it's not fair, but if you are so disrespected by the best player in the league like that, no player will respect you after that.

he's a joke to every nba player and even the incoming draft class.

Hellllll No.

BigRedDog wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

BigRedDog wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Saw some stats about how the Knicks shared the rock under Hornacek, not seen by this franchise in decades. Hornacek got them to set more screens than Ive seen any Knick coach do, in many, many, years. They were playing D, and bought in until KP was out for the season. Also called effective plays out of timeouts.

Nevermind his relationship with Noah (brought that on himself). Telling Willy to tell KP he is playing like a bitch (Willy?) was a bitch move. Believe Hornacek got spoiled in Utah. As good as Jeff was, I think he forgot what its like to have two future HOFers on your team, doing most of the heavy lifting. Has to do a better job of relating to players who dont have a Stockton/Malone to pass to.

Rarely saw any screens set and their defense sucked

Then you werent paying attention.

Why don't you share these "stats" that showed how they shared the rock better than any Knick team in the last 20-30 yrs. Should make an interesting read. Because you said they set more screens that makes it a fact? You lost your credibility when you stated they played defense. Any team knew all they had to do was pass the ball 3-4 times against the Knicks and then had an open shot. Yeah, great defense. Probably the main reason Horny got canned, their defense sucked.

From Isola, 2 days ago

The Knicks’ field-goal percentage is currently the highest since 2000 and they’ve recorded more assists than any Knicks team since 1994-95.

As far as defense, things broke down affer KP left, but they were playing D, guys like Kanter were getting pulled for not playing hard enough. Ive been pointing out the lack of screens set on this board for years, and pointed out repeatedly this season (including game threads) how many more were being set this season. I would worry more about your credibility.

WaltLongmire wrote:

BigRedDog wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

BigRedDog wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Saw some stats about how the Knicks shared the rock under Hornacek, not seen by this franchise in decades. Hornacek got them to set more screens than Ive seen any Knick coach do, in many, many, years. They were playing D, and bought in until KP was out for the season. Also called effective plays out of timeouts.

Nevermind his relationship with Noah (brought that on himself). Telling Willy to tell KP he is playing like a bitch (Willy?) was a bitch move. Believe Hornacek got spoiled in Utah. As good as Jeff was, I think he forgot what its like to have two future HOFers on your team, doing most of the heavy lifting. Has to do a better job of relating to players who dont have a Stockton/Malone to pass to.

Rarely saw any screens set and their defense sucked

Then you werent paying attention.

Why don't you share these "stats" that showed how they shared the rock better than any Knick team in the last 20-30 yrs. Should make an interesting read. Because you said they set more screens that makes it a fact? You lost your credibility when you stated they played defense. Any team knew all they had to do was pass the ball 3-4 times against the Knicks and then had an open shot. Yeah, great defense. Probably the main reason Horny got canned, their defense sucked.

I put out the Begley tweet on the first page...

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/IanBegley/status/984060468997353473

Six years of hardcore ball hogging and chucking - Gone! The results speak for themselves. Cue - sound of a toliet unclogging after you pull the plunger.

GustavBahler wrote:Saw some stats about how the Knicks shared the rock under Hornacek, not seen by this franchise in decades. Hornacek got them to set more screens than Ive seen any Knick coach do, in many, many, years. They were playing D, and bought in until KP was out for the season. Also called effective plays out of timeouts.

Nevermind his relationship with Noah (brought that on himself). Telling Willy to tell KP he is playing like a bitch (Willy?) was a bitch move. Believe Hornacek got spoiled in Utah. As good as Jeff was, I think he forgot what its like to have two future HOFers on your team, doing most of the heavy lifting. Has to do a better job of relating to players who dont have a Stockton/Malone to pass to.

Dont think JH's problem was how he ran the offense. I lost confidence with his personality/character when he agreed to lay down for Phil. Anyone that agrees to take a job and run someone else's system, just to get that job, is not the guy you want to lead your team. Imo.

Prediction is simple. Our Ivy league kiss ass will pick his buddy and pretend like he considered everyone else. Hey at least he took another step at getting rid of those tied to Uncle Phil. I wonder if the next guy will run the Triangle. Lmao.

My pick is Wright but no way he leaves a GREAT situation for a F...Up one like the Knicks. Jackson did a good job with GS but no way Mills brings in a guy he may not be able to control. Same for Kidd. Coach from Memphis would be meh, but he did not get much out of of their better players. Doc 8s under contract, so he is out. Don't know much about Stacks coaching style.

Papabear wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:Please hire JVG

Papabear Says

JVG Has no relationships with young players. He is old school. It won't work with young players. He also ran out on New York. What make you think he won't do it again.

Do you repeat all your past success or failures verbatim?
He has no relationship with any players, he's been out for years now!
There is no link to him other than he is not coaching and he used to coach here. I don't even know why his name keeps coming up? Is it fans or media?
One would assume he'd want a nice situation if he wanted back in, a sort of team like Portland that feels like its current coach has taken them as far as it could go and needs a new voice. but a young team that needs patience? I don't see JVG either.

BigRedDog wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:Please hire JVG

Why so he can quit on this franchise again???

Thats a long grudge you're holding

smackeddog wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:Please hire JVG

That's one of my top picks. He's smart, one of the last coaches we had that could actually make in game adjustments that gave us the upper hand. He was great at improving player's defense and toughening up some of the softer younger players (see Camby). Those are two of the most important things for me. Also he can handle NY and the media too. Experienced too- I've had it with rookie coaches, and those with just one or two years under their belt.

From the press conference yesterday, it sounds like Mills and Perry have questions as to whether he can relate to todays player's (I think he will be able to- they'll be familiar with him too from his commentary work, and he did well this past summer), and whether he can embrace analytics- I've no idea about whether he can or not.

My main reservations are, can he coach a modern offense? (again his commentary and analysis should have helped him learn a lot in this regard), can he develop young players (he used to bench rookies and trade them and picks for veterans- has this changed?).

I'm also interested in Steve Clifford, who the Hornets just got rid of and also Fizdale.

+1

Have always been SUPER impressed with the Miam Heat conditioning (they demand their players are in great shape) and the effort level they seem to play with -- plus how they find/develop some gems out of the weeds.

For above reason I think Fizdale could be a good choice and I would view his conflicts with Gasol as a good thing because it shows he did not back down from a star player. Part of the reason I was fairly impressed with Horny is because he had players bitching at him because he confronted their lazy asses when they were slacking (at least this year I thought he did).

I'd rank...

Blatt
Stackhouse
Fizdale
Kidd

JVG has a BRUTAL offense and lets nobody forget he QUIT on this franchise (his team). Mark Jackson yuck.

LivingLegend wrote:I like a few of the guys out there like Blatt, Stackhouse and Fizdale --- would also root for Kidd just because of the player he once was...plus how he impacted our team 4 years ago.

Have always been SUPER impressed with the Miam Heat conditioning (they demand their players are in great shape) and the effort level they seem to play with -- plus how they find/develop some gems out of the weeds.

For above reason I think Fizdale could be a good choice and I would view his conflicts with Gasol as a good thing because it shows he did not back down from a star player. Part of the reason I was fairly impressed with Horny is because he had players bitching at him because he confronted their lazy asses when they were slacking (at least this year I thought he did).

I'd rank...

Blatt
Stackhouse
Fizdale
Kidd

JVG has a BRUTAL offense and lets nobody forget he QUIT on this franchise (his team). Mark Jackson yuck.

JVG's offense is one of the questions I have regarding him, however, to be fair, it's been a long time since he last coached, and he's been studying the game for his tv job since then- he's bound to have developed that area. Plus, he did a pretty good job of completely changing the offense back when he was forced to play Spree and Camby more- brought in more of a running game. I don't think JVG offense of today would be anything like his old offense.

Him quitting on the team doesn't bother me- as a coach you either quit or eventually get fired, it's not a big deal, I don't take his resignation personally.