They look loss, and are lacking in almost every aspect of the game , FT's, 3's, perimeter defense, hustle, heart, pride, poise, leadership, quickness, athleticism, IQ..

Who's more responsible for this ugly nightmare, MILLs, Perry or JH. The defense is by far the worst ever assembled.

7-34 since mid december, and two 8 game losing streaks in the process, blowouts at home to several teams below you, and he had the never to say guys are getting better...smfh..at what...LOSING?

Because our 3rd quarter play is a big indictment that he has no clue what he is doing.

Honest, if that were me, I'd try keeping the guys on the bench during half time- try something, anything.

I get the lack of talent, but the lack of effort? The lack of smarts?

The only other reason Hornacek stays is there is no better option available to us this summer. Mark Jackson isn't a clear better option. I like Luke Walton, but I don't know you can see he is better, but I like how the Lakers have been playing- good effort there.

knicks1248 wrote:He seems very confident that he will, i just don't see how that's possible. Even if it's not about wins and loses, these team plays like they don't give a FCK,

They look loss, and are lacking in almost every aspect of the game , FT's, 3's, perimeter defense, hustle, heart, pride, poise, leadership, quickness, athleticism, IQ..

Who's more responsible for this ugly nightmare, MILLs, Perry or JH. The defense is by far the worst ever assembled.

7-34 since mid december, and two 8 game losing streaks in the process, blowouts at home to several teams below you, and he had the never to say guys are getting better...smfh..at what...LOSING?

What do you want to accomplish by firing him except of finding escape-goat?
Do you think this bunch of random dudes will magically win more games or start playing better for some other coach?
Do you really believe any good coach will come here now to damage his record by going through years of rebuild?

I'm not buying the roster is trash because we have seen them played at a high level. Aside from frank and lance, most of the players main players can put 20 points and can play decent defense.

The problems is the effort is the effort, and JH does not get his players to play hard.

What sense does it make to have any kind of roster if the players aren't going to play hard, it don't take talent to play with urgency, we have players that are getting worse by the game.

franco12 wrote:the only reason Hornacek should be brought back is if he is able to improve Mudiay and Frank's shooting. Hornacek was a shooter- it looks like he has been working with them on form. Can he get them to become good/decent shooters?

Because our 3rd quarter play is a big indictment that he has no clue what he is doing.

Honest, if that were me, I'd try keeping the guys on the bench during half time- try something, anything.

I get the lack of talent, but the lack of effort? The lack of smarts?

The only other reason Hornacek stays is there is no better option available to us this summer. Mark Jackson isn't a clear better option. I like Luke Walton, but I don't know you can see he is better, but I like how the Lakers have been playing- good effort there.

Spoken like a true internet troll that has never coached, let alone played, a sport.

The only two players that can improve Mudiay and Franks shooting are Mudiay and Frank. There isn't a magic pill or some a special *cue* that Hornacek can say that can fix it. The "players" have to put in the work. That's it.

You can't make someone play harder, or give more effort or make them a smarter player. At ANY level...all you can do is give them tools and hope that, one day, they learn to apply it.

fishmike wrote:not a coaching problem but most who understand the game know that. Knicks are essentially an expansion team and thats OK. Right where we should be

are you not troubled by the trend of 3rd quarter collapses?

I agree, the talent is lacking.

But I think back to Don Chaney, and at the time I wanted him fired because I thought he lacked offensive imagination.

But I realize he got a team that honestly wasn't a whole lot more talented than this group to win 37 games, and to be in every game, night in, night out.

I'm not advocating for Jeff to go. I like him. I think continuity is desperately needed, and I would like to see what he can do if we let him have the chance.

franco12 wrote:

fishmike wrote:not a coaching problem but most who understand the game know that. Knicks are essentially an expansion team and thats OK. Right where we should be

are you not troubled by the trend of 3rd quarter collapses?

I agree, the talent is lacking.

But I think back to Don Chaney, and at the time I wanted him fired because I thought he lacked offensive imagination.

But I realize he got a team that honestly wasn't a whole lot more talented than this group to win 37 games, and to be in every game, night in, night out.

I'm not advocating for Jeff to go. I like him. I think continuity is desperately needed, and I would like to see what he can do if we let him have the chance.

Sorry to blast you but it drives me nuts because blaming the coach on a team like this (or that) is pure ignorance man.

No the 3rd qtr collapses dont trouble me. Jeff has made tons of adjustments. They (the KNicks) are not very good right now.

Hey Franco... when your coworkers are lazy, skip out early, take credit for stuff they didnt do or call out sick when you know they arent who do you blame? The boss? How people look at poor effort and stick that on the coach is beyond me. Can coaches inspire? Do some work better with some than others? Of course. That is not what we are talking about.

That is also why its important to have guys like Lee and Lance who have played for winning teams who can tell these guys NO... your EFFORT is NOT enough.

fishmike wrote:

franco12 wrote:

fishmike wrote:not a coaching problem but most who understand the game know that. Knicks are essentially an expansion team and thats OK. Right where we should be

are you not troubled by the trend of 3rd quarter collapses?

I agree, the talent is lacking.

But I think back to Don Chaney, and at the time I wanted him fired because I thought he lacked offensive imagination.

But I realize he got a team that honestly wasn't a whole lot more talented than this group to win 37 games, and to be in every game, night in, night out.

I'm not advocating for Jeff to go. I like him. I think continuity is desperately needed, and I would like to see what he can do if we let him have the chance.

yea.. what you realized is you were wrong. WRONG about coaching. That team won 37 games with a frontline of Kurt, Spoon and Othella. Chaney was a fantastic coach that year and anyone with brain could see it. Sorry dude... but this track gets old. Blaming the coach. Its the roster. Its the players. 3rd qtr collapses were OK with early on when the team was healthy and playing better.

Sorry to blast you but it drives me nuts because blaming the coach on a team like this (or that) is pure ignorance man.

No the 3rd qtr collapses dont trouble me. Jeff has made tons of adjustments. They (the KNicks) are not very good right now.

Hey Franco... when your coworkers are lazy, skip out early, take credit for stuff they didnt do or call out sick when you know they arent who do you blame? The boss? How people look at poor effort and stick that on the coach is beyond me. Can coaches inspire? Do some work better with some than others? Of course. That is not what we are talking about.

That is also why its important to have guys like Lee and Lance who have played for winning teams who can tell these guys NO... your EFFORT is NOT enough.

I'm trying to understand your point. Because, on the one hand- it seems like we agree, Chaney got max effort out of that group, and they outperformed.

But, then you're saying I can't hold Jeff accountable for the performance of this group, because they have no talent. But you cite 3 players who performed for Chaney that year that barely even belonged in the league.

I'm not saying any other coach could turn this group into a play off team.

But Riley of the 90's would have this group out there trying- and I'm not sure we're seeing that.

And I'm just talking results- I have not watched much of this team of late.

I turned on the game last nite, down comfortably, then Burke comes in and turns into Isiaih Thomas and sparks a small come back.

Why isn't Burke starting? He is our best, young PG. If not starting, why not playing? He got no minutes in the first half, then gets a chance when we're down 20.

I'm honestly just trying to ask questions.

If this franchise were a farm animal, it would have been put down a long time ago.

franco12 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

franco12 wrote:

fishmike wrote:not a coaching problem but most who understand the game know that. Knicks are essentially an expansion team and thats OK. Right where we should be

are you not troubled by the trend of 3rd quarter collapses?

I agree, the talent is lacking.

But I think back to Don Chaney, and at the time I wanted him fired because I thought he lacked offensive imagination.

But I realize he got a team that honestly wasn't a whole lot more talented than this group to win 37 games, and to be in every game, night in, night out.

I'm not advocating for Jeff to go. I like him. I think continuity is desperately needed, and I would like to see what he can do if we let him have the chance.

yea.. what you realized is you were wrong. WRONG about coaching. That team won 37 games with a frontline of Kurt, Spoon and Othella. Chaney was a fantastic coach that year and anyone with brain could see it. Sorry dude... but this track gets old. Blaming the coach. Its the roster. Its the players. 3rd qtr collapses were OK with early on when the team was healthy and playing better.

Sorry to blast you but it drives me nuts because blaming the coach on a team like this (or that) is pure ignorance man.

No the 3rd qtr collapses dont trouble me. Jeff has made tons of adjustments. They (the KNicks) are not very good right now.

Hey Franco... when your coworkers are lazy, skip out early, take credit for stuff they didnt do or call out sick when you know they arent who do you blame? The boss? How people look at poor effort and stick that on the coach is beyond me. Can coaches inspire? Do some work better with some than others? Of course. That is not what we are talking about.

That is also why its important to have guys like Lee and Lance who have played for winning teams who can tell these guys NO... your EFFORT is NOT enough.

I'm trying to understand your point. Because, on the one hand- it seems like we agree, Chaney got max effort out of that group, and they outperformed.

But, then you're saying I can't hold Jeff accountable for the performance of this group, because they have no talent. But you cite 3 players who performed for Chaney that year that barely even belonged in the league.

I'm not saying any other coach could turn this group into a play off team.

But Riley of the 90's would have this group out there trying- and I'm not sure we're seeing that.

And I'm just talking results- I have not watched much of this team of late.

I turned on the game last nite, down comfortably, then Burke comes in and turns into Isiaih Thomas and sparks a small come back.

Why isn't Burke starting? He is our best, young PG. If not starting, why not playing? He got no minutes in the first half, then gets a chance when we're down 20.

I'm honestly just trying to ask questions.

If this franchise were a farm animal, it would have been put down a long time ago.

But Riley of the 90's would have this group out there trying- and I'm not sure we're seeing that.

Why isn't Burke starting? He is our best, young PG. If not starting, why not playing? He got no minutes in the first half, then gets a chance when we're down 20.

I'm honestly just trying to ask questions.

Also what information from the front office are you working with? The Knicks have seen Burke all year in the G league. They just got Mudiay and want to evaluate him. You are making an assumption and putting that on the coach when you are not working with all the info.

Do you want to win these games with Trey Burke? Arent you one of the guys who have killed the Knicks for winning meaningless games and hurting their draft position when they should be evaluating young guys? How is this hard to see?