Jmpasq wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Vmart wrote:

reub wrote:Dotson did it last night within the offensive schemes too. He never forced any shots and was unselfish. Also 11 rebounds and good defense.

Thanks, Phil!

The Knicks way is so damn mind boggling. They have Dotson right under their nose and they look elsewhere for answers instead of giving him a shot.

He did have a bad incident of questionable consent in a sexual encounter. He had to transfer. From all accounts he owned up to a mistake and is a good kid. "Rapist"? Read up on the incident, its not an unfair label.
As for the usual "lets blame Knicks for keeping him down" as if he was always ready to score 30pts in a game is typical. Kid is a good player and we should praise the process that got him to that game last night. Where it goes from here is undetermined.
"Arrived"? Might be a strong label. Happy we are having these moments thru a miserable season. Not everyone will stick.
Baker has to thank his lucky stars he got his money cuz he got some work to do!

Baker was always awful, I still have no idea what the Knicks were thinking. He is one of the worst contracts in the NBA. He has no business making that much. Dotson is far more skilled than Baker, its not even close.

All the more reason to be concern about future contract negotiations. They may do something stupid like stretch NOAH and saddle the cap with his contract for years to come.

Vmart wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Vmart wrote:

reub wrote:Dotson did it last night within the offensive schemes too. He never forced any shots and was unselfish. Also 11 rebounds and good defense.

Thanks, Phil!

The Knicks way is so damn mind boggling. They have Dotson right under their nose and they look elsewhere for answers instead of giving him a shot.

He did have a bad incident of questionable consent in a sexual encounter. He had to transfer. From all accounts he owned up to a mistake and is a good kid. "Rapist"? Read up on the incident, its not an unfair label.
As for the usual "lets blame Knicks for keeping him down" as if he was always ready to score 30pts in a game is typical. Kid is a good player and we should praise the process that got him to that game last night. Where it goes from here is undetermined.
"Arrived"? Might be a strong label. Happy we are having these moments thru a miserable season. Not everyone will stick.
Baker has to thank his lucky stars he got his money cuz he got some work to do!

Baker was always awful, I still have no idea what the Knicks were thinking. He is one of the worst contracts in the NBA. He has no business making that much. Dotson is far more skilled than Baker, its not even close.

This is what happens when developing players aren’t given sufficient playing time. The Knicks are notorious for over paying what they don’t know or have enough data to make a sound judgment. This is what I have saying all along this is a development year why are the vets playing so much. Dotson, ntlikina, Kornet, Hernangomez and Burke should have been called up way sooner because he was lighting it up in G league should have been racking up minutes right off the bat. For me this was a developmental disaster of a year. The Knicks didn’t create any certainty of players they can go forward with and they didn’t secure a draft lottery position that will yield a possible great player.

The Knicks keep talking about improving the perimeter defense (Knicks are one of the worst teams in the NBA at defending the perimeter). Well news flash the perimeter defense will not improve unless the Knicks play good perimeter defenders which Dotson is.

Posters keep saying winning is a culture Well Dotson with his 2 way potential could be part of that winning culture. Add another potential elite defender say Mikal Bridges and suddenly you have the makings of a winning defensive culture(Dotson, Bridges, Frank KP) but of course Jeff and the Knicks would rather play Mudiay who does not play a lick of defense SMH. Finally (only because of injuries not smarts Dotson) gets playing time and lights it up.

People say it is a small sample size-one game. Well whose fault is that. This is the entire point Dotson should have been playing so there would be a large enough sample size to see if he could be part of the winning culture. Now we know no more than we did before because Jeff refused to play him.

martin wrote:

awe1028 wrote:

Vmart wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Vmart wrote:

reub wrote:Dotson did it last night within the offensive schemes too. He never forced any shots and was unselfish. Also 11 rebounds and good defense.

Thanks, Phil!

The Knicks way is so damn mind boggling. They have Dotson right under their nose and they look elsewhere for answers instead of giving him a shot.

He did have a bad incident of questionable consent in a sexual encounter. He had to transfer. From all accounts he owned up to a mistake and is a good kid. "Rapist"? Read up on the incident, its not an unfair label.
As for the usual "lets blame Knicks for keeping him down" as if he was always ready to score 30pts in a game is typical. Kid is a good player and we should praise the process that got him to that game last night. Where it goes from here is undetermined.
"Arrived"? Might be a strong label. Happy we are having these moments thru a miserable season. Not everyone will stick.
Baker has to thank his lucky stars he got his money cuz he got some work to do!

Baker was always awful, I still have no idea what the Knicks were thinking. He is one of the worst contracts in the NBA. He has no business making that much. Dotson is far more skilled than Baker, its not even close.

This is what happens when developing players aren’t given sufficient playing time. The Knicks are notorious for over paying what they don’t know or have enough data to make a sound judgment. This is what I have saying all along this is a development year why are the vets playing so much. Dotson, ntlikina, Kornet, Hernangomez and Burke should have been called up way sooner because he was lighting it up in G league should have been racking up minutes right off the bat. For me this was a developmental disaster of a year. The Knicks didn’t create any certainty of players they can go forward with and they didn’t secure a draft lottery position that will yield a possible great player.

This is exactly right. Dotson is exactly the kind of player the knicks should be developing. Dotson is probably the best perimeter defender besides Frank and maybe Ron Baker. But unlike Baker he has significant offensive potential.

The Knicks keep talking about improving the perimeter defense (Knicks are one of the worst teams in the NBA at defending the perimeter). Well news flash the perimeter defense will not improve unless the Knicks play good perimeter defenders which Dotson is.

Posters keep saying winning is a culture Well Dotson with his 2 way potential could be part of that winning culture. Add another potential elite defender say Mikal Bridges and suddenly you have the makings of a winning defensive culture(Dotson, Bridges, Frank KP) but of course Jeff and the Knicks would rather play Mudiay who does not play a lick of defense SMH. Finally (only because of injuries not smarts Dotson) gets playing time and lights it up.

People say it is a small sample size-one game. Well whose fault is that. This is the entire point Dotson should have been playing so there would be a large enough sample size to see if he could be part of the winning culture. Now we know no more than we did before because Jeff refused to play him.

I think the Knicks handled Dotson well this season.

You can't just play Dotson when you have Lee/THJr on the team too. Moving Lee this offseason/next season is paramount to moving forward.

WaltLongmire wrote:

martin wrote:

awe1028 wrote:

Vmart wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Vmart wrote:

reub wrote:Dotson did it last night within the offensive schemes too. He never forced any shots and was unselfish. Also 11 rebounds and good defense.

Thanks, Phil!

The Knicks way is so damn mind boggling. They have Dotson right under their nose and they look elsewhere for answers instead of giving him a shot.

He did have a bad incident of questionable consent in a sexual encounter. He had to transfer. From all accounts he owned up to a mistake and is a good kid. "Rapist"? Read up on the incident, its not an unfair label.
As for the usual "lets blame Knicks for keeping him down" as if he was always ready to score 30pts in a game is typical. Kid is a good player and we should praise the process that got him to that game last night. Where it goes from here is undetermined.
"Arrived"? Might be a strong label. Happy we are having these moments thru a miserable season. Not everyone will stick.
Baker has to thank his lucky stars he got his money cuz he got some work to do!

Baker was always awful, I still have no idea what the Knicks were thinking. He is one of the worst contracts in the NBA. He has no business making that much. Dotson is far more skilled than Baker, its not even close.

This is what happens when developing players aren’t given sufficient playing time. The Knicks are notorious for over paying what they don’t know or have enough data to make a sound judgment. This is what I have saying all along this is a development year why are the vets playing so much. Dotson, ntlikina, Kornet, Hernangomez and Burke should have been called up way sooner because he was lighting it up in G league should have been racking up minutes right off the bat. For me this was a developmental disaster of a year. The Knicks didn’t create any certainty of players they can go forward with and they didn’t secure a draft lottery position that will yield a possible great player.

This is exactly right. Dotson is exactly the kind of player the knicks should be developing. Dotson is probably the best perimeter defender besides Frank and maybe Ron Baker. But unlike Baker he has significant offensive potential.

The Knicks keep talking about improving the perimeter defense (Knicks are one of the worst teams in the NBA at defending the perimeter). Well news flash the perimeter defense will not improve unless the Knicks play good perimeter defenders which Dotson is.

Posters keep saying winning is a culture Well Dotson with his 2 way potential could be part of that winning culture. Add another potential elite defender say Mikal Bridges and suddenly you have the makings of a winning defensive culture(Dotson, Bridges, Frank KP) but of course Jeff and the Knicks would rather play Mudiay who does not play a lick of defense SMH. Finally (only because of injuries not smarts Dotson) gets playing time and lights it up.

People say it is a small sample size-one game. Well whose fault is that. This is the entire point Dotson should have been playing so there would be a large enough sample size to see if he could be part of the winning culture. Now we know no more than we did before because Jeff refused to play him.

I think the Knicks handled Dotson well this season.

You can't just play Dotson when you have Lee/THJr on the team too. Moving Lee this offseason/next season is paramount to moving forward.

Lee is a solid player and great locker room guy with a very good contract...Maybe he's a draft day trade?

Lee was on the trading block, but who knows what the offers were, clearly not enough for the FO to blink.

Dotson is clearly more NBA ready thn frank, plays better d than MCDERMOT, better offense than Lance(all of whom played super inconsistent) and THJ miss 6 weeks, and your telling me they couldn't find minutes.

The Knicks do a piss poor job of developing and if you don't think so, then it's all about ROOTING FOR THE HOME TEAM no matter whatever stupid sht they do.

newyorknewyork wrote:When Hardaway went down earlier in the yr. Dotson got the starting nod. He didn't play well and lost his mins.

That's very true, but how many games did frank score zero points and 5 TO's and was sub par defensively, same goes for lance, those 2 got to play through every mistake, every bad game, minimal repercussion, while guys like Noah, dotson and burke were getting yanked.

That's part of the reason why I thought this entire season was dedicated to 19 yr old FRANK.

knicks1248 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:When Hardaway went down earlier in the yr. Dotson got the starting nod. He didn't play well and lost his mins.

That's very true, but how many games did frank score zero points and 5 TO's and was sub par defensively, same goes for lance, those 2 got to play through every mistake, every bad game, minimal repercussion, while guys like Noah, dotson and burke were getting yanked.

That's part of the reason why I thought this entire season was dedicated to 19 yr old FRANK.

Frank got yanked plenty. 13mins vs Philly, 16mins vs Dallas, 10mins vs Washington, 10mins vs Miluakee, 6mins vs ATL, 9mins vs Pho. And many many more as this was just a month and a half I looked at on my screen. All in his game log.

newyorknewyork wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:When Hardaway went down earlier in the yr. Dotson got the starting nod. He didn't play well and lost his mins.

That's very true, but how many games did frank score zero points and 5 TO's and was sub par defensively, same goes for lance, those 2 got to play through every mistake, every bad game, minimal repercussion, while guys like Noah, dotson and burke were getting yanked.

That's part of the reason why I thought this entire season was dedicated to 19 yr old FRANK.

Frank got yanked plenty. 13mins vs Philly, 16mins vs Dallas, 10mins vs Washington, 10mins vs Miluakee, 6mins vs ATL, 9mins vs Pho. And many many more as this was just a month and a half I looked at on my screen. All in his game log.

Thats why i said minimal, because at least he played some minutes, Dotson was a complete scratch

CrushAlot wrote:

awe1028 wrote:

martin wrote:

awe1028 wrote:

Vmart wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Vmart wrote:

reub wrote:Dotson did it last night within the offensive schemes too. He never forced any shots and was unselfish. Also 11 rebounds and good defense.

Thanks, Phil!

The Knicks way is so damn mind boggling. They have Dotson right under their nose and they look elsewhere for answers instead of giving him a shot.

He did have a bad incident of questionable consent in a sexual encounter. He had to transfer. From all accounts he owned up to a mistake and is a good kid. "Rapist"? Read up on the incident, its not an unfair label.
As for the usual "lets blame Knicks for keeping him down" as if he was always ready to score 30pts in a game is typical. Kid is a good player and we should praise the process that got him to that game last night. Where it goes from here is undetermined.
"Arrived"? Might be a strong label. Happy we are having these moments thru a miserable season. Not everyone will stick.
Baker has to thank his lucky stars he got his money cuz he got some work to do!

Baker was always awful, I still have no idea what the Knicks were thinking. He is one of the worst contracts in the NBA. He has no business making that much. Dotson is far more skilled than Baker, its not even close.

This is what happens when developing players aren’t given sufficient playing time. The Knicks are notorious for over paying what they don’t know or have enough data to make a sound judgment. This is what I have saying all along this is a development year why are the vets playing so much. Dotson, ntlikina, Kornet, Hernangomez and Burke should have been called up way sooner because he was lighting it up in G league should have been racking up minutes right off the bat. For me this was a developmental disaster of a year. The Knicks didn’t create any certainty of players they can go forward with and they didn’t secure a draft lottery position that will yield a possible great player.

This is exactly right. Dotson is exactly the kind of player the knicks should be developing. Dotson is probably the best perimeter defender besides Frank and maybe Ron Baker. But unlike Baker he has significant offensive potential.

The Knicks keep talking about improving the perimeter defense (Knicks are one of the worst teams in the NBA at defending the perimeter). Well news flash the perimeter defense will not improve unless the Knicks play good perimeter defenders which Dotson is.

Posters keep saying winning is a culture Well Dotson with his 2 way potential could be part of that winning culture. Add another potential elite defender say Mikal Bridges and suddenly you have the makings of a winning defensive culture(Dotson, Bridges, Frank KP) but of course Jeff and the Knicks would rather play Mudiay who does not play a lick of defense SMH. Finally (only because of injuries not smarts Dotson) gets playing time and lights it up.

People say it is a small sample size-one game. Well whose fault is that. This is the entire point Dotson should have been playing so there would be a large enough sample size to see if he could be part of the winning culture. Now we know no more than we did before because Jeff refused to play him.

I think the Knicks handled Dotson well this season.

You can't just play Dotson when you have Lee/THJr on the team too. Moving Lee this offseason/next season is paramount to moving forward.

I get you have to satisfy the veterans but the Knicks gave Dotson absolutely no playing time whatsoever. After the all star game when they sat Jack that would have been the perfect time to see what they had in Dotson. They could have have sit CLee using the same explanation they used for sitting Jack.

Then if Dotson showed something they could even think about trading THJR if they got anything of value in return and opened up precious salary cap space.

Jeff kept saying how poor the team's perimeter defense was and he also kept extolling the virtues of Dotson's defense. Common sense would be to give Dotson some time to see if the perimeter defense could improve but he did not give him a whiff of meaningful playing time.

And now Dotson lights it up and it is exciting. But you can't get too excited because it is a small sample size. It did not have to be that way if Jeff had been smart enough to give DD just some playing time.

Dotson played a lot for Westchester. His court time was just in a different place. He practiced with the team and did get some minutes with the big club. The g league is what was the developmental league. I disagree about Lee and Jack being similar. Lee is a team captain and has a big contract. Jack made the team out of training camp and is a minimum guy. Also, Lee's minutes have declined since the Knicks began developing younger guys.

As I said before he just dropped 30 points with 11 rebounds (he has that reputation of being a great rebounder for a a guard how invaluable that would be for a guard)and we still don't know how good he is because he did not play Jeff missed the opportunity.

martin wrote:

awe1028 wrote:

Vmart wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Vmart wrote:

reub wrote:Dotson did it last night within the offensive schemes too. He never forced any shots and was unselfish. Also 11 rebounds and good defense.

Thanks, Phil!

The Knicks way is so damn mind boggling. They have Dotson right under their nose and they look elsewhere for answers instead of giving him a shot.

He did have a bad incident of questionable consent in a sexual encounter. He had to transfer. From all accounts he owned up to a mistake and is a good kid. "Rapist"? Read up on the incident, its not an unfair label.
As for the usual "lets blame Knicks for keeping him down" as if he was always ready to score 30pts in a game is typical. Kid is a good player and we should praise the process that got him to that game last night. Where it goes from here is undetermined.
"Arrived"? Might be a strong label. Happy we are having these moments thru a miserable season. Not everyone will stick.
Baker has to thank his lucky stars he got his money cuz he got some work to do!

Baker was always awful, I still have no idea what the Knicks were thinking. He is one of the worst contracts in the NBA. He has no business making that much. Dotson is far more skilled than Baker, its not even close.

This is what happens when developing players aren’t given sufficient playing time. The Knicks are notorious for over paying what they don’t know or have enough data to make a sound judgment. This is what I have saying all along this is a development year why are the vets playing so much. Dotson, ntlikina, Kornet, Hernangomez and Burke should have been called up way sooner because he was lighting it up in G league should have been racking up minutes right off the bat. For me this was a developmental disaster of a year. The Knicks didn’t create any certainty of players they can go forward with and they didn’t secure a draft lottery position that will yield a possible great player.

This is exactly right. Dotson is exactly the kind of player the knicks should be developing. Dotson is probably the best perimeter defender besides Frank and maybe Ron Baker. But unlike Baker he has significant offensive potential.

The Knicks keep talking about improving the perimeter defense (Knicks are one of the worst teams in the NBA at defending the perimeter). Well news flash the perimeter defense will not improve unless the Knicks play good perimeter defenders which Dotson is.

Posters keep saying winning is a culture Well Dotson with his 2 way potential could be part of that winning culture. Add another potential elite defender say Mikal Bridges and suddenly you have the makings of a winning defensive culture(Dotson, Bridges, Frank KP) but of course Jeff and the Knicks would rather play Mudiay who does not play a lick of defense SMH. Finally (only because of injuries not smarts Dotson) gets playing time and lights it up.

People say it is a small sample size-one game. Well whose fault is that. This is the entire point Dotson should have been playing so there would be a large enough sample size to see if he could be part of the winning culture. Now we know no more than we did before because Jeff refused to play him.

I think the Knicks handled Dotson well this season.

You can't just play Dotson when you have Lee/THJr on the team too. Moving Lee this offseason/next season is paramount to moving forward.

THJR was hurt for a bit Dotson should have seen more time, instead he was in the G-league. Once KP went down it should have been easy to cut Lee's minutes.

knicks1248 wrote:It's funny how Dotson looks way more NBA ready the Frank, yet he was cemented to the bench. I just can't conclude weather that was JH's fault or perry and mills

With your redundancy of the matter its no wonder you can function at any level..

Uptown wrote:Be careful of assuming a player has arrived when they put up big #'s towards the end of the season...We've seen this before.

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