Reggie Jackson had two empty years before popping
Kyle Lowry was pretty quiet first 3-4 years before he low end rotation guy to all star caliber

Maybe the most hopeful is Goran Dragic whos first 5 years in the NBA were about as underwhelming as Burke's. His first year with Pho he really broke out. His 2nd year with Pho was all star caliber playing under none other than Hornacek.

Could Burke be our Dragic? Plug him in for 15ppg, 8assists and shooting 48% for next year?

SupremeCommander wrote:Chauncey Billups is the ultimate case study on a guy that looked like a bust that then turned into a star. Multiple teams gave up on him. He didn't turn it around until he was 25.. which happens to be how old Burke is now. It doesn't always click right away

...AAAAND (I just rechecked Burke's #s)

You are more right than I thought. For some reason I though Burke's #s were much lower but his first couple years w/ the Jazz he was more productive than I thought.

Problem with Burke is hiding him on defense but he's showing to be a fantastic offensive player. The low TOs considering his usage are the key for me.

SupremeCommander wrote:Chauncey Billups is the ultimate case study on a guy that looked like a bust that then turned into a star. Multiple teams gave up on him. He didn't turn it around until he was 25.. which happens to be how old Burke is now. It doesn't always click right away

SupremeCommander wrote:

fishmike wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:Chauncey Billups is the ultimate case study on a guy that looked like a bust that then turned into a star. Multiple teams gave up on him. He didn't turn it around until he was 25.. which happens to be how old Burke is now. It doesn't always click right away

disagree... Billups had bad shooting #s but he was productive player his first couple years. He could play... first 3 years he was like a 5/5/4 guy who could play D. The big thing was his role... was he a PG? But Billups was still putting up good #s.

...AAAAND (I just rechecked Burke's #s)

You are more right than I thought. For some reason I though Burke's #s were much lower but his first couple years w/ the Jazz he was more productive than I thought.

Problem with Burke is hiding him on defense but he's showing to be a fantastic offensive player. The low TOs considering his usage are the key for me.

thank you for re-clarifying. My point was that PG is not an easy position. Sometimes it just takes some time. I know Mudiay hasn't looked great but I think it was a smart move to bring in lotto PGs whose stock was low. I'm pretty sure Perry learned that trick in Detroit

Didn't Chauncey also have issues with alcoholism early on? Speaks to the maturity issues these guys have coming in. Boston was also a pretty toxic situation at the time

knicks1248 wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

fishmike wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:Chauncey Billups is the ultimate case study on a guy that looked like a bust that then turned into a star. Multiple teams gave up on him. He didn't turn it around until he was 25.. which happens to be how old Burke is now. It doesn't always click right away

disagree... Billups had bad shooting #s but he was productive player his first couple years. He could play... first 3 years he was like a 5/5/4 guy who could play D. The big thing was his role... was he a PG? But Billups was still putting up good #s.

...AAAAND (I just rechecked Burke's #s)

You are more right than I thought. For some reason I though Burke's #s were much lower but his first couple years w/ the Jazz he was more productive than I thought.

Problem with Burke is hiding him on defense but he's showing to be a fantastic offensive player. The low TOs considering his usage are the key for me.

thank you for re-clarifying. My point was that PG is not an easy position. Sometimes it just takes some time. I know Mudiay hasn't looked great but I think it was a smart move to bring in lotto PGs whose stock was low. I'm pretty sure Perry learned that trick in Detroit

I can't believe he sat this long, it just made no sense when JH goal was to up the pace.

I also think it take the right kind of vets to have around young players, and im not talking washed up vets, im talking very productive ones in their prime like KG was to Billups.

Burkes play can be good for a player like frank

How was his first games when he was called up? Not so great, some good, some DNP
You can't give any credit to JH for how Burkes season finished? It was a process.
When you know the result, its easy to say "if he gave him more time it would have happened sooner".
But you don't know the end result in January, you don't know until it happens.
Months later your so wise with hindsight.
Its the best ball he has played in his career.
By proxy, Jeff Hornacek makes you look bad. Its ironic.
Facts matter. When your void of them its best to say nothing.

Nalod wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

fishmike wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:Chauncey Billups is the ultimate case study on a guy that looked like a bust that then turned into a star. Multiple teams gave up on him. He didn't turn it around until he was 25.. which happens to be how old Burke is now. It doesn't always click right away

disagree... Billups had bad shooting #s but he was productive player his first couple years. He could play... first 3 years he was like a 5/5/4 guy who could play D. The big thing was his role... was he a PG? But Billups was still putting up good #s.

...AAAAND (I just rechecked Burke's #s)

You are more right than I thought. For some reason I though Burke's #s were much lower but his first couple years w/ the Jazz he was more productive than I thought.

Problem with Burke is hiding him on defense but he's showing to be a fantastic offensive player. The low TOs considering his usage are the key for me.

thank you for re-clarifying. My point was that PG is not an easy position. Sometimes it just takes some time. I know Mudiay hasn't looked great but I think it was a smart move to bring in lotto PGs whose stock was low. I'm pretty sure Perry learned that trick in Detroit

I can't believe he sat this long, it just made no sense when JH goal was to up the pace.

I also think it take the right kind of vets to have around young players, and im not talking washed up vets, im talking very productive ones in their prime like KG was to Billups.

Burkes play can be good for a player like frank

How was his first games when he was called up? Not so great, some good, some DNP
You can't give any credit to JH for how Burkes season finished? It was a process.
When you know the result, its easy to say "if he gave him more time it would have happened sooner".
But you don't know the end result in January, you don't know until it happens.
Months later your so wise with hindsight.
Its the best ball he has played in his career.
By proxy, Jeff Hornacek makes you look bad. Its ironic.
Facts matter. When your void of them its best to say nothing.

Burke had back to back 18pt games on his 5th and 6th appearance.... he's been shooting 51% all year. His assists numbers are great... when you are void of facts it's best to shut the **** up

EnySpree wrote:

Nalod wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

fishmike wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:Chauncey Billups is the ultimate case study on a guy that looked like a bust that then turned into a star. Multiple teams gave up on him. He didn't turn it around until he was 25.. which happens to be how old Burke is now. It doesn't always click right away

disagree... Billups had bad shooting #s but he was productive player his first couple years. He could play... first 3 years he was like a 5/5/4 guy who could play D. The big thing was his role... was he a PG? But Billups was still putting up good #s.

...AAAAND (I just rechecked Burke's #s)

You are more right than I thought. For some reason I though Burke's #s were much lower but his first couple years w/ the Jazz he was more productive than I thought.

Problem with Burke is hiding him on defense but he's showing to be a fantastic offensive player. The low TOs considering his usage are the key for me.

thank you for re-clarifying. My point was that PG is not an easy position. Sometimes it just takes some time. I know Mudiay hasn't looked great but I think it was a smart move to bring in lotto PGs whose stock was low. I'm pretty sure Perry learned that trick in Detroit

I can't believe he sat this long, it just made no sense when JH goal was to up the pace.

I also think it take the right kind of vets to have around young players, and im not talking washed up vets, im talking very productive ones in their prime like KG was to Billups.

Burkes play can be good for a player like frank

How was his first games when he was called up? Not so great, some good, some DNP
You can't give any credit to JH for how Burkes season finished? It was a process.
When you know the result, its easy to say "if he gave him more time it would have happened sooner".
But you don't know the end result in January, you don't know until it happens.
Months later your so wise with hindsight.
Its the best ball he has played in his career.
By proxy, Jeff Hornacek makes you look bad. Its ironic.
Facts matter. When your void of them its best to say nothing.

Burke had back to back 18pt games on his 5th and 6th appearance.... he's been shooting 51% all year. His assists numbers are great... when you are void of facts it's best to shut the **** up

Eny, when did this become the way to post on this forum? Cut it out.

martin wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

Nalod wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

fishmike wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:Chauncey Billups is the ultimate case study on a guy that looked like a bust that then turned into a star. Multiple teams gave up on him. He didn't turn it around until he was 25.. which happens to be how old Burke is now. It doesn't always click right away

disagree... Billups had bad shooting #s but he was productive player his first couple years. He could play... first 3 years he was like a 5/5/4 guy who could play D. The big thing was his role... was he a PG? But Billups was still putting up good #s.

...AAAAND (I just rechecked Burke's #s)

You are more right than I thought. For some reason I though Burke's #s were much lower but his first couple years w/ the Jazz he was more productive than I thought.

Problem with Burke is hiding him on defense but he's showing to be a fantastic offensive player. The low TOs considering his usage are the key for me.

thank you for re-clarifying. My point was that PG is not an easy position. Sometimes it just takes some time. I know Mudiay hasn't looked great but I think it was a smart move to bring in lotto PGs whose stock was low. I'm pretty sure Perry learned that trick in Detroit

I can't believe he sat this long, it just made no sense when JH goal was to up the pace.

I also think it take the right kind of vets to have around young players, and im not talking washed up vets, im talking very productive ones in their prime like KG was to Billups.

Burkes play can be good for a player like frank

How was his first games when he was called up? Not so great, some good, some DNP
You can't give any credit to JH for how Burkes season finished? It was a process.
When you know the result, its easy to say "if he gave him more time it would have happened sooner".
But you don't know the end result in January, you don't know until it happens.
Months later your so wise with hindsight.
Its the best ball he has played in his career.
By proxy, Jeff Hornacek makes you look bad. Its ironic.
Facts matter. When your void of them its best to say nothing.

Burke had back to back 18pt games on his 5th and 6th appearance.... he's been shooting 51% all year. His assists numbers are great... when you are void of facts it's best to shut the **** up

Eny, when did this become the way to post on this forum? Cut it out.

I said the same thing he said without a thesaurus

NY is ok in the backcourt with Burke, Frank, Hardaway and Dotson. If they can get a solid combo guard in the 2nd round that would be smart too.

Nalod wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

Nalod wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

fishmike wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:Chauncey Billups is the ultimate case study on a guy that looked like a bust that then turned into a star. Multiple teams gave up on him. He didn't turn it around until he was 25.. which happens to be how old Burke is now. It doesn't always click right away

disagree... Billups had bad shooting #s but he was productive player his first couple years. He could play... first 3 years he was like a 5/5/4 guy who could play D. The big thing was his role... was he a PG? But Billups was still putting up good #s.

...AAAAND (I just rechecked Burke's #s)

You are more right than I thought. For some reason I though Burke's #s were much lower but his first couple years w/ the Jazz he was more productive than I thought.

Problem with Burke is hiding him on defense but he's showing to be a fantastic offensive player. The low TOs considering his usage are the key for me.

thank you for re-clarifying. My point was that PG is not an easy position. Sometimes it just takes some time. I know Mudiay hasn't looked great but I think it was a smart move to bring in lotto PGs whose stock was low. I'm pretty sure Perry learned that trick in Detroit

I can't believe he sat this long, it just made no sense when JH goal was to up the pace.

I also think it take the right kind of vets to have around young players, and im not talking washed up vets, im talking very productive ones in their prime like KG was to Billups.

Burkes play can be good for a player like frank

How was his first games when he was called up? Not so great, some good, some DNP
You can't give any credit to JH for how Burkes season finished? It was a process.
When you know the result, its easy to say "if he gave him more time it would have happened sooner".
But you don't know the end result in January, you don't know until it happens.
Months later your so wise with hindsight.
Its the best ball he has played in his career.
By proxy, Jeff Hornacek makes you look bad. Its ironic.
Facts matter. When your void of them its best to say nothing.

Burke had back to back 18pt games on his 5th and 6th appearance.... he's been shooting 51% all year. His assists numbers are great... when you are void of facts it's best to shut the **** up

you can pull those muthaphucking bitch ass **** facts out the ass you want to paint a picture of and circle jerk the shyt out of it with Knicks1248 to satisfy anal retentive facts if you want but it don’t change the phucking shyt out of the got damn muthaphucking concept of butch ass conversation I have with lying ass muthaphucking JH hating fool for his own self gradifcation poster who likes to blow himself then brag he “Got some”! That not you Eny, is it?
You want to jump in the shyt convo with diarrhea of the mouth cuz you grumpy is on you.
Me, You can fire JH, blame him for everything but he gets cred for Burke.

Better languge art for today?

Come on fellas.....Lets be a better example to these new members. You guys been around the block too long for this type of dialogue.