarowski report).

(All data taken from espn.com) Data: Below is a chart showing a comparison between Ron Baker's stat averages from the 2016-17 NBA season and the average stats of all other players who are being paid Ron Baker's expected salary.http://imgur.com/qaqNdtm

PER Comparison: As you can see in the bar chart below Baker's PER of 7.5 ranks among the worst PER's of all players with his salary. His PER is well below the mean PER of analyzed players which is 11.4. http://imgur.com/HQ96jHB
Ron Baker Individual Averages Compared to Mean of Same Salaried Players: Looking deeper into Baker's individual statistical averages for the 2016-17 season it is clear to see that Ron Baker falls short of expectations in almost every way. In the chart below the red bars illustrate the average for every major measurement category for all players with comparable salaries to Ron Baker. The blue bars illustrate Ron Baker's averages. As you can see from the chart Baker is well below average in most major statistical categories, in particular his scoring production is far worse than the average production that a player with his salary achieves. Baker only slightly beats the mean for assists, steals and http://imgur.com/VKqRtYIturnovers.
Conclusion: The data seems to clearly indicate that Ron Baker is a supremely below average NBA player even when just compared to players who are receiving his relatively small salary. This might have seemed obvious, but I thought it would be cool to illustrate it with some stats. My goal is to get better at this so any positive or negative feedback would be much appreciated!

My issue isn't with Baker, it's the thought process that went into signing him. If your not concern about that, your being naive.

But baker of justin,thats not good judgement

Fantastic analysis - can you do this with Melo and his salary?

Yeah, and maybe include metrics that show how all career cancerous iso-chuckers alwways draw up their own contracts, give themselves ntc's, etc, etc...

...and maybe include a simple chart for the haters here that compares salary to visits to the playoffs or the absolute relative value of the only second round apperance since '90's...

wow, that Euphoria is over the Top thread made me want to cry... The days before ChuckBuck turned into father of meloshouldtradehisself giveallthemoneybackgoplayinBulgaria go ...knicks winning 50 games!

History proves nothing because it contains everything. - Emil Cioran

Einstein, you have surpassed even your own ususal drivel. I asked for the same analysis of Melo's output based on his salary because that was how Baker was being evalutaed. Are you saying Baker drew up his own contract and that's why it's ok to analyse him this way but not Melo?

I don't know abot the absolute relative value, the entertainment value of your posts are unsrpassed

Euphoria is over what? WTF does that mean?? Who is ChuckBuck and why will he play in Bulgaria?

I am starting to be concerned about you, are you ok? Do you own guns? Should we call 911?