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Please hire Bud, please don't hire Blatt! Who would honestly choose Blatt over Bud? (feel free to state your case if you would- I'm genuinely curious)

smackeddog wrote:

Nalod wrote:Blatt was 1. On my list but I want Budd for the obvious reasons.
But we need to be prepared to accept Blatt not because he and MIlls are buddies, but his own merits and, they have a long trusting relationship.
Bud is not publicly interviewed with anyone else even though he is rumored to be linked perhaps only by logic by Milwaukee. Giannis and a new arena is the major selling point. It is said Bucks ownership had hired its GM as a compromise to Edens and Lasky. Knicks at the moment are stable in the Front office if Dolan is no where to be seen.
Be great if Blatt would be no. 1 top assistant to Bud in NY but thats not likely.
My take is Knicks will have to give Budd 5 years.
I’d like to think the lack of rumors surround Bud are a good sign for fans that want him as the next coach. There are so few coaching rumors around the league except Bickerstaff resigning with Grizz.
Perhaps we can root for Joe Prunty and the bucks to win game 7. I think they might have to hire if he advances.

My worries with Blatt are mainly around the way he managed (or rather didn't manage) Lebron- the stories made him sound like a rank amateur when it comes to knowing how to relate to big name players. Also I would have a genuinely difficult time rooting for Blatt due to some of his politics. So it's Bud all the way for me!

CrushAlot wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Nalod wrote:Blatt was 1. On my list but I want Budd for the obvious reasons.
But we need to be prepared to accept Blatt not because he and MIlls are buddies, but his own merits and, they have a long trusting relationship.
Bud is not publicly interviewed with anyone else even though he is rumored to be linked perhaps only by logic by Milwaukee. Giannis and a new arena is the major selling point. It is said Bucks ownership had hired its GM as a compromise to Edens and Lasky. Knicks at the moment are stable in the Front office if Dolan is no where to be seen.
Be great if Blatt would be no. 1 top assistant to Bud in NY but thats not likely.
My take is Knicks will have to give Budd 5 years.
I’d like to think the lack of rumors surround Bud are a good sign for fans that want him as the next coach. There are so few coaching rumors around the league except Bickerstaff resigning with Grizz.
Perhaps we can root for Joe Prunty and the bucks to win game 7. I think they might have to hire if he advances.

My worries with Blatt are mainly around the way he managed (or rather didn't manage) Lebron- the stories made him sound like a rank amateur when it comes to knowing how to relate to big name players. Also I would have a genuinely difficult time rooting for Blatt due to some of his politics. So it's Bud all the way for me!

My worry with Blatt is that he might not be Perry's guy. Mills will back him but I feel like this hire needs to be about a guy that is going to work well with Perry. I would hate for Perry to get phased out because of Mills/Blatt/Robinson's relationship. Mills making moves for Blatt over Perry etc. Not sure that it will happen but that would be my biggest worry. Some of the stuff coming out about his arrogance and communication issues are also a concern but I think this needs to be a Perry hire.

I have friends who are deathly afraid of getting on a plane and flying, no idea why but it's palpable. I tell them they are more likely to die or get into an accident in a car and it doesn't phase them as they drive on home with their kids in the back seat.

No idea why people fret about the most inconceivable of situations. I mean, I guess it's possible. Mills hires one guy to be "his guy" in Perry, they goes out of his way to hire and conspire with another of "his guys" to go against the other of "his guys". It's all possible, more likely it means they'll be one step ahead of the relationship building and communication.

You can find and point to just about any team and any relationship and spearhead a theory about them getting together to down another employee, happens all the time, poor organizations are filled with them; MSG used to be filled with that type of person. Could be that they are all sitting around talking about how frighted they are about flying on a plane just before they hop in a towncar to get a ride home.

David Blatt, the former Cavaliers coach pushed aside by LeBron James, wants another shot in the NBA. Blatt had an 83-40 record as a coach in Cleveland, has a system that would fit the modern NBA game (with a lot of off-ball movement and up-tempo play), and has the advantage of having played in college at Princeton with Knicks coach Steve Mills. The challenge was player relationships. Blatt wanted to be the smartest guy in the room and put his ego out in front demanding players respect him for all his success in Europe. It instantly turned players off. This isn’t Europe where the coach has dictatorial powers over players and the organization, in the NBA the elite players have the ultimate power. Once he lost LeBron — and he did that pretty quickly — it was only a matter of time. Did Blatt learn from that experience? Does his time in Europe make him a better fit to coach Kristaps Porzingis?

Budenholzer, who wants this job badly, is the kind of detail-oriented, culture-building coach the Knicks could really use — if they give him the time and space to do the job (all eyes on owner James Dolan, not the most patient of men). Budenholzer was Gregg Popovich’s long-time lead assistant in San Antonio who had success as a coach in Atlanta, until the team lost Al Horford and Paul Millsap in successive years in free agency (Budenholzer, who was GM also, deserves blame for that). He could bring what the Knicks need, if he were allowed to build it.

The Knicks need a coach who can establish an identity and build a culture and style around Kristaps Porzingis. Then they need to give that coach the room and time — three years or more — to actually build what is needed. Blatt and Budenholzer might well be up for that task. A lack of continuity of system and style is the Knicks second-biggest organizational problem, and it stems from their biggest one (which isn’t changing).

CrushAlot wrote:

martin wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Nalod wrote:Blatt was 1. On my list but I want Budd for the obvious reasons.
But we need to be prepared to accept Blatt not because he and MIlls are buddies, but his own merits and, they have a long trusting relationship.
Bud is not publicly interviewed with anyone else even though he is rumored to be linked perhaps only by logic by Milwaukee. Giannis and a new arena is the major selling point. It is said Bucks ownership had hired its GM as a compromise to Edens and Lasky. Knicks at the moment are stable in the Front office if Dolan is no where to be seen.
Be great if Blatt would be no. 1 top assistant to Bud in NY but thats not likely.
My take is Knicks will have to give Budd 5 years.
I’d like to think the lack of rumors surround Bud are a good sign for fans that want him as the next coach. There are so few coaching rumors around the league except Bickerstaff resigning with Grizz.
Perhaps we can root for Joe Prunty and the bucks to win game 7. I think they might have to hire if he advances.

My worries with Blatt are mainly around the way he managed (or rather didn't manage) Lebron- the stories made him sound like a rank amateur when it comes to knowing how to relate to big name players. Also I would have a genuinely difficult time rooting for Blatt due to some of his politics. So it's Bud all the way for me!

My worry with Blatt is that he might not be Perry's guy. Mills will back him but I feel like this hire needs to be about a guy that is going to work well with Perry. I would hate for Perry to get phased out because of Mills/Blatt/Robinson's relationship. Mills making moves for Blatt over Perry etc. Not sure that it will happen but that would be my biggest worry. Some of the stuff coming out about his arrogance and communication issues are also a concern but I think this needs to be a Perry hire.

I have friends who are deathly afraid of getting on a plane and flying, no idea why but it's palpable. I tell them they are more likely to die or get into an accident in a car and it doesn't phase them as they drive on home with their kids in the back seat.

No idea why people fret about the most inconceivable of situations. I mean, I guess it's possible. Mills hires one guy to be "his guy" in Perry, they goes out of his way to hire and conspire with another of "his guys" to go against the other of "his guys". It's all possible, more likely it means they'll be one step ahead of the relationship building and communication.

You can find and point to just about any team and any relationship and spearhead a theory about them getting together to down another employee, happens all the time, poor organizations are filled with them; MSG used to be filled with that type of person. Could be that they are all sitting around talking about how frighted they are about flying on a plane just before they hop in a towncar to get a ride home.

I didn't mean to imply that and must not have communicated what I was thinking well. What I meant was that there might come a time where Blatt is asking Perry to make a move that Perry does not want to make. Blatt continues to insist on this move and when it doesn't happen he begins to share his displeasure with Mills and asks him to make the move. If Mills presents as a united front with Perry then no worries in that situation. But if he goes over Perry's head and makes a move for his coach over his gm the Knicks would be in trouble and Perry's position would be compromised.
If Mills decides he is too scared to fly home I am okay with it.

This scenario is not just limited to Blatt in the coaching position.

Phil Jackson knew everything. Just read his volume of books and he’ll let you know it.

Jackson’s “11 Rings’’ arrogance became his undoing in New York. That is why you cherish this exhaustive coaching search being conducted by the first-year managerial tandem of president Steve Mills and general manager Scott Perry.

The number is up to 10 interviewed candidates now — young NBA assistants James Borrego and Juwan Howard capping it off over the weekend.

The Mills-Perry Research and Development Tour started in New York, crossed the country to Los Angeles, returned to New York, veered to Europe and back again to the Big Apple for more talks.

Mills and Perry don’t pretend to know everything. Their search has become a leave-no-stone-unturned process, interviewing everyone from TNT’s Kenny Smith to new free agent Mike Budenholzer.

Perhaps candidates such as Smith, Howard and Celtics assistant Jay Larranaga, still coaching in the NBA playoffs, have no chance. But it was productive to pick their brains about the Knicks’ roster and hear their visions on the use of the young prospects.
Indications are Budenholzer, David Fizdale and David Blatt, who helped himself in his interview, have emerged as the top three candidates.Surprisingly, Mark Jackson’s candidacy hasn’t gained much traction. It’s noteworthy no other club with a vacancy interviewed Jackson, whose Golden State axing in 2014 left a sourness.

It is believed one concern is the coaching staff Jackson might construct. Jackson has been out of the coaching loop four years and warred with two of his Warriors assistants, Brian Scalabrine and Darren Erman, now flourishing as defensive coordinator in New Orleans.

If Jackson is a second-tier candidate, Mills/Perry may keep it simple and hire Budenholzer, a defensive-minded, proven winner out of the San Antonio system who wants to be here. Milwaukee, eliminated Saturday night by Boston, could leap into the Budenholzer mix. Bucks interim coach Joe Prunty is not expected to be next season’s coach.

One NBA source predicts Milwaukee will conduct “a national search.’’

The Knicks have conducted an international search and it’s been a blessed opportunity for Mills, who wasn’t allowed to embark on an earnest mission of intelligence under Jackson.

At an April 12 press conference, Mills talked about “an intellectual curiosity” among NBA front offices. He’s consulted with other team executives such as Golden State’s esteemed Bob Myers on “what it takes to be a coach in the NBA’’ regarding candidates “who can absorb all of the things different about today’s game.”
Mills listed the differences: “The use of analytics, the significance of the physical training and performance staff, how you incorporate player development into a holistic approach to coach a team.”

Perhaps it’s a lot of rhetoric, but more relevant rhetoric than triangle rhetoric.

The Jackson/Mills tandem was a forced marriage and bad timing by owner James Dolan, who plays the guitar better than he evaluates whether an offensive system is played out.

Meanwhile, Mills/Perry have become basketball’s Frick and Frack.

“We work very closely together,’’ Mills said. “We work in tandem and I give Scott the flexibility of [doing] what he thinks is right.’’

In those two Zen Master coaching searches, Mills was restricted. After Jackson’s top choice Steve Kerr reneged, Jackson spoke only to Derek Fisher and made the hire.

On his next try, Jackson reached out to an uninterested Luke Walton. After his vision of Kurt Rambis was soundly rebuffed, Jackson interviewed Blatt. The former Cavaliers coach with a stunning European résumé was Mills’ pick.
Jackson also spoke to Frank Vogel, then Jeff Hornacek, whom he had never formally met. After a six-hour interview, Hornacek was the chosen one to run a partial triangle offense despite no triangle experience.

Neither 2014 nor 2016 can be classified as thorough searches. Mills/Perry realize they need to hit a home run on this and their lottery pick. Mills/Perry want this hire to peak in “three to five years” when the Knicks hope to be ready to compete for a title.

While Jackson stopped listening and learning, Mills and Perry are always seeking information. That’s why Perry, whose father played for the Steelers, attends their training camp every summer to glean from their winning culture. Perry is close to Steelers coach Mike Tomlin.

Mills and Perry don’t write books, but they are authoring one vast coaching search.

franco12 wrote:

Nalod wrote:Berman's hack title to engage readers is a very good read....
https://nypost.com/2018/04/29/this-knicks-regime-is-putting-in-the-work-phil-jackson-never-did/

Phil Jackson knew everything. Just read his volume of books and he’ll let you know it.

Jackson’s “11 Rings’’ arrogance became his undoing in New York. That is why you cherish this exhaustive coaching search being conducted by the first-year managerial tandem of president Steve Mills and general manager Scott Perry.

The number is up to 10 interviewed candidates now — young NBA assistants James Borrego and Juwan Howard capping it off over the weekend.

The Mills-Perry Research and Development Tour started in New York, crossed the country to Los Angeles, returned to New York, veered to Europe and back again to the Big Apple for more talks.

Mills and Perry don’t pretend to know everything. Their search has become a leave-no-stone-unturned process, interviewing everyone from TNT’s Kenny Smith to new free agent Mike Budenholzer.

Perhaps candidates such as Smith, Howard and Celtics assistant Jay Larranaga, still coaching in the NBA playoffs, have no chance. But it was productive to pick their brains about the Knicks’ roster and hear their visions on the use of the young prospects.
Indications are Budenholzer, David Fizdale and David Blatt, who helped himself in his interview, have emerged as the top three candidates.Surprisingly, Mark Jackson’s candidacy hasn’t gained much traction. It’s noteworthy no other club with a vacancy interviewed Jackson, whose Golden State axing in 2014 left a sourness.

It is believed one concern is the coaching staff Jackson might construct. Jackson has been out of the coaching loop four years and warred with two of his Warriors assistants, Brian Scalabrine and Darren Erman, now flourishing as defensive coordinator in New Orleans.

If Jackson is a second-tier candidate, Mills/Perry may keep it simple and hire Budenholzer, a defensive-minded, proven winner out of the San Antonio system who wants to be here. Milwaukee, eliminated Saturday night by Boston, could leap into the Budenholzer mix. Bucks interim coach Joe Prunty is not expected to be next season’s coach.

One NBA source predicts Milwaukee will conduct “a national search.’’

The Knicks have conducted an international search and it’s been a blessed opportunity for Mills, who wasn’t allowed to embark on an earnest mission of intelligence under Jackson.

At an April 12 press conference, Mills talked about “an intellectual curiosity” among NBA front offices. He’s consulted with other team executives such as Golden State’s esteemed Bob Myers on “what it takes to be a coach in the NBA’’ regarding candidates “who can absorb all of the things different about today’s game.”
Mills listed the differences: “The use of analytics, the significance of the physical training and performance staff, how you incorporate player development into a holistic approach to coach a team.”

Perhaps it’s a lot of rhetoric, but more relevant rhetoric than triangle rhetoric.

The Jackson/Mills tandem was a forced marriage and bad timing by owner James Dolan, who plays the guitar better than he evaluates whether an offensive system is played out.

Meanwhile, Mills/Perry have become basketball’s Frick and Frack.

“We work very closely together,’’ Mills said. “We work in tandem and I give Scott the flexibility of [doing] what he thinks is right.’’

In those two Zen Master coaching searches, Mills was restricted. After Jackson’s top choice Steve Kerr reneged, Jackson spoke only to Derek Fisher and made the hire.

On his next try, Jackson reached out to an uninterested Luke Walton. After his vision of Kurt Rambis was soundly rebuffed, Jackson interviewed Blatt. The former Cavaliers coach with a stunning European résumé was Mills’ pick.
Jackson also spoke to Frank Vogel, then Jeff Hornacek, whom he had never formally met. After a six-hour interview, Hornacek was the chosen one to run a partial triangle offense despite no triangle experience.

Neither 2014 nor 2016 can be classified as thorough searches. Mills/Perry realize they need to hit a home run on this and their lottery pick. Mills/Perry want this hire to peak in “three to five years” when the Knicks hope to be ready to compete for a title.

While Jackson stopped listening and learning, Mills and Perry are always seeking information. That’s why Perry, whose father played for the Steelers, attends their training camp every summer to glean from their winning culture. Perry is close to Steelers coach Mike Tomlin.

Mills and Perry don’t write books, but they are authoring one vast coaching search.

I'm curious as to who added the 3-5 years portion of this narrative. Is that coming from the author or someone involved with Mills/Perry??

I don't know. I suppose if its Blatt, Mill's haters will have years to complain. Eventually every hater is "right", all coaches get fired at some point!!!!

As the 3-5 years, its interesting. Also Mills "Intellectual curiosity"!!! I have advocated Mills haters read up on his experience and perhaps grasp what that experience might have added up to.
Guy's like Phil and Larry are going to rely on their success to drive their decisions. Pop would be about the same. Would he be successful? Its would be assumed of course.
Knicks are going down a path Fans have not seen before. or so we are being told!!!!!

Nalod wrote:No. 11
Mike Brown interviewed with Knicks.
Who do you hate, the guy that Lebron wanted gone or do you love the head assistant coach for GSW?
Did Blatt interview or not? Why would NY times writer say so, but a Turkish writer say not?
MIlwaukee will make a run for Bud, but they need to get this one right? Giannis has to be happy and the team has to succeed.
Not sure their talent is deep, GM was a compromise pick by two owners who could not decide. Is the team an investment for the Two NY based Hedge fund guys or do they love the team? Stable ownership is important if you have choices.
I like Bud. Im not expecting a miracle this year and we all know if so, the tarnish will appear. Media will see to it.
If Blatt is the guy, im sure some of you will go at the first sign of trouble do the "Mills is awful" thing.
If Stack is the guy the "Inexperienced thing" will happen.
If Fizdale is the coach and he has a problem with KP we'll blame him because he "can't get along with guys over seven feet".

Damn, you really want Blatt. Hasnt even been hired, and you're already making this about the fans.

Nalod wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Nalod wrote:No. 11
Mike Brown interviewed with Knicks.
Who do you hate, the guy that Lebron wanted gone or do you love the head assistant coach for GSW?
Did Blatt interview or not? Why would NY times writer say so, but a Turkish writer say not?
MIlwaukee will make a run for Bud, but they need to get this one right? Giannis has to be happy and the team has to succeed.
Not sure their talent is deep, GM was a compromise pick by two owners who could not decide. Is the team an investment for the Two NY based Hedge fund guys or do they love the team? Stable ownership is important if you have choices.
I like Bud. Im not expecting a miracle this year and we all know if so, the tarnish will appear. Media will see to it.
If Blatt is the guy, im sure some of you will go at the first sign of trouble do the "Mills is awful" thing.
If Stack is the guy the "Inexperienced thing" will happen.
If Fizdale is the coach and he has a problem with KP we'll blame him because he "can't get along with guys over seven feet".

Damn, you really want Blatt. Hasnt even been hired, and you're already making this about the fans.

No, I want Bud. I have three guys IM fine with, Bud, Blatt and Fizz. Sounds like a noise my stomach makes.
Im not just focused on one hire. There is no "my guy". Thus Im not going to be upset with knicks if they don't hire "My guy".
I don't just base my decisions on past performance. Fizz discord with Gasol does not bother me, nor does Blatt's with Lebron either.
Bud has no blemish's.

The thing is, from copious reporting, Blatt got on almost everybody's bad side, because he didnt understand, didnt believe he needed to understand, the NBA Player/Coach dynamic. Blatt didnt just PO LeBron, and the others followed like lemmings. They had they're own beefs with Blatt (sounds like a cooking show)

As Ive said before, we have an unusually strong slate of potential coaches this offseason. There were years when Blatt would have been worth a shot. With Bud, and some other proven candidates available, I dont believe its now.

You dont replace a coach because he couldnt get along with his players (by mgmt and ownerships own reasoning) To hire someone who got along with them even less. Doesnt make sense.

Nalod wrote:No. 11
Mike Brown interviewed with Knicks.
Who do you hate, the guy that Lebron wanted gone or do you love the head assistant coach for GSW?
Did Blatt interview or not? Why would NY times writer say so, but a Turkish writer say not?
MIlwaukee will make a run for Bud, but they need to get this one right? Giannis has to be happy and the team has to succeed.
Not sure their talent is deep, GM was a compromise pick by two owners who could not decide. Is the team an investment for the Two NY based Hedge fund guys or do they love the team? Stable ownership is important if you have choices.
I like Bud. Im not expecting a miracle this year and we all know if so, the tarnish will appear. Media will see to it.
If Blatt is the guy, im sure some of you will go at the first sign of trouble do the "Mills is awful" thing.
If Stack is the guy the "Inexperienced thing" will happen.
If Fizdale is the coach and he has a problem with KP we'll blame him because he "can't get along with guys over seven feet".

Uh oh, I've always assumed Brown must be one superb interviewee