Vmart wrote:

Nalod wrote:Willy using the excuses Clifford called him out on!
Willy, like Mudiay is getting another chance. Not much more.
It’s not like he held a press conference or a feature on 60minutes, Hornets in town for game and they stuck a mike in his face and asked him questions. WIlly is embarrassed and sayaing how much “different” it is in Charlotte. A team that made the playoffs last year and is very much underperforming. I like CLifford but he is not likely long for his job there. For Willy to gush about a 30 win team is silly.
Maybe he will man up and let the game speak for himself.

Unlike Mudiay, Willy was never given much of a chance in NYK defective system of development to be successful.

Vmart wrote:

Nalod wrote:Willy using the excuses Clifford called him out on!
Willy, like Mudiay is getting another chance. Not much more.
It’s not like he held a press conference or a feature on 60minutes, Hornets in town for game and they stuck a mike in his face and asked him questions. WIlly is embarrassed and sayaing how much “different” it is in Charlotte. A team that made the playoffs last year and is very much underperforming. I like CLifford but he is not likely long for his job there. For Willy to gush about a 30 win team is silly.
Maybe he will man up and let the game speak for himself.

Unlike Mudiay, Willy was never given much of a chance in NYK defective system of development to be successful.

Willy was first team all rookie last season with the same coach. KOQ beat him fair and square and no injuries happened to let Willy get in the rotation. Do you think its unfair? Think that after a season and a half you can get a sense of the kids work habits, intensity etc, things we as fans have no access to properly access? We forsaken him for Hicks and Kornet but now have two picks in his place.

Nalod wrote:

Vmart wrote:

Nalod wrote:Willy using the excuses Clifford called him out on!
Willy, like Mudiay is getting another chance. Not much more.
It’s not like he held a press conference or a feature on 60minutes, Hornets in town for game and they stuck a mike in his face and asked him questions. WIlly is embarrassed and sayaing how much “different” it is in Charlotte. A team that made the playoffs last year and is very much underperforming. I like CLifford but he is not likely long for his job there. For Willy to gush about a 30 win team is silly.
Maybe he will man up and let the game speak for himself.

Unlike Mudiay, Willy was never given much of a chance in NYK defective system of development to be successful.

Willy was first team all rookie last season with the same coach. KOQ beat him fair and square and no injuries happened to let Willy get in the rotation. Do you think its unfair? Think that after a season and a half you can get a sense of the kids work habits, intensity etc, things we as fans have no access to properly access? We forsaken him for Hicks and Kornet but now have two picks in his place.

Bottom line is Willy didn't improve in the areas needed most to succeed today. He needed to improve his quickness on defense and his shooting. Willy is a good post scorer and rebounder. KOQ is a much better defender and shooter, and those things are needed more in today's game, at the very least. Willy can't defend in space or draw a defender out of the paint, and that's a big problem in 2018.

Vmart wrote:Does that mean Mudiay beat out Burke and Ntlikina in practice? Stop BSing yourself. JH had it in for him ever since that incident when Willie let out JH called KP a puss*.

I seem to recall the quote was "Tell KP to stop playing like a Pus*y"!
Also in the context of how coaches and players converse its not so damning as you might think. Say before the game he says "KP, when you bail out with those long J's instead of taking it to the rim your playing like a puss! I"d rather you bang it down low!!"
Then later he says to WIlly to convey the quote, its more of a reminder of what was spoken.
Now, Willy should NOT be talking to press in any event.
I thought Willy talking about how much better it is in charlotte was immature as well. Bottom line is what you do on the court. he can just say "I welcome the opportunity in charlotte". That's all.
As for calling out KP, there is a difference. He did not say he was a Pus*y, he said "Playing like one". Big difference!!!
and If JH is complimentary and and constructive in his coaching 90% of the time then its no big deal!

Vmart wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Vmart wrote:Does that mean Mudiay beat out Burke and Ntlikina in practice? Stop BSing yourself. JH had it in for him ever since that incident when Willie let out JH called KP a puss*.

I seem to recall the quote was "Tell KP to stop playing like a Pus*y"!
Also in the context of how coaches and players converse its not so damning as you might think. Say before the game he says "KP, when you bail out with those long J's instead of taking it to the rim your playing like a puss! I"d rather you bang it down low!!"
Then later he says to WIlly to convey the quote, its more of a reminder of what was spoken.
Now, Willy should NOT be talking to press in any event.
I thought Willy talking about how much better it is in charlotte was immature as well. Bottom line is what you do on the court. he can just say "I welcome the opportunity in charlotte". That's all.
As for calling out KP, there is a difference. He did not say he was a Pus*y, he said "Playing like one". Big difference!!!
and If JH is complimentary and and constructive in his coaching 90% of the time then its no big deal!

I think your hurt by what Willie said. Maybe it is better in Charlotte. Just maybe Willie is giving you some clue as to how backward the NYK system is. Why kill the messenger. He just might be telling the truth.

Trust me, Im not hurt. He might be telling the truth. This is the same kid that did really well last year with the same backward system.
Or, since Perry came in and Craig Robinson perhaps the bar is now higher and he is not getting it done in the development area?
What Im doing is discussing the context of quotes. Do you think JH is petty enough to slam down Willy because he mentioned his comment?
Seems a bit one dimensional to make that assumption.
Is it better in Charlotte? Really? Just fired the GM, Can't draft right or deveolop the rookies, and they got blown out by a team that has lost 17 of 18 games with a roster that is playing its Gleague team more than its vets.

Vmart wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Vmart wrote:

Nalod wrote:Willy using the excuses Clifford called him out on!
Willy, like Mudiay is getting another chance. Not much more.
It’s not like he held a press conference or a feature on 60minutes, Hornets in town for game and they stuck a mike in his face and asked him questions. WIlly is embarrassed and sayaing how much “different” it is in Charlotte. A team that made the playoffs last year and is very much underperforming. I like CLifford but he is not likely long for his job there. For Willy to gush about a 30 win team is silly.
Maybe he will man up and let the game speak for himself.

Unlike Mudiay, Willy was never given much of a chance in NYK defective system of development to be successful.

Willy was first team all rookie last season with the same coach. KOQ beat him fair and square and no injuries happened to let Willy get in the rotation. Do you think its unfair? Think that after a season and a half you can get a sense of the kids work habits, intensity etc, things we as fans have no access to properly access? We forsaken him for Hicks and Kornet but now have two picks in his place.

Bottom line is Willy didn't improve in the areas needed most to succeed today. He needed to improve his quickness on defense and his shooting. Willy is a good post scorer and rebounder. KOQ is a much better defender and shooter, and those things are needed more in today's game, at the very least. Willy can't defend in space or draw a defender out of the paint, and that's a big problem in 2018.

That is why I would not give Kanter a contract. I’d rather go forward with Kornet or just draft a defensive center in the second round. The more stretch players on the floor the better. Kornet can hit the three imagine having shooters at every spot.

It just depends on the expectation of Kanter. I believe he is a very good 6th man with his skillset and maybe we can move him there eventually. Ultimately it comes down to what his market is.

fishmike wrote:

Vmart wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Vmart wrote:Does that mean Mudiay beat out Burke and Ntlikina in practice? Stop BSing yourself. JH had it in for him ever since that incident when Willie let out JH called KP a puss*.

I seem to recall the quote was "Tell KP to stop playing like a Pus*y"!
Also in the context of how coaches and players converse its not so damning as you might think. Say before the game he says "KP, when you bail out with those long J's instead of taking it to the rim your playing like a puss! I"d rather you bang it down low!!"
Then later he says to WIlly to convey the quote, its more of a reminder of what was spoken.
Now, Willy should NOT be talking to press in any event.
I thought Willy talking about how much better it is in charlotte was immature as well. Bottom line is what you do on the court. he can just say "I welcome the opportunity in charlotte". That's all.
As for calling out KP, there is a difference. He did not say he was a Pus*y, he said "Playing like one". Big difference!!!
and If JH is complimentary and and constructive in his coaching 90% of the time then its no big deal!

I think your hurt by what Willie said. Maybe it is better in Charlotte. Just maybe Willie is giving you some clue as to how backward the NYK system is. Why kill the messenger. He just might be telling the truth.

yes Vmart... do tell us about Cha's long successful history of player development.

Maybe Willy didnt get in shape, didnt practice hard, didnt do the things the Knicks asked him to and they took a chance to move a guy who might have a work ethic issue and is also buddies with the franchise player. Maybe Knicks quickly pulled the plug on THAT eh? Naaaaaa....

Why you so hurt Vmart? What is it about Perry/Mills that you just cant stand? Because you seem to look REALLY hard for things to not like and get worked up about. Just curious.

Fish I have a lot of respect for you and Nalod too. But doesn’t it bother you guys that they discarded an all rookie team player. A guy like Mudiay one of the worst +|- is seen as some sort of savior. I’m sorry but the logic isn’t kicking in here. Guy on rookie deal for that matter. I don’t want to pay 20 million for Kanter. I don’t want to give O’Quin a new deal. All that BS of Willie didn’t work hard and doesn’t deserve playing time. I’m not buying that. It really bothers me the way the handles Willie because it showed a lack of patience which is necessary for development of young players.

My point is if Willie was ostracized for not hustling then what the hell is Mudiay. He doesn’t play defense and he doesn’t shoot well either. Yet he gets to start. This guy must be Michael Jordan in practice.

Vmart wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Vmart wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Vmart wrote:Does that mean Mudiay beat out Burke and Ntlikina in practice? Stop BSing yourself. JH had it in for him ever since that incident when Willie let out JH called KP a puss*.

I seem to recall the quote was "Tell KP to stop playing like a Pus*y"!
Also in the context of how coaches and players converse its not so damning as you might think. Say before the game he says "KP, when you bail out with those long J's instead of taking it to the rim your playing like a puss! I"d rather you bang it down low!!"
Then later he says to WIlly to convey the quote, its more of a reminder of what was spoken.
Now, Willy should NOT be talking to press in any event.
I thought Willy talking about how much better it is in charlotte was immature as well. Bottom line is what you do on the court. he can just say "I welcome the opportunity in charlotte". That's all.
As for calling out KP, there is a difference. He did not say he was a Pus*y, he said "Playing like one". Big difference!!!
and If JH is complimentary and and constructive in his coaching 90% of the time then its no big deal!

I think your hurt by what Willie said. Maybe it is better in Charlotte. Just maybe Willie is giving you some clue as to how backward the NYK system is. Why kill the messenger. He just might be telling the truth.

yes Vmart... do tell us about Cha's long successful history of player development.

Maybe Willy didnt get in shape, didnt practice hard, didnt do the things the Knicks asked him to and they took a chance to move a guy who might have a work ethic issue and is also buddies with the franchise player. Maybe Knicks quickly pulled the plug on THAT eh? Naaaaaa....

Why you so hurt Vmart? What is it about Perry/Mills that you just cant stand? Because you seem to look REALLY hard for things to not like and get worked up about. Just curious.

Fish I have a lot of respect for you and Nalod too. But doesn’t it bother you guys that they discarded an all rookie team player. A guy like Mudiay one of the worst +|- is seen as some sort of savior. I’m sorry but the logic isn’t kicking in here. Guy on rookie deal for that matter. I don’t want to pay 20 million for Kanter. I don’t want to give O’Quin a new deal. All that BS of Willie didn’t work hard and doesn’t deserve playing time. I’m not buying that. It really bothers me the way the handles Willie because it showed a lack of patience which is necessary for development of young players.

My point is if Willie was ostracized for not hustling then what the hell is Mudiay. He doesn’t play defense and he doesn’t shoot well either. Yet he gets to start. This guy must be Michael Jordan in practice.

You spout a lot of negative stuff about things that you have no info on. I dont really get it to be honest. We whiffed on Donovan Mitchell. Hardaway wasnt much of a difference maker and his D has been bad, I mean there are things to be grumpy about. Its like your really digging deep to throw shade.

But doesn’t it bother you guys that they discarded an all rookie team player

Why do you think they dumped him? Maybe they are wrong. That would be bad judgement. Maybe Willy is beast in year or 4. Maybe he's out of the league and doesnt really love the game, just being really good at it. You think there could be ANY factors beyond Knick stupidity? Why would I let something bother me I have no info on?

Steve Clifford offers a great observation on the insulation some players are surrounded by when speaking about Willy Hernangomez over the weekend: "Frankly if you were one place and you didn't play much, I think that if you want to play more in the next place — I would work harder, do more, kill myself, that's the way I would see it," the coach said. "Unfortunately, in the world the players live in, they don't hear that. Instead, it's the (fault of the) organization, it's the coach, the assistant, that isn't working with him right. No, come on. I tell our guys that all the time. They're surrounded by people who tell them what they want to hear. The reality is this — he wasn't playing here for a reason. You know, he's going to have to change things."

He changes his stripes or he's out of the league in two years. Good trade Perry/Mills - and was a big Willy supporter last year.