I’m admittedly old school. Kanter is toonold school for me. In a league of athletic bigs, he’s a defensive liability without a jumper, a $20 million tough guy that can’t guard bigs.
Think: Embiid, Towns, Horford, A Davis, Ayton,
Bamba Bagley. We need a newly minted two way big. Stretch Noah and let’s draft a 5..

Paris907 wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:There are a few FA's out there I would like but I'm afraid signing them will give us to many wins. Next year has to be a tank year, so I'm almost hoping he doesn't opt out so we can get into the top 5.

Tanking again sounds cruel. Depending on how KP comes back, i can See one of several scenarios:

1/. We get lucky finally and draft top 3. Doncic, Ayton, Jackson, Bagley
2/. We don’t get as lucky: Mikel or W Carter or Sexton.

Likely: Noah stretched. We pick up a FA

KP
Carter
Frank
Burke
THJr

Beas
THJr
FA
———/-/—

Kanter gone, OQuinn gone, Thomas ?

tanking again may sound cruel, but be honest with yourself- what is our record likely to be next year? Hopefully we draft a good player who is like Frank and a few years away from potential. Even if KP is health day 1, he is still a year or two away from being able to sustain his performance for a full season.

Add that all up, we are at least 2-3 years away from being half way decent.

If Kanter opts out, I'm going to keep as much of that cap room open. KP has a big payday coming up (not happy about that) and I want to be opportunistic like the Nets where I can absorb a contract and get a talent/draft pick in the process.

I don't stretch Noah now. I invite him back after JH is likely gone this summer.

He gives me tank minutes at center.

Then, I look at cutting him or trading him in the summer of 2019. And then that year I think you look at adding a FA piece or two.

franco12 wrote:

Paris907 wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:There are a few FA's out there I would like but I'm afraid signing them will give us to many wins. Next year has to be a tank year, so I'm almost hoping he doesn't opt out so we can get into the top 5.

Tanking again sounds cruel. Depending on how KP comes back, i can See one of several scenarios:

1/. We get lucky finally and draft top 3. Doncic, Ayton, Jackson, Bagley
2/. We don’t get as lucky: Mikel or W Carter or Sexton.

Likely: Noah stretched. We pick up a FA

KP
Carter
Frank
Burke
THJr

Beas
THJr
FA
———/-/—

Kanter gone, OQuinn gone, Thomas ?

tanking again may sound cruel, but be honest with yourself- what is our record likely to be next year? Hopefully we draft a good player who is like Frank and a few years away from potential. Even if KP is health day 1, he is still a year or two away from being able to sustain his performance for a full season.

Add that all up, we are at least 2-3 years away from being half way decent.

If Kanter opts out, I'm going to keep as much of that cap room open. KP has a big payday coming up (not happy about that) and I want to be opportunistic like the Nets where I can absorb a contract and get a talent/draft pick in the process.

I don't stretch Noah now. I invite him back after JH is likely gone this summer.

He gives me tank minutes at center.

Then, I look at cutting him or trading him in the summer of 2019. And then that year I think you look at adding a FA piece or two.

tanking to me is when management tries to set everything up to fail from the get go. I don't think bringing in THJ and Kanter and trading picks for a lotto pick (albeit a bad one) qualifies as tanking.

No one is going to want to come here next year. the team should be waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay worse and I doubt management will even try all that much. next year will be tankerific

SupremeCommander wrote:

franco12 wrote:

Paris907 wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:There are a few FA's out there I would like but I'm afraid signing them will give us to many wins. Next year has to be a tank year, so I'm almost hoping he doesn't opt out so we can get into the top 5.

Tanking again sounds cruel. Depending on how KP comes back, i can See one of several scenarios:

1/. We get lucky finally and draft top 3. Doncic, Ayton, Jackson, Bagley
2/. We don’t get as lucky: Mikel or W Carter or Sexton.

Likely: Noah stretched. We pick up a FA

KP
Carter
Frank
Burke
THJr

Beas
THJr
FA
———/-/—

Kanter gone, OQuinn gone, Thomas ?

tanking again may sound cruel, but be honest with yourself- what is our record likely to be next year? Hopefully we draft a good player who is like Frank and a few years away from potential. Even if KP is health day 1, he is still a year or two away from being able to sustain his performance for a full season.

Add that all up, we are at least 2-3 years away from being half way decent.

If Kanter opts out, I'm going to keep as much of that cap room open. KP has a big payday coming up (not happy about that) and I want to be opportunistic like the Nets where I can absorb a contract and get a talent/draft pick in the process.

I don't stretch Noah now. I invite him back after JH is likely gone this summer.

He gives me tank minutes at center.

Then, I look at cutting him or trading him in the summer of 2019. And then that year I think you look at adding a FA piece or two.

tanking to me is when management tries to set everything up to fail from the get go. I don't think bringing in THJ and Kanter and trading picks for a lotto pick (albeit a bad one) qualifies as tanking.

No one is going to want to come here next year. the team should be waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay worse and I doubt management will even try all that much. next year will be tankerific

then mills will throw THJ money at some 3rd tier FA because Like phil, he will have no choice.

5 centers 3 months ago, and now we basically have none.

Tank(as if we have the best scouting dept in the NBA) so we can lose another 50 for the 5th consecutive season, how attractive is this destination again.

Paris907 wrote:https://nypost.com/2018/04/05/knicks-will-have-one-big-position-hole-to-fill-and-fix-in-offseason/

I’m admittedly old school. Kanter is toonold school for me. In a league of athletic bigs, he’s a defensive liability without a jumper, a $20 million tough guy that can’t guard bigs.
Think: Embiid, Towns, Horford, A Davis, Ayton,
Bamba Bagley. We need a newly minted two way big. Stretch Noah and let’s draft a 5..

"Kanter likely a goner per Marc Berman"

This is the totality of what Berman wrote regarding Kanter within the article: "Of their top four centers entering the regular season, Kanter may have played his last game as a Knick because of a balky back and with an opt-out clause looming. The Post reported Kanter, a double-double machine this season, is ready to sign with high-powered agent Mark Bartelstein to sort out his situation."

Notice how it says NOTHING about whether Kanter will opt in or not, just that he got a new agent and that he has an opt out.

If Marc was a good beat writer, he would have noted the teams that have cap space this summer, which teams need a center, also noted that DeAndre Jordan would get first choice of that team IF they were to spend $$$ on a C. He would also tell us about bigs who can't defend or stretch a defense and Kanter would be on that list.

Kanter LOVES New York. He also LOVES OKC. Kanter loves everywhere but Utah.

He also can't get endorsements and probably why he switched agents.

Gudris wrote:

Knixkik wrote:I really doubt Kanter opts out. He won't get nearly the money in the open market, especially this summer. Next summer more teams have space. Either way, he won't get 18M per year as an old school scoring big. 10 years ago you would build an entire offense around his skillset.

I also think he will opt in, and I hope he can improve his defense and 3point shooting over summer

Yeah, the article says he's unlikely to opt in, but never really states why. It gives a reason for KaOQ, but not Kanter.

reub wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:Julius Randle should be #1 target. Followed by Favors & Harrell. Unless we land a big at the draft.

We're not getting Randle. He's a RFA and will be matched.
We should go after Hezonja and Grant for cheap. Noel too.

None of those guys are helping this team, why sign them? to clog the cap and lose 47 games instead of 52