Nalod wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Nalod wrote:EnySpree wrote:blkexec wrote:Nalod wrote:EnySpree wrote:Nalod wrote:knicks1248 wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:fishmike wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:Chauncey Billups is the ultimate case study on a guy that looked like a bust that then turned into a star. Multiple teams gave up on him. He didn't turn it around until he was 25.. which happens to be how old Burke is now. It doesn't always click right away
disagree... Billups had bad shooting #s but he was productive player his first couple years. He could play... first 3 years he was like a 5/5/4 guy who could play D. The big thing was his role... was he a PG? But Billups was still putting up good #s....AAAAND (I just rechecked Burke's #s)
You are more right than I thought. For some reason I though Burke's #s were much lower but his first couple years w/ the Jazz he was more productive than I thought.
Problem with Burke is hiding him on defense but he's showing to be a fantastic offensive player. The low TOs considering his usage are the key for me.
thank you for re-clarifying. My point was that PG is not an easy position. Sometimes it just takes some time. I know Mudiay hasn't looked great but I think it was a smart move to bring in lotto PGs whose stock was low. I'm pretty sure Perry learned that trick in Detroit
I can't believe he sat this long, it just made no sense when JH goal was to up the pace.
I also think it take the right kind of vets to have around young players, and im not talking washed up vets, im talking very productive ones in their prime like KG was to Billups.
Burkes play can be good for a player like frank
How was his first games when he was called up? Not so great, some good, some DNP
You can't give any credit to JH for how Burkes season finished? It was a process.
When you know the result, its easy to say "if he gave him more time it would have happened sooner".
But you don't know the end result in January, you don't know until it happens.
Months later your so wise with hindsight.
Its the best ball he has played in his career.
By proxy, Jeff Hornacek makes you look bad. Its ironic.
Facts matter. When your void of them its best to say nothing.
Burke had back to back 18pt games on his 5th and 6th appearance.... he's been shooting 51% all year. His assists numbers are great... when you are void of facts it's best to shut the **** up
you can pull those muthaphucking bitch ass **** facts out the ass you want to paint a picture of and circle jerk the shyt out of it with Knicks1248 to satisfy anal retentive facts if you want but it don’t change the phucking shyt out of the got damn muthaphucking concept of butch ass conversation I have with lying ass muthaphucking JH hating fool for his own self gradifcation poster who likes to blow himself then brag he “Got some”! That not you Eny, is it?
You want to jump in the shyt convo with diarrhea of the mouth cuz you grumpy is on you.
Me, You can fire JH, blame him for everything but he gets cred for Burke.
Better languge art for today?
Come on fellas.....Lets be a better example to these new members. You guys been around the block too long for this type of dialogue.
At least when I do it it's creative and I'm actually still managing to talk basketball.... this Nalod rant sounds like a 3rd grader writing notes to a friend in class....not one basketball reference in it.
Eny, you know I could give two shyts and a phuch about your language and my post reeks of sarcasim!!! There was basketball reference, I give JH cred for burke!!! LOL
Lighten up man! You used to have fun even in the darkest of knick hours!!
It's ridiculous when you try to act as if JH is voided of any accountability.
JH is on pace to finish the season 3-41, if he started the first half of the season like that he would have already been fired.
You do realize MSG has investor that want answers
Knicks make money. Pay we pay coaches to not coach every few years. Drop in the bucket!
The things they are doing will help the future.
Again, your being open concepting, you say replace him and just asssume change is improvement.
Since you dont read, you don’t notice I really don’t care if he stays or goes but your reasons are pretty lacking substance. If you fire a man you have to be solid in your convictions about where your going next. Also acting like you know shyt is sad.
We all see the record of the team.
When the players call out media and defend the coach its more telling than the stuff you make up.
KOQ had a beef then said he was wrong to over react and it was just a thing. That’s telling.
Noah we don’t know the story in full. I’m not sure why he was banished.
Are you kidding me, they are always going to have players that are going to go to bat for a coach, Amare did it with MDA, melo did it with woodson.
The bottom line is nobody is getting the job done not the president, not the coach, and certainly not the players.
The FO lowered the bar to the floor for JH, they said they wanted to see him get the players to play hard, play with energy, play smart regardless of win and losses, has that happen..FCK NO.
WTF did he establish this yr, a system, a style, a culture, he didn't even establish a damn rotation.