EnySpree wrote:

martin wrote:Feel like the Knicks have 2 guys who are statistically decent players in a few narrow categories but once you dig further they are net negatives.

Kanter and KOQ

Anybody you looking at to be a replacement?

Feel like the Knicks need to have a lot of things go right (all teams do really) over the next few years to get a deep playoff team.

Draft picks in 2018, 2019, and get rid of Lee's contract for 2019 FA market (and if not 2019 then 2020). To a lesser degree, one of Knicks many second round/GLeague guys needs to be a solid rotation piece.

I don't follow college ball enough to have any input in draft, but from a cost perspective, getting a big man under cost control for 5 years is key to also nabbing a FA guy in 2019, 2020. As soon as you resign Kanter/KOQ type this year or next for more than 1 year, you are priced out of the MAX free agent market. Zero, done, and then you need to draft one yourself, which is tough in the 8-13 range. Not impossible but tough.

martin wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

martin wrote:Feel like the Knicks have 2 guys who are statistically decent players in a few narrow categories but once you dig further they are net negatives.

Kanter and KOQ

Anybody you looking at to be a replacement?

Feel like the Knicks need to have a lot of things go right (all teams do really) over the next few years to get a deep playoff team.

Draft picks in 2018, 2019, and get rid of Lee's contract for 2019 FA market (and if not 2019 then 2020). To a lesser degree, one of Knicks many second round/GLeague guys needs to be a solid rotation piece.

I don't follow college ball enough to have any input in draft, but from a cost perspective, getting a big man under cost control for 5 years is key to also nabbing a FA guy in 2019, 2020. As soon as you resign Kanter/KOQ type this year or next for more than 1 year, you are priced out of the MAX free agent market. Zero, done, and then you need to draft one yourself, which is tough in the 8-13 range. Not impossible but tough.

So the short answer is no you don't have any players in mind to replace them....

I like Kornet in the mix going forward. Other than that the Knicks options might be via trade. Kanter is not gonna opt out. It really doesn't matter if he does. We just have to keep the options open for 2019... if you take a look at this list http://www.spotrac.com/nba/free-agents/2019/center/ there's really nobody out there worth the trouble. Our best center prospect is probably KP.

EnySpree wrote:

martin wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

martin wrote:Feel like the Knicks have 2 guys who are statistically decent players in a few narrow categories but once you dig further they are net negatives.

Kanter and KOQ

Anybody you looking at to be a replacement?

Feel like the Knicks need to have a lot of things go right (all teams do really) over the next few years to get a deep playoff team.

Draft picks in 2018, 2019, and get rid of Lee's contract for 2019 FA market (and if not 2019 then 2020). To a lesser degree, one of Knicks many second round/GLeague guys needs to be a solid rotation piece.

I don't follow college ball enough to have any input in draft, but from a cost perspective, getting a big man under cost control for 5 years is key to also nabbing a FA guy in 2019, 2020. As soon as you resign Kanter/KOQ type this year or next for more than 1 year, you are priced out of the MAX free agent market. Zero, done, and then you need to draft one yourself, which is tough in the 8-13 range. Not impossible but tough.

So the short answer is no you don't have any players in mind to replace them....

I like Kornet in the mix going forward. Other than that the Knicks options might be via trade. Kanter is not gonna opt out. It really doesn't matter if he does. We just have to keep the options open for 2019... if you take a look at this list http://www.spotrac.com/nba/free-agents/2019/center/ there's really nobody out there worth the trouble. Our best center prospect is probably KP.

I just wrote a whole response on how and why I would replace them, essentially it's through the draft.

IMO Kanter is opting in and unless the Knicks draft a big with their first, (and even if they did) I wouldn't be surprised if KOQ signed a 1 year deal with the Knicks at like $8M if he can't find something to his liking elsewhere.

martin wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

martin wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

martin wrote:Feel like the Knicks have 2 guys who are statistically decent players in a few narrow categories but once you dig further they are net negatives.

Kanter and KOQ

Anybody you looking at to be a replacement?

Feel like the Knicks need to have a lot of things go right (all teams do really) over the next few years to get a deep playoff team.

Draft picks in 2018, 2019, and get rid of Lee's contract for 2019 FA market (and if not 2019 then 2020). To a lesser degree, one of Knicks many second round/GLeague guys needs to be a solid rotation piece.

I don't follow college ball enough to have any input in draft, but from a cost perspective, getting a big man under cost control for 5 years is key to also nabbing a FA guy in 2019, 2020. As soon as you resign Kanter/KOQ type this year or next for more than 1 year, you are priced out of the MAX free agent market. Zero, done, and then you need to draft one yourself, which is tough in the 8-13 range. Not impossible but tough.

So the short answer is no you don't have any players in mind to replace them....

I like Kornet in the mix going forward. Other than that the Knicks options might be via trade. Kanter is not gonna opt out. It really doesn't matter if he does. We just have to keep the options open for 2019... if you take a look at this list http://www.spotrac.com/nba/free-agents/2019/center/ there's really nobody out there worth the trouble. Our best center prospect is probably KP.

I just wrote a whole response on how and why I would replace them, essentially it's through the draft.

IMO Kanter is opting in and unless the Knicks draft a big with their first, (and even if they did) I wouldn't be surprised if KOQ signed a 1 year deal with the Knicks at like $8M if he can't find something to his liking elsewhere.

Never mentioned and specific player you like. The draft is not a player. What draft pick you looking at? I'm legit asking.... but you said you don't follow college ball. So you don't know who is out there then right?

My thing is you can't just say the Knicks should do something in the draft but then you don't even know who they should be looking to draft... that's lazy fandom. We're supposed to be on another level in here

EnySpree wrote:

martin wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

martin wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

martin wrote:Feel like the Knicks have 2 guys who are statistically decent players in a few narrow categories but once you dig further they are net negatives.

Kanter and KOQ

Anybody you looking at to be a replacement?

Feel like the Knicks need to have a lot of things go right (all teams do really) over the next few years to get a deep playoff team.

Draft picks in 2018, 2019, and get rid of Lee's contract for 2019 FA market (and if not 2019 then 2020). To a lesser degree, one of Knicks many second round/GLeague guys needs to be a solid rotation piece.

I don't follow college ball enough to have any input in draft, but from a cost perspective, getting a big man under cost control for 5 years is key to also nabbing a FA guy in 2019, 2020. As soon as you resign Kanter/KOQ type this year or next for more than 1 year, you are priced out of the MAX free agent market. Zero, done, and then you need to draft one yourself, which is tough in the 8-13 range. Not impossible but tough.

So the short answer is no you don't have any players in mind to replace them....

I like Kornet in the mix going forward. Other than that the Knicks options might be via trade. Kanter is not gonna opt out. It really doesn't matter if he does. We just have to keep the options open for 2019... if you take a look at this list http://www.spotrac.com/nba/free-agents/2019/center/ there's really nobody out there worth the trouble. Our best center prospect is probably KP.

I just wrote a whole response on how and why I would replace them, essentially it's through the draft.

IMO Kanter is opting in and unless the Knicks draft a big with their first, (and even if they did) I wouldn't be surprised if KOQ signed a 1 year deal with the Knicks at like $8M if he can't find something to his liking elsewhere.

Never mentioned and specific player you like. The draft is not a player. What draft pick you looking at? I'm legit asking.... but you said you don't follow college ball. So you don't know who is out there then right?

My thing is you can't just say the Knicks should do something in the draft but then you don't even know who they should be looking to draft... that's lazy fandom. We're supposed to be on another level in here

It's not lazy fandom, it's called being honest and not just spewing whatever, patting myself on the back and thinking it is informed.

I can list the big men in the top 15 as well as anyone if I just regurgitated NBADraft.net or DraftExpress whatnot. Doesn't add much cause I don't follow any of those college players.

Knicks have a lot of wings and KP. KOQ, Noah, Kater won't be on the team in 2 years if we have a good FO. Hoping the Knicks at BPA in the drafts and get lucky and move to top 3.

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Bonn1997 wrote:

BigRedDog wrote:

martin wrote:IMO reason KOQ will never be a starter or important big man on a playoff team (even off bench). Same reason I don’t offer him a long term contract (unless it’s at $5m per)

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Constantly sits in paint on D, commits way too many illegal screens, etc

I agree completely. I have been one of his biggest detractors. I just don't think he is any good and so over rated on this site. Terrible defender- can't defend any starting center, can't get out to the 3 pt line, goes for every fake, makes 1-3 illegal screens per game, 1-3 boneheaded plays per game. He never runs hard and just jogs. I see Kanter sprinting down court vs KOQ just jogs and therefore his defender beats him down court for any easy basket.Not sure why he never gets called out for this by Horny. He is a backup, no way can he be a starter. KOQ is fools gold, looks good for moments or a few games but can't do it consistently .Makes some good passes but then makes some terrible passes right to the defender. No way can we give money to a back up center. Much smarter to let him leave and give the minutes to Noah.

All that and he's still holding his man to below average shooting! It must be all that help defense from Jack.

Watch the games and get ur ass out of stats. Many people a lot smarter than me don't trust defensive metrics including SVG."SVG has said repeatedly that he doesn’t trust defensive metrics. One thing I agree with."

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CrushAlot wrote:He was awesome in last night's fourth quarter.

KOQ has his moments. I was happily surprised at his play early this season and thought he had turned a corner.

This is KOQ's 3rd year as a Knicks player and the first year I thought he came into the season in proper shape. I'll give him a sliver of an excuse the first year after his father passed away, but realistically he came in overweight and very out of shape. No excuse for a player to finally get his body right 2 years later, but he is in a contract year.

KOQ makes too many mental mistakes, and the same ones over and over and over again, and he can't seem to break bad habits. If and you me and everyone else can easily see these mistakes on TV you KNOW the coaching staff is riding him about them on a daily basis, and yet little to no change.

KOQ has great strength and super long arms, very good timing down low to make up for lack of vertical burst as a C/PF. In 3 years he has not been able to expand his shooting range, same as it was before he came from Orlando. Still can't understand how a player like him can't figure out how to set a legal pick. Love his passing this year.

The Knicks mostly like won't make playoffs for another 2 years, and by then KOQ will be 31 at that year's end.

He is not long for the Knicks team IMHO

martin wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:He was awesome in last night's fourth quarter.

KOQ has his moments. I was happily surprised at his play early this season and thought he had turned a corner.

This is KOQ's 3rd year as a Knicks player and the first year I thought he came into the season in proper shape. I'll give him a sliver of an excuse the first year after his father passed away, but realistically he came in overweight and very out of shape. No excuse for a player to finally get his body right 2 years later, but he is in a contract year.

KOQ makes too many mental mistakes, and the same ones over and over and over again, and he can't seem to break bad habits. If and you me and everyone else can easily see these mistakes on TV you KNOW the coaching staff is riding him about them on a daily basis, and yet little to no change.

KOQ has great strength and super long arms, very good timing down low to make up for lack of vertical burst as a C/PF. In 3 years he has not been able to expand his shooting range, same as it was before he came from Orlando. Still can't understand how a player like him can't figure out how to set a legal pick. Love his passing this year.

The Knicks mostly like won't make playoffs for another 2 years, and by then KOQ will be 31 at that year's end.

He is not long for the Knicks team IMHO

Bonn1997 wrote:

martin wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:He was awesome in last night's fourth quarter.

KOQ has his moments. I was happily surprised at his play early this season and thought he had turned a corner.

This is KOQ's 3rd year as a Knicks player and the first year I thought he came into the season in proper shape. I'll give him a sliver of an excuse the first year after his father passed away, but realistically he came in overweight and very out of shape. No excuse for a player to finally get his body right 2 years later, but he is in a contract year.

KOQ makes too many mental mistakes, and the same ones over and over and over again, and he can't seem to break bad habits. If and you me and everyone else can easily see these mistakes on TV you KNOW the coaching staff is riding him about them on a daily basis, and yet little to no change.

KOQ has great strength and super long arms, very good timing down low to make up for lack of vertical burst as a C/PF. In 3 years he has not been able to expand his shooting range, same as it was before he came from Orlando. Still can't understand how a player like him can't figure out how to set a legal pick. Love his passing this year.

The Knicks mostly like won't make playoffs for another 2 years, and by then KOQ will be 31 at that year's end.

He is not long for the Knicks team IMHO

He does not do any harm either. If you can get him cheap, he is a good role player and trade asset. Although I'd rather keep him, if they weren't going to re-sign him they should have traded him.

what price?

fishmike wrote:

martin wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

martin wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:He was awesome in last night's fourth quarter.

KOQ has his moments. I was happily surprised at his play early this season and thought he had turned a corner.

This is KOQ's 3rd year as a Knicks player and the first year I thought he came into the season in proper shape. I'll give him a sliver of an excuse the first year after his father passed away, but realistically he came in overweight and very out of shape. No excuse for a player to finally get his body right 2 years later, but he is in a contract year.

KOQ makes too many mental mistakes, and the same ones over and over and over again, and he can't seem to break bad habits. If and you me and everyone else can easily see these mistakes on TV you KNOW the coaching staff is riding him about them on a daily basis, and yet little to no change.

KOQ has great strength and super long arms, very good timing down low to make up for lack of vertical burst as a C/PF. In 3 years he has not been able to expand his shooting range, same as it was before he came from Orlando. Still can't understand how a player like him can't figure out how to set a legal pick. Love his passing this year.

The Knicks mostly like won't make playoffs for another 2 years, and by then KOQ will be 31 at that year's end.

He is not long for the Knicks team IMHO

He does not do any harm either. If you can get him cheap, he is a good role player and trade asset. Although I'd rather keep him, if they weren't going to re-sign him they should have traded him.

what price?

they couldnt trade him at $4mm expiring, how are they trading him for more money, older and with more years? Makes no sense. KOQ is not good. He's really good sometimes, really bad others, and the really bad usually against quality opponents.

I like him, good locker room guy and bench player. Not someone you resign to a rebuilding team going to the lottery. How many wins is KOQ adding?

yeah, same

Bonn1997 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

martin wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

martin wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:He was awesome in last night's fourth quarter.

KOQ has his moments. I was happily surprised at his play early this season and thought he had turned a corner.

This is KOQ's 3rd year as a Knicks player and the first year I thought he came into the season in proper shape. I'll give him a sliver of an excuse the first year after his father passed away, but realistically he came in overweight and very out of shape. No excuse for a player to finally get his body right 2 years later, but he is in a contract year.

KOQ makes too many mental mistakes, and the same ones over and over and over again, and he can't seem to break bad habits. If and you me and everyone else can easily see these mistakes on TV you KNOW the coaching staff is riding him about them on a daily basis, and yet little to no change.

KOQ has great strength and super long arms, very good timing down low to make up for lack of vertical burst as a C/PF. In 3 years he has not been able to expand his shooting range, same as it was before he came from Orlando. Still can't understand how a player like him can't figure out how to set a legal pick. Love his passing this year.

The Knicks mostly like won't make playoffs for another 2 years, and by then KOQ will be 31 at that year's end.

He is not long for the Knicks team IMHO

He does not do any harm either. If you can get him cheap, he is a good role player and trade asset. Although I'd rather keep him, if they weren't going to re-sign him they should have traded him.

what price?

they couldnt trade him at $4mm expiring, how are they trading him for more money, older and with more years? Makes no sense. KOQ is not good. He's really good sometimes, really bad others, and the really bad usually against quality opponents.

I like him, good locker room guy and bench player. Not someone you resign to a rebuilding team going to the lottery. How many wins is KOQ adding?

$5 or 6 mil a year? Otherwise, you're probably get an inferior player/worse trade asset at that price anyway.

Ill ask again... why bother? Just move on and get a guy worth developing. Leave the roster spot for a prospect.

Do we care if playing KOQ over say Kornet gets us from 30 wins to 33 wins? Just keep the slot open see if you can develop a guy who fits into the long term plans