Knixkik wrote:

martin wrote:

Paris907 wrote:His surgeon, David Altchek, is a personal friend and did surgery on me as well. He says there were no complications, no cartilage issues. All mechanics. He says there is a lot of work ahead for KP and he will be well served to avoid 2018-2019 as we ain’t going nowhere.

Wow, thanks for the info Paris907

Since this was such a simple tear with no extra damage, i would think he would recover very quickly and be ready soon after the season starts. What am i missing?

I had my ALC replaced (patella tendon graf, no cadaver), MCL stitched and meniscus stitched when my knee was reconstructed at age 22. I played baseball for 15 years after that. During rehab, the doc warned me around 5-6 months things would start feeling good. Strength will come back. Muscles will come back. Flexibility will come back. DONT push it. The ALC is not strong enough to bear the weight of sports movements and can snap during this phase. During that 6-9 month period its light running on straight lines and absolutly no cutting. Mostly bike and pool work with light weights focused on repeating motions.

Its not a case of working through pain to get back faster. You cant speed this process up.

http://swistakchiro.com/why-do-ligament-and-tendon-injuries-take-so-long-to-heal/

fishmike wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

martin wrote:

Paris907 wrote:His surgeon, David Altchek, is a personal friend and did surgery on me as well. He says there were no complications, no cartilage issues. All mechanics. He says there is a lot of work ahead for KP and he will be well served to avoid 2018-2019 as we ain’t going nowhere.

Wow, thanks for the info Paris907

Since this was such a simple tear with no extra damage, i would think he would recover very quickly and be ready soon after the season starts. What am i missing?

the time it takes for the connective tissue to properly heal, which is regarded as 9-12mos.

I had my ALC replaced (patella tendon graf, no cadaver), MCL stitched and meniscus stitched when my knee was reconstructed at age 22. I played baseball for 15 years after that. During rehab, the doc warned me around 5-6 months things would start feeling good. Strength will come back. Muscles will come back. Flexibility will come back. DONT push it. The ALC is not strong enough to bear the weight of sports movements and can snap during this phase. During that 6-9 month period its light running on straight lines and absolutly no cutting. Mostly bike and pool work with light weights focused on repeating motions.

Its not a case of working through pain to get back faster. You cant speed this process up.

http://swistakchiro.com/why-do-ligament-and-tendon-injuries-take-so-long-to-heal/

In latest episode, he mentions he can miss all season!!!

Gudris wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

martin wrote:

Paris907 wrote:His surgeon, David Altchek, is a personal friend and did surgery on me as well. He says there were no complications, no cartilage issues. All mechanics. He says there is a lot of work ahead for KP and he will be well served to avoid 2018-2019 as we ain’t going nowhere.

Wow, thanks for the info Paris907

Since this was such a simple tear with no extra damage, i would think he would recover very quickly and be ready soon after the season starts. What am i missing?

the time it takes for the connective tissue to properly heal, which is regarded as 9-12mos.

I had my ALC replaced (patella tendon graf, no cadaver), MCL stitched and meniscus stitched when my knee was reconstructed at age 22. I played baseball for 15 years after that. During rehab, the doc warned me around 5-6 months things would start feeling good. Strength will come back. Muscles will come back. Flexibility will come back. DONT push it. The ALC is not strong enough to bear the weight of sports movements and can snap during this phase. During that 6-9 month period its light running on straight lines and absolutly no cutting. Mostly bike and pool work with light weights focused on repeating motions.

Its not a case of working through pain to get back faster. You cant speed this process up.

http://swistakchiro.com/why-do-ligament-and-tendon-injuries-take-so-long-to-heal/

In latest episode, he mentions he can miss all season!!!

Paris907 wrote:His surgeon, ***** ********, is a personal friend and did surgery on me as well. He says there were no complications, no cartilage issues. All mechanics. He says there is a lot of work ahead for KP and he will be well served to avoid 2018-2019 as we ain’t going nowhere.

Maybe you should avoid posting the guy's name on a forum. Couldn't that be seen as breaching doctor/patient confidentiality? Well I doubt he'd go into too much trouble, but if he really is a friend of yours he might not be best pleased with it.

fishmike wrote:

Gudris wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

martin wrote:

Paris907 wrote:His surgeon, David Altchek, is a personal friend and did surgery on me as well. He says there were no complications, no cartilage issues. All mechanics. He says there is a lot of work ahead for KP and he will be well served to avoid 2018-2019 as we ain’t going nowhere.

Wow, thanks for the info Paris907

Since this was such a simple tear with no extra damage, i would think he would recover very quickly and be ready soon after the season starts. What am i missing?

the time it takes for the connective tissue to properly heal, which is regarded as 9-12mos.

I had my ALC replaced (patella tendon graf, no cadaver), MCL stitched and meniscus stitched when my knee was reconstructed at age 22. I played baseball for 15 years after that. During rehab, the doc warned me around 5-6 months things would start feeling good. Strength will come back. Muscles will come back. Flexibility will come back. DONT push it. The ALC is not strong enough to bear the weight of sports movements and can snap during this phase. During that 6-9 month period its light running on straight lines and absolutly no cutting. Mostly bike and pool work with light weights focused on repeating motions.

Its not a case of working through pain to get back faster. You cant speed this process up.

http://swistakchiro.com/why-do-ligament-and-tendon-injuries-take-so-long-to-heal/

In latest episode, he mentions he can miss all season!!!

that would be best. Look at Embiid etc... wait and get him healthy. A step back for the Knicks again next year isnt a bad thing. Come back loaded up with KP, a lottery pick and possible a FA.

nixluva wrote:

martin wrote:

Paris907 wrote:His surgeon, David Altchek, is a personal friend and did surgery on me as well. He says there were no complications, no cartilage issues. All mechanics. He says there is a lot of work ahead for KP and he will be well served to avoid 2018-2019 as we ain’t going nowhere.

Wow, thanks for the info Paris907

I think the main issue is that KP wasn’t really in the best condition BEFORE the injury. The Doc is probably thinking about the time needed to address areas of weakness in KP’s body and relearning how to jump and land properly etc. They need to fix KP’s body so to speak. I think he could come back and play but to fully address his underlying issues will take longer.

I hope you're right.

Maybe he's changed his lifestyle and diet now and that very well help prevent injury.

Nalod wrote:The video was good and confirms what we have all seen: the kid is 7'3 and moves like a SF which is new ground for the basketball fans. It presented problems from day one. Easy to say what he needs to do to stay healthy but his instincts can't be just shut off. I have never seen this package in a player before. I'm sure players like Ralph Sampson had this but he was not allowed to play “small” and he broke down from bad back.
He has no ceiling or a box to classify him.

Every time I see KP, I see Ralph Sampson. I think the big difference is today's game accommodates and encourages the big player that can shoot from outside.

It wasn't just back issues that did him in - it started with a knee injury:

Sampson hurt his left knee during the 1986-87 season but instead of staying on the sidelines he rushed his rehab and played on the bad knee. Sampson told NBA TV recently that he had very little cartilage in his left knee and his decision to return too soon proved to be an epic mistake. His game suffered from it and eventually curtailed his promising career.

“I should have been out for a year but came back after eight weeks because I wanted to play the game of basketball and the sport that I love,” Sampson said. “I probably came back a little too early, but we had a chance to go back to The Finals with the team we had, and I wanted to go back with my teammates.”

Sampson was never the same after his knee gave out. He started having back issues as well and because his body was breaking down his confidence began to sag too.

http://onemanfastbreak.net/the-big-hurt-how-injuries-destroyed-ralph-sampsons-hall-of-fame-career/

I hope our medical staff doesn't screw this up like they have historically done. Remember Phil wanted to bring in new medical staff, and Dolan vetod?

The Mets and Knicks must share medical in-experts because both have constantly messed things up.

franco12 wrote:

Nalod wrote:The video was good and confirms what we have all seen: the kid is 7'3 and moves like a SF which is new ground for the basketball fans. It presented problems from day one. Easy to say what he needs to do to stay healthy but his instincts can't be just shut off. I have never seen this package in a player before. I'm sure players like Ralph Sampson had this but he was not allowed to play “small” and he broke down from bad back.
He has no ceiling or a box to classify him.

Every time I see KP, I see Ralph Sampson. I think the big difference is today's game accommodates and encourages the big player that can shoot from outside.

It wasn't just back issues that did him in - it started with a knee injury:

Sampson hurt his left knee during the 1986-87 season but instead of staying on the sidelines he rushed his rehab and played on the bad knee. Sampson told NBA TV recently that he had very little cartilage in his left knee and his decision to return too soon proved to be an epic mistake. His game suffered from it and eventually curtailed his promising career.

“I should have been out for a year but came back after eight weeks because I wanted to play the game of basketball and the sport that I love,” Sampson said. “I probably came back a little too early, but we had a chance to go back to The Finals with the team we had, and I wanted to go back with my teammates.”

Sampson was never the same after his knee gave out. He started having back issues as well and because his body was breaking down his confidence began to sag too.

http://onemanfastbreak.net/the-big-hurt-how-injuries-destroyed-ralph-sampsons-hall-of-fame-career/

I hope our medical staff doesn't screw this up like they have historically done. Remember Phil wanted to bring in new medical staff, and Dolan vetod?

The Mets and Knicks must share medical in-experts because both have constantly messed things up.

I hate to say this, but I've had these worries as well.

The good news is we know FAR more about health, diet, training, etc. and I believe more injuries can be prevented. Players like KP can utilize all of the newer ideas in sports science and health to keep him fitter than the past. One challenge, however, is that players in pro sports everywhere now are far more athletic and physically strong so the pace and intensity of the game is higher in ways, even if the kind of physical play that was once allowed in a lot of sports is either gone, or decreasing.

martin wrote:

PresIke wrote:

Nalod wrote:

PresIke wrote:

nixluva wrote:

martin wrote:

Paris907 wrote:His surgeon, David Altchek, is a personal friend and did surgery on me as well. He says there were no complications, no cartilage issues. All mechanics. He says there is a lot of work ahead for KP and he will be well served to avoid 2018-2019 as we ain’t going nowhere.

Wow, thanks for the info Paris907

I think the main issue is that KP wasn’t really in the best condition BEFORE the injury. The Doc is probably thinking about the time needed to address areas of weakness in KP’s body and relearning how to jump and land properly etc. They need to fix KP’s body so to speak. I think he could come back and play but to fully address his underlying issues will take longer.

I hope you're right.

Maybe he's changed his lifestyle and diet now and that very well help prevent injury.

what do we know of him that would make you think he was not in good shape, good diet, etc? The kid is anemic. To what degree and how it would effect his body is not exactly public knowledge.
Kid was playing at a very high level and tends to over do it. Finding a pace perhaps is the right balance. He tended to over train. Score 21 and 8 rebs in the best league and an allstar is not an indication he is out of shape and not making good choices.

My take from watching part 2 and 3 of was that the woman who is cooking for him seems like a new addition to his life, and made it sound like she's changed his diet to vegan/high protein baeed. There are still well regarded nutritionists and functional medicine folks who say consuming organic meats (6 oz. servings) and grass fed beef (not too frequent) can still be positive for overall health there is evidence that many of us eat too much meat, refined sugars and white carbs that tend to break down into sugar (white potatoes & rice being the biggest culprit) and processed foods.

In European soccer, some big name managers have imposed changes to their players' diets, (no pizza, less meat, much less white rice - which for big name players from Argentina/Brazil that can be a big shift in diet. It's shown to have a real impact on physical well being and affect propensity for injuries, particularly muscle injuries, I believe.

Also, the exercises he is engaging in seem to be new to KP and are about strengthening and providing flexibility to muscles, etc. he probably had not been working out as much with just his personal trainer/brother (?).

I missed the first episode, but did it come out he was anemic?

Some strange assumptions with your post.

It was known KP was anemic before he was drafted. That was public info

I will admit I completely didn't know that, and I followed that draft year pretty closely as I wanted Phil to draft KP going in after watching a bunch of scouting vids compared to who else was available.

Despite that I don't recall that. I had not been paying so close attention to that aspect. Do all fans really know that, man? I don't mean to sound defensive, but I think you have to be a VERY hard core fan to have that info. I'm not following everything with the Knicks over the past season or so as closely for a long list of reasons, but I still pay some attention. I don't think all fans know that unless you're on message boards all of the time.

What else seemed strange from what I wrote? Respect.