knicks1248 wrote:he's practically making the same as KOQ with 1/10th of the production.

Are we to expect more contracts like this, give some G- league player 70% of the 8.6mill MLE..wouldn't surprise.

Whining not becoming.

fishmike wrote:

anrst wrote:has a no trade clause. i guess when steve mills shows us who he is, we should believe him.

its not a no trade clause. Its like what Mirotic had. Because he's a type of player on a short deal it means if he's traded he losses his bird right, so therefore has to approve any trades.

But yea... if that doesnt work with an agenda folks can always change things up

The knicks are obviously going to add a guard or a wing in the draft or FA

burke
mudaiy
thj
lee
frank.

that's 5 guards on the roster, where do you see him getting in the mix.

I know you read that mills and perry are scouting for guards in Europe while interviewing BLATT.

Are you really saying that bakers has a good contract?

knicks1248 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

anrst wrote:has a no trade clause. i guess when steve mills shows us who he is, we should believe him.

its not a no trade clause. Its like what Mirotic had. Because he's a type of player on a short deal it means if he's traded he losses his bird right, so therefore has to approve any trades.

But yea... if that doesnt work with an agenda folks can always change things up

The knicks are obviously going to add a guard or a wing in the draft or FA

burke
mudaiy
thj
lee
frank.

that's 5 guards on the roster, where do you see him getting in the mix.

I know you read that mills and perry are scouting for guards in Europe while interviewing BLATT.

Are you really saying that bakers has a good contract?

Hey fellow Knicks fans, I wanted to try getting better at statistics so I figured I would start by doing a little project on one of our rookies from last season, Ron Baker, to see if his play lived up to his woj reported contract.

Methodology: To evaluate if Ron Baker's production equates to his salary I compared Baker's 2016-17 season averages to the averages of players who currently have 2017-18 salaries between 4 million and 5 million dollars (the expected range of Baker's 2017-18 salary based on the Wojnarowski report).

(All data taken from espn.com) Data: Below is a chart showing a comparison between Ron Baker's stat averages from the 2016-17 NBA season and the average stats of all other players who are being paid Ron Baker's expected salary.http://imgur.com/qaqNdtm

PER Comparison: As you can see in the bar chart below Baker's PER of 7.5 ranks among the worst PER's of all players with his salary. His PER is well below the mean PER of analyzed players which is 11.4. http://imgur.com/HQ96jHB
Ron Baker Individual Averages Compared to Mean of Same Salaried Players: Looking deeper into Baker's individual statistical averages for the 2016-17 season it is clear to see that Ron Baker falls short of expectations in almost every way. In the chart below the red bars illustrate the average for every major measurement category for all players with comparable salaries to Ron Baker. The blue bars illustrate Ron Baker's averages. As you can see from the chart Baker is well below average in most major statistical categories, in particular his scoring production is far worse than the average production that a player with his salary achieves. Baker only slightly beats the mean for assists, steals and http://imgur.com/VKqRtYIturnovers.
Conclusion: The data seems to clearly indicate that Ron Baker is a supremely below average NBA player even when just compared to players who are receiving his relatively small salary. This might have seemed obvious, but I thought it would be cool to illustrate it with some stats. My goal is to get better at this so any positive or negative feedback would be much appreciated!

My issue isn't with Baker, it's the thought process that went into signing him. If your not concern about that, your being naive.

But baker of justin,thats not good judgement

You telling yourself off?

Baker was drafted as a 3pt shooter, thats what he was known for in college. Has been a lousy NBA 3pt shooter, that is when he decides to shoot. Which brings us to another problem, his complete lack of agressiveness in spite of playing physical ball. Another guard who wont go to the rim. He isnt afraid of contact, but he wont chip in on offense. Got away with these shortcomings his rookie year because he was a team player, played good D, and moved the ball well. Other than some improved D, saw zero progress on offense. I know he was hurt, not hurt enough to come back with so little game.

Knew he was overpaid at the time. Sorry he's done so little to disprove that notion. Doubt it bothers him.

knicks1248 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

anrst wrote:has a no trade clause. i guess when steve mills shows us who he is, we should believe him.

its not a no trade clause. Its like what Mirotic had. Because he's a type of player on a short deal it means if he's traded he losses his bird right, so therefore has to approve any trades.

But yea... if that doesnt work with an agenda folks can always change things up

The knicks are obviously going to add a guard or a wing in the draft or FA

burke
mudaiy
thj
lee
frank.

that's 5 guards on the roster, where do you see him getting in the mix.

I know you read that mills and perry are scouting for guards in Europe while interviewing BLATT.

Are you really saying that bakers has a good contract?

Its funny.. you rip apart the Knicks for bringing in non defenders like Burke or Mudiay. Then you rip them for having Baker. You are just a grumpy salty pissy guy who repeats the same complaints with no context or meaning... but yea man, Baker will get into the mix.

fishmike wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

anrst wrote:has a no trade clause. i guess when steve mills shows us who he is, we should believe him.

its not a no trade clause. Its like what Mirotic had. Because he's a type of player on a short deal it means if he's traded he losses his bird right, so therefore has to approve any trades.

But yea... if that doesnt work with an agenda folks can always change things up

The knicks are obviously going to add a guard or a wing in the draft or FA

burke
mudaiy
thj
lee
frank.

that's 5 guards on the roster, where do you see him getting in the mix.

I know you read that mills and perry are scouting for guards in Europe while interviewing BLATT.

Are you really saying that bakers has a good contract?

Hey fellow Knicks fans, I wanted to try getting better at statistics so I figured I would start by doing a little project on one of our rookies from last season, Ron Baker, to see if his play lived up to his woj reported contract.

Methodology: To evaluate if Ron Baker's production equates to his salary I compared Baker's 2016-17 season averages to the averages of players who currently have 2017-18 salaries between 4 million and 5 million dollars (the expected range of Baker's 2017-18 salary based on the Wojnarowski report).

(All data taken from espn.com) Data: Below is a chart showing a comparison between Ron Baker's stat averages from the 2016-17 NBA season and the average stats of all other players who are being paid Ron Baker's expected salary.http://imgur.com/qaqNdtm

PER Comparison: As you can see in the bar chart below Baker's PER of 7.5 ranks among the worst PER's of all players with his salary. His PER is well below the mean PER of analyzed players which is 11.4. http://imgur.com/HQ96jHB
Ron Baker Individual Averages Compared to Mean of Same Salaried Players: Looking deeper into Baker's individual statistical averages for the 2016-17 season it is clear to see that Ron Baker falls short of expectations in almost every way. In the chart below the red bars illustrate the average for every major measurement category for all players with comparable salaries to Ron Baker. The blue bars illustrate Ron Baker's averages. As you can see from the chart Baker is well below average in most major statistical categories, in particular his scoring production is far worse than the average production that a player with his salary achieves. Baker only slightly beats the mean for assists, steals and http://imgur.com/VKqRtYIturnovers.
Conclusion: The data seems to clearly indicate that Ron Baker is a supremely below average NBA player even when just compared to players who are receiving his relatively small salary. This might have seemed obvious, but I thought it would be cool to illustrate it with some stats. My goal is to get better at this so any positive or negative feedback would be much appreciated!

My issue isn't with Baker, it's the thought process that went into signing him. If your not concern about that, your being naive.

But baker of justin,thats not good judgement

You telling yourself off?

Baker was drafted as a 3pt shooter, thats what he was known for in college. Has been a lousy NBA 3pt shooter, that is when he decides to shoot. Which brings us to another problem, his complete lack of agressiveness in spite of playing physical ball. Another guard who wont go to the rim. He isnt afraid of contact, but he wont chip in on offense. Got away with these shortcomings his rookie year because he was a team player, played good D, and moved the ball well. Other than some improved D, saw zero progress on offense. I know he was hurt, not hurt enough to come back with so little game.

Knew he was overpaid at the time. Sorry he's done so little to disprove that notion. Doubt it bothers him.

Baker is afraid of contact? Have you seen him play 1 minute? He's not a guy who get the rim off dribble penetration. Its not in his skill set. Afraid of contact? The guy broke his face and shoulder because he was NOT.

Read it again fishmike

fishmike wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

anrst wrote:has a no trade clause. i guess when steve mills shows us who he is, we should believe him.

its not a no trade clause. Its like what Mirotic had. Because he's a type of player on a short deal it means if he's traded he losses his bird right, so therefore has to approve any trades.

But yea... if that doesnt work with an agenda folks can always change things up

The knicks are obviously going to add a guard or a wing in the draft or FA

burke
mudaiy
thj
lee
frank.

that's 5 guards on the roster, where do you see him getting in the mix.

I know you read that mills and perry are scouting for guards in Europe while interviewing BLATT.

Are you really saying that bakers has a good contract?

Are you really saying Baker's contract is an issue? If you are you are less intelligent than your posting suggests. 23 year old gets gets a 2 year for $4mm per. If he sticks great. If he doesnt fine. Was he overpaid? Maybe, but there is zero issue. If anything the message to young undrafted players is come here and work hard and you will get some money.. but yea... I could see how YOU would think that would be problem.

Its funny.. you rip apart the Knicks for bringing in non defenders like Burke or Mudiay. Then you rip them for having Baker. You are just a grumpy salty pissy guy who repeats the same complaints with no context or meaning... but yea man, Baker will get into the mix.

I have been pro burke since he was lighting it up the g- league, and literally wanted to slap the sht of JH for waiting until the season was a loss caus to play him.

Again your missing my point.

Like the JR smith brother signing(when we desperately needed a back up center for tyson), we signed baker when we desperately needed a starting PG.

In both of this cases, MILLs ALONE was responsible. weather it was a one yr or 4, it's not what you do with 9 million dollars when you have other pressing needs

I certainly didn't rip Mudiay either because we Obviously needed a pg (since we signed baker) and Mcdermott sucked.

You was the chief culprit who said i was ridiculous for thinking the knicks should have signed RONDO for 3.3 mil Avg 8ppg 4 rbds, 8.3 ast, they went out and got jack instead..HAHA