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4/25/2018  5:06 PM
mlby1215 wrote:Of course a lot of people they would, just like they are very silent about how Mills and Perry killing off any chance to trade away Noah by banishing him. Talking about his players' short coming is grave sin, but banishing away another very expensive player is totally okay. It could have been that Noah got traded away if he got the chance to prove he was still semi-okay nba player. At the end, damaging Melo's trading value is not important, it is just an excuse to disapprove how Phil talked bad about their favorite player Mr. Melo.
Can you share with me the market that was killed off for Noah? In regards to Phil, he was trying to get out of a horrible situation he created. Melo had a ntc that was given to him by Phil. He also was given an almost max contract by Phil at an advanced age. Melo wasn't going to waive his ntc for Phil. Glad both guys are gone but Phil had to go first and the contract Phil gave Melo was one of the biggest mistakes of his mistake filled tenure as the Knick Prez.
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4/25/2018  5:14 PM
mlby1215 wrote:Of course a lot of people they would, just like they are very silent about how Mills and Perry killing off any chance to trade away Noah by banishing him. Talking about his players' short coming is grave sin, but banishing away another very expensive player is totally okay. It could have been that Noah got traded away if he got the chance to prove he was still semi-okay nba player. At the end, damaging Melo's trading value is not important, it is just an excuse to disapprove how Phil talked bad about their favorite player Mr. Melo.

Noah was not brought back to the Bulls because of his performance, and the stink he was making about minutes. Noah showed up out of shape in NY, juiced after signing a big ass contract. The next season he gets sent away because he's making a stink about minutes.

Perry/Mills are trying to change the culture by cutting down on the drama. Noah has been drama since he lost his starting job, when he was with the Bulls. Thats why Willy was moved. Too much drama from a second rounder in his second year.

Its still early in the Perry/Mllls regime. The first season was about moving on from Melo, and Perry seeing what they had. So far Perry got us to this new phase post-Melo without a Ewing trade. Next thing they have to get right is Head Coach. So far so good, but there is a lot more work for them to do to build a contender.

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4/25/2018  6:23 PM
Melo had rade value? Since when? His trade valuse was Austin Rivers(scrub) or Ryan Anderson(poison contract). OKC was desperate and out dumbstarfukked us for once big whoop! And even then we got two bench players.

Trade value my ass- a bag of peanuts was too much to give up for Melo at $25 mil

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4/25/2018  6:43 PM
meloshouldgo wrote:Melo had rade value? Since when? His trade valuse was Austin Rivers(scrub) or Ryan Anderson(poison contract). OKC was desperate and out dumbstarfukked us for once big whoop! And even then we got two bench players.

Trade value my ass- a bag of peanuts was too much to give up for Melo at $25 mil

Big whoop? Let me get this straight. Your entire raison d'être on this board has been all Melo all the time. The player with the massive contract and a no trade clause. Who you have always believed was worthless. He's traded in a deal that heavily favors the Knicks, and this is what we get from you?

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4/25/2018  8:41 PM
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meloshouldgo wrote:Melo had rade value? Since when? His trade valuse was Austin Rivers(scrub) or Ryan Anderson(poison contract). OKC was desperate and out dumbstarfukked us for once big whoop! And even then we got two bench players.

Trade value my ass- a bag of peanuts was too much to give up for Melo at $25 mil

Big whoop? Let me get this straight. Your entire raison d'être on this board has been all Melo all the time. The player with the massive contract and a no trade clause. Who you have always believed was worthless. He's traded in a deal that heavily favors the Knicks, and this is what we get from you?

My comment was about his "trade value" which is/was non existent. I was obviously overjoyed that we traded him, I think I have sufficiently expressed that when the trade happened.

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4/25/2018  9:19 PM
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meloshouldgo wrote:Melo had rade value? Since when? His trade valuse was Austin Rivers(scrub) or Ryan Anderson(poison contract). OKC was desperate and out dumbstarfukked us for once big whoop! And even then we got two bench players.

Trade value my ass- a bag of peanuts was too much to give up for Melo at $25 mil

Big whoop? Let me get this straight. Your entire raison d'être on this board has been all Melo all the time. The player with the massive contract and a no trade clause. Who you have always believed was worthless. He's traded in a deal that heavily favors the Knicks, and this is what we get from you?

My comment was about his "trade value" which is/was non existent. I was obviously overjoyed that we traded him, I think I have sufficiently expressed that when the trade happened.

If you compare Melo's numbers this season vs. Kanter's. One of them put up elite numbers in multiple categories. Also got a pick. Kanter either staying or going next season will save the team anywhere from 10 to 28 million in cap room next season.

Considering Perry got all this for a Melo that doesnt really exist anymore. Id say we got great trade value. Something to be happy about.

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4/25/2018  9:27 PM
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meloshouldgo wrote:
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meloshouldgo wrote:Melo had rade value? Since when? His trade valuse was Austin Rivers(scrub) or Ryan Anderson(poison contract). OKC was desperate and out dumbstarfukked us for once big whoop! And even then we got two bench players.

Trade value my ass- a bag of peanuts was too much to give up for Melo at $25 mil

Big whoop? Let me get this straight. Your entire raison d'être on this board has been all Melo all the time. The player with the massive contract and a no trade clause. Who you have always believed was worthless. He's traded in a deal that heavily favors the Knicks, and this is what we get from you?

My comment was about his "trade value" which is/was non existent. I was obviously overjoyed that we traded him, I think I have sufficiently expressed that when the trade happened.

If you compare Melo's numbers this season vs. Kanter's. One of them put up elite numbers in multiple categories. Also got a pick. Kanter either staying or going next season will save the team anywhere from 10 to 28 million in cap room next season.

Considering Perry got all this for a Melo that doesnt really exist anymore. Id say we got great trade value. Something to be happy about.

Kanter definitely played better than I expected and I am happy about it. I doubt he stays - also not sure of his long term fit with KP. His lack of Hops and defense will always limit him. He really is a glorified bench player. McD is already gone. McD is already history.

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4/25/2018  9:36 PM
meloshouldgo wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
meloshouldgo wrote:
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meloshouldgo wrote:Melo had rade value? Since when? His trade valuse was Austin Rivers(scrub) or Ryan Anderson(poison contract). OKC was desperate and out dumbstarfukked us for once big whoop! And even then we got two bench players.

Trade value my ass- a bag of peanuts was too much to give up for Melo at $25 mil

Big whoop? Let me get this straight. Your entire raison d'être on this board has been all Melo all the time. The player with the massive contract and a no trade clause. Who you have always believed was worthless. He's traded in a deal that heavily favors the Knicks, and this is what we get from you?

My comment was about his "trade value" which is/was non existent. I was obviously overjoyed that we traded him, I think I have sufficiently expressed that when the trade happened.

If you compare Melo's numbers this season vs. Kanter's. One of them put up elite numbers in multiple categories. Also got a pick. Kanter either staying or going next season will save the team anywhere from 10 to 28 million in cap room next season.

Considering Perry got all this for a Melo that doesnt really exist anymore. Id say we got great trade value. Something to be happy about.

Kanter definitely played better than I expected and I am happy about it. I doubt he stays - also not sure of his long term fit with KP. His lack of Hops and defense will always limit him. He really is a glorified bench player. McD is already gone. McD is already history.

Wasnt a good fit with McD, but he is a good role player in his prime. Not a scrub. Wether Kanter sticks or not (hope he does) Perry worked the deal so there would be no long term repercussions if they didnt pan out. All this all under an NTC.

Considering the NTC, I have a hard time understanding why this deal isnt seen in a better light by some. First GM in a long time to hold out for a better deal.

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4/27/2018  11:22 AM    LAST EDITED: 4/27/2018  11:23 AM
Is anyone in here still thinking that we're a lottery team for the next three years at least, worrying about the third piece on a playoff team?

OKC started to falter when their defensive specialist went down. Which overexposed what Melo is at this age, a spot up shooter who's a liability on defense and who's rebounding was no longer above average. What did we get in return? Two one trick scorers who are both beyond embarrassing on defense.

But hey, for the Melohaters, the drama was supposed to be over, but some people just cant let it go.... which as Mike Breen used to say, reminds me of a song...

So look who's starting the Melo threads?

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4/28/2018  2:26 PM
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meloshouldgo wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
meloshouldgo wrote:Melo had rade value? Since when? His trade valuse was Austin Rivers(scrub) or Ryan Anderson(poison contract). OKC was desperate and out dumbstarfukked us for once big whoop! And even then we got two bench players.

Trade value my ass- a bag of peanuts was too much to give up for Melo at $25 mil

Big whoop? Let me get this straight. Your entire raison d'être on this board has been all Melo all the time. The player with the massive contract and a no trade clause. Who you have always believed was worthless. He's traded in a deal that heavily favors the Knicks, and this is what we get from you?

My comment was about his "trade value" which is/was non existent. I was obviously overjoyed that we traded him, I think I have sufficiently expressed that when the trade happened.

If you compare Melo's numbers this season vs. Kanter's. One of them put up elite numbers in multiple categories. Also got a pick. Kanter either staying or going next season will save the team anywhere from 10 to 28 million in cap room next season.

Considering Perry got all this for a Melo that doesnt really exist anymore. Id say we got great trade value. Something to be happy about.

Exactly, but to answer the question Phil actually overestimated Melo's trade value which allowed Perry to get more than a bag of stale chips for Melo. Phil, I think, still looked at Melo as having a potential he could never realize in New York. And Melo had the ability with his NTC to sit down with Phil and hand-pick from whatever suitors there were where to play.

But Melo is a chronic loser due to his own devices. His wounds self-inflicted. In NY he could have been an entrepreneur. Today, he is the belligerent player yelling at coaches on the bench and fuming that he's not playing despite bringing less than nothing to the game.

Its a sad deserving ending to a statistically manufactured "career" highlighted by unearned contract dollars that ham-strung every team he ever played for. A career that deserves immediate induction to the Hall of Fame of bad contracts.

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4/28/2018  2:58 PM
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4/29/2018  4:35 AM    LAST EDITED: 4/29/2018  2:16 PM
I replied both in one.
If you don't play a player, he is forever untradeable. If you play him, maybe he suddenly goes hot and some suckers will take him. This is WHY.

If you say we need to banish a 17mil player in a lost season in order to build a "culture". Thank you. I can understand. We agree to disagree. I would rather let him to play until his legs break off in order to attract some teams to take him. I like some more tangible things like cap rooms, other non-center players and even just a player slot.

Indeed, do we have to talk about how suck Phil Jackson was, again? This era will not stop to have things to talk about in near future. Wiily last 5 games got 11.4pts 10reb in 20mins, and he was shooting like 60FG% Yeah yeah he was too noisy we had to send his ass away and build a culture. Sure, Mills and Perry can't go wrong with this culture building movement.

Does anyone, Knicks front office included, remember that we have to decide if and how much we are going to re-sign another "better" centers? is it that we would have better position if we kept Willy when we were dealing with Kanter and Quinn's agents? Is this little bit more tangible than "building a better culture"?

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mlby1215 wrote:Of course a lot of people they would, just like they are very silent about how Mills and Perry killing off any chance to trade away Noah by banishing him. Talking about his players' short coming is grave sin, but banishing away another very expensive player is totally okay. It could have been that Noah got traded away if he got the chance to prove he was still semi-okay nba player. At the end, damaging Melo's trading value is not important, it is just an excuse to disapprove how Phil talked bad about their favorite player Mr. Melo.
Can you share with me the market that was killed off for Noah? In regards to Phil, he was trying to get out of a horrible situation he created. Melo had a ntc that was given to him by Phil. He also was given an almost max contract by Phil at an advanced age. Melo wasn't going to waive his ntc for Phil. Glad both guys are gone but Phil had to go first and the contract Phil gave Melo was one of the biggest mistakes of his mistake filled tenure as the Knick Prez.


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mlby1215 wrote:Of course a lot of people they would, just like they are very silent about how Mills and Perry killing off any chance to trade away Noah by banishing him. Talking about his players' short coming is grave sin, but banishing away another very expensive player is totally okay. It could have been that Noah got traded away if he got the chance to prove he was still semi-okay nba player. At the end, damaging Melo's trading value is not important, it is just an excuse to disapprove how Phil talked bad about their favorite player Mr. Melo.

Noah was not brought back to the Bulls because of his performance, and the stink he was making about minutes. Noah showed up out of shape in NY, juiced after signing a big ass contract. The next season he gets sent away because he's making a stink about minutes.

Perry/Mills are trying to change the culture by cutting down on the drama. Noah has been drama since he lost his starting job, when he was with the Bulls. Thats why Willy was moved. Too much drama from a second rounder in his second year.

Its still early in the Perry/Mllls regime. The first season was about moving on from Melo, and Perry seeing what they had. So far Perry got us to this new phase post-Melo without a Ewing trade. Next thing they have to get right is Head Coach. So far so good, but there is a lot more work for them to do to build a contender.

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4/29/2018  10:03 AM
Phil gave Melo a ****ing no trade clause. Yes, Phil destroyed Melo's value because he gave Melo such a stupid ****ing contract.
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4/29/2018  10:06 AM
VCoug wrote:Phil gave Melo a ****ing no trade clause. Yes, Phil destroyed Melo's value because he gave Melo such a stupid ****ing contract.

Without it knicks lose melo to Rockets, Bulls, or where ever else for zero in return?

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4/29/2018  10:31 AM
Melo type players hold very little value in today’s NBA. Inefficient chuckers with absolute apathy for the pass. Where is the value in that.
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4/29/2018  10:34 AM
Nalod wrote:
VCoug wrote:Phil gave Melo a ****ing no trade clause. Yes, Phil destroyed Melo's value because he gave Melo such a stupid ****ing contract.

Without it knicks lose melo to Rockets, Bulls, or where ever else for zero in return?

If he was going to go to Chicago it would've had to have been a sign and trade, Chicago couldn't sign him outright. But even if he did leave for nothing, so what? What did we get by signing him? A few years of ****ty play, Enes Kanter, and a 2nd round pick? Big ****ing deal.

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4/29/2018  10:41 AM    LAST EDITED: 4/29/2018  10:42 AM
You can't hurt the trade value of this -

<quote>Yeah, I'm not sacrificing no bench role," Anthony said. "That's out of the question."</quote>

This just shows how out of touch he is and has always been with reality. This is why he doesn't have trade value.

It takes a person of Dolan's stupidity to trade for this crap.

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4/29/2018  11:04 AM
meloshouldgo wrote:You can't hurt the trade value of this -

<quote>Yeah, I'm not sacrificing no bench role," Anthony said. "That's out of the question."</quote>

This just shows how out of touch he is and has always been with reality. This is why he doesn't have trade value.

It takes a person of Dolan's stupidity to trade for this crap.

The Knicks traded for Melo when he was 26. I thought this thread was about 33 yr old Melo with an almost max deal, ntc, and a 15 million dollar trade kicker.
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4/29/2018  1:36 PM
fwk00 wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
meloshouldgo wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
meloshouldgo wrote:Melo had rade value? Since when? His trade valuse was Austin Rivers(scrub) or Ryan Anderson(poison contract). OKC was desperate and out dumbstarfukked us for once big whoop! And even then we got two bench players.

Trade value my ass- a bag of peanuts was too much to give up for Melo at $25 mil

Big whoop? Let me get this straight. Your entire raison d'être on this board has been all Melo all the time. The player with the massive contract and a no trade clause. Who you have always believed was worthless. He's traded in a deal that heavily favors the Knicks, and this is what we get from you?

My comment was about his "trade value" which is/was non existent. I was obviously overjoyed that we traded him, I think I have sufficiently expressed that when the trade happened.

If you compare Melo's numbers this season vs. Kanter's. One of them put up elite numbers in multiple categories. Also got a pick. Kanter either staying or going next season will save the team anywhere from 10 to 28 million in cap room next season.

Considering Perry got all this for a Melo that doesnt really exist anymore. Id say we got great trade value. Something to be happy about.

Exactly, but to answer the question Phil actually overestimated Melo's trade value which allowed Perry to get more than a bag of stale chips for Melo. Phil, I think, still looked at Melo as having a potential he could never realize in New York. And Melo had the ability with his NTC to sit down with Phil and hand-pick from whatever suitors there were where to play.

But Melo is a chronic loser due to his own devices. His wounds self-inflicted. In NY he could have been an entrepreneur. Today, he is the belligerent player yelling at coaches on the bench and fuming that he's not playing despite bringing less than nothing to the game.

Its a sad deserving ending to a statistically manufactured "career" highlighted by unearned contract dollars that ham-strung every team he ever played for. A career that deserves immediate induction to the Hall of Fame of bad contracts.

Didnt want Melo back for max years, close to max $$$, the NTC, or the huge trade kicker. Said on this board that I would prefer he walk. Phil didnt and handed Melo all the power on a silver platter. Only one of 3 players in the entire league with an NTC. Melo played Phil, And when Phil finally realized it, he acted out.

You stand on tbe corner yelling "who wants to buy some chicken ****?" You will get chicken **** offers, because thats how you pitched it. Perry pitched chicken salad, got chicken salad prices, for old steak.

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4/29/2018  2:40 PM    LAST EDITED: 4/29/2018  2:40 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
meloshouldgo wrote:You can't hurt the trade value of this -

<quote>Yeah, I'm not sacrificing no bench role," Anthony said. "That's out of the question."</quote>

This just shows how out of touch he is and has always been with reality. This is why he doesn't have trade value.

It takes a person of Dolan's stupidity to trade for this crap.

The Knicks traded for Melo when he was 26. I thought this thread was about 33 yr old Melo with an almost max deal, ntc, and a 15 million dollar trade kicker.

Exactly. Huge difference. We got melo entering his prime. We traded him at the tail end of it. For some reason he still sees himself as this elite player who is absolutely insulted at the suggestion of coming off the bench. Dude is about to turn 34. He was a great scorer, but has lost much of that. He could be a decent 6th man at this stage of his career but he sees himself above that still, which will be a big problem for him at this point moving forward. But melo now vs when we got him is a huge difference.

Is there anyone out there still claiming Phil hurt Melo's -cough- "trade value"?

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