What we saw today would never happen in the glory days oak or mase would F U C K them up for thinking they could just get in the lane like that .

I wanna see some pride and grit knock a player on there a s s defense.

Jmpasq wrote:There is no talent period, without Porzingis the Knicks are the worst team in the NBA. This team will need an insane amount of luck to turn this thing around in the next 3 years. Im serious how many players on the Knicks start on half the teams in the NBA? 0. How many are starters on bad teams? Hardaway. Its just not a toughness problem this team frankly sux

Hardaway started on a good team last year. But your point is valid. We lack talent. We need to add shooters, defenders, and better athletes this off-season. But any talent will help. Of all of our current young guys, I only see Frank growing into a starter level player.

TripleThreat wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:Watching how unphysical we are makes me sick to my stomach today vs the raptors seeing them attack the basket over and over again. Oak or mase would have close lined them then laughed in there face while they weee on the ground and say you don’t wanna know what will happen next if you try to come in the lane again, not in my house .

What we saw today would never happen in the glory days oak or mase would F U C K them up for thinking they could just get in the lane like that .

I wanna see some pride and grit knock a player on there a s s defense.

Danny Fortson was the last of the "enforcer" type only players that the league would functionally allow. After the Malice In The Palace, that was the final nail in the coffin.

What I believe fans want to see, as well as coaches and GM's is the style of ball that Patrick Beverley plays. Relentless, all the time, no surrender.

The Stretch 4/5 becoming the norm also has changed things. It draws bigs and pivots away from the basket, which limits some of the previous rate of contact. Draymond Green is painted as a rogue and thug, but he would have been pretty non descript in a previous era.

I'll always be a little sad Chuck Hayes was never a Knick. This town would have embraced him like no other.

Play relentless. Play the game the right way. I don't think it has to be more complicated than that.

Agreed I really want to see that passionate defense that use to rock the garden floor on a nightly basis.

fitzfarm wrote:

TripleThreat wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:Watching how unphysical we are makes me sick to my stomach today vs the raptors seeing them attack the basket over and over again. Oak or mase would have close lined them then laughed in there face while they weee on the ground and say you don’t wanna know what will happen next if you try to come in the lane again, not in my house .

What we saw today would never happen in the glory days oak or mase would F U C K them up for thinking they could just get in the lane like that .

I wanna see some pride and grit knock a player on there a s s defense.

Danny Fortson was the last of the "enforcer" type only players that the league would functionally allow. After the Malice In The Palace, that was the final nail in the coffin.

What I believe fans want to see, as well as coaches and GM's is the style of ball that Patrick Beverley plays. Relentless, all the time, no surrender.

The Stretch 4/5 becoming the norm also has changed things. It draws bigs and pivots away from the basket, which limits some of the previous rate of contact. Draymond Green is painted as a rogue and thug, but he would have been pretty non descript in a previous era.

I'll always be a little sad Chuck Hayes was never a Knick. This town would have embraced him like no other.

Play relentless. Play the game the right way. I don't think it has to be more complicated than that.

Agreed I really want to see that passionate defense that use to rock the garden floor on a nightly basis.

I agree that we both love the Knicks all the way to the bone and want them to win.

I don't agree that we are talking about the same thing.

The Pat Riley Knicks were all about outright thuggery. Even as a Knicks diehard, I can't rationalize it but anything than that. XMan, LJ, Oak, Mason, etc. Just out right brutality.

Guys like Chuck Hayes and Patrick Beverley take it to the edge, but never cross over it. They are hated, not because they are looking to hurt other guys first, but because their level of effort shows how badly they want it, and in contrast, every other player on the floor looks like a cheap slacker.

You want a player who is looking for a reason (Beverley)

You don't want a player who is just looking for justification (Riley Knicks, Bad Boy Pistons, etc)

What you may be alluding to is just plain all out effort/max effort befitting wearing that beloved Knicks jersey. After seeing Melo, STAT, Bargs, Eddy Curry, etc and many others dog it, I can see what it's frustrating.

Outright thuggery is never going to be acceptable in the NBA ever again. That's what the Knicks were and used to be. No holds barred, that's just the truth.

TripleThreat wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:

TripleThreat wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:Watching how unphysical we are makes me sick to my stomach today vs the raptors seeing them attack the basket over and over again. Oak or mase would have close lined them then laughed in there face while they weee on the ground and say you don’t wanna know what will happen next if you try to come in the lane again, not in my house .

What we saw today would never happen in the glory days oak or mase would F U C K them up for thinking they could just get in the lane like that .

I wanna see some pride and grit knock a player on there a s s defense.

Danny Fortson was the last of the "enforcer" type only players that the league would functionally allow. After the Malice In The Palace, that was the final nail in the coffin.

What I believe fans want to see, as well as coaches and GM's is the style of ball that Patrick Beverley plays. Relentless, all the time, no surrender.

The Stretch 4/5 becoming the norm also has changed things. It draws bigs and pivots away from the basket, which limits some of the previous rate of contact. Draymond Green is painted as a rogue and thug, but he would have been pretty non descript in a previous era.

I'll always be a little sad Chuck Hayes was never a Knick. This town would have embraced him like no other.

Play relentless. Play the game the right way. I don't think it has to be more complicated than that.

Agreed I really want to see that passionate defense that use to rock the garden floor on a nightly basis.

I agree that we both love the Knicks all the way to the bone and want them to win.

I don't agree that we are talking about the same thing.

The Pat Riley Knicks were all about outright thuggery. Even as a Knicks diehard, I can't rationalize it but anything than that. XMan, LJ, Oak, Mason, etc. Just out right brutality.

Guys like Chuck Hayes and Patrick Beverley take it to the edge, but never cross over it. They are hated, not because they are looking to hurt other guys first, but because their level of effort shows how badly they want it, and in contrast, every other player on the floor looks like a cheap slacker.

You want a player who is looking for a reason (Beverley)

You don't want a player who is just looking for justification (Riley Knicks, Bad Boy Pistons, etc)

What you may be alluding to is just plain all out effort/max effort befitting wearing that beloved Knicks jersey. After seeing Melo, STAT, Bargs, Eddy Curry, etc and many others dog it, I can see what it's frustrating.

Outright thuggery is never going to be acceptable in the NBA ever again. That's what the Knicks were and used to be. No holds barred, that's just the truth.

That’s really what I mean, I don’t wish injury on any player but getting knocked to the ground used to be apart of the game. Now that enforcement isn’t apart of the game we are seeing the speed ball it’s just layups and 3’s...

the nba would be wise to bring some defense back in the game.players were thinking twice about driving to the lane with the enforcer in the paint, No one was just jacking up threes when hand checking was a factor, when palming was actually called and when teams actually got called for moving screens 90% of the time instead of 25% like now.

The game used to be equally a two way sport now it’s very one sided. Perfect example is cj miles who is the spitting image of Hubert Davis . How’d did davis’s Career end up ? bit player because teams bodied him to force him to put the ball on the floor . Those days are over, Hubert Davis was born too early he would be a big time role player in today’s nba .