CrushAlot wrote:Nalod wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Nalod wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Knixkik wrote:knicks1248 wrote:martin wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Nalod wrote:Why do most of you still think Walsh was the facilitator of the Melo deal?
Walsh did not trade for melo, it was Dolan.
Walsh in all his years in Indy never made a move like we did with Amare. Never.
Do any of you now think, even in hindsight with all you know that Walsh would initialize a $100 million dollar deal over 5 years for a player PHX knew was defective?
Not insured? We knew he too was defective. What GM in their right mind would do this, let alone an owner? What owner takes that on?
Unless its what he wants.
This is the first suggestion I have heard that Walsh didn't do the Amare deal. If you trade away lottery picks, and first round picks to clear cap space to sign Lebron and possibly a second max player, you need to come away with something for all of those assets. I think the Amare deal was all Walsh. I also believe he has said that the Melo deal was on him but it was awhile ago. His goal was to get two superstars.
Not the first suggestion that I have read.
Walsh has literally come out and said he did the Amare deal and I still don't believe him, figuring he is pulling the old, savvy gm cover story for his old paycheck maker.
Walsh stated he pulled back on the melo trade because DENVER also wanted Mosgov, thats when Dolan jumped in and said here, take him and a 1st rounder..
He would only signed Amare if MDA approved of it knowing mDA and Amare didn't see eye to eye during the last season in phoenix.
Actually you are incorrect. Walsh stated relatively recently that he made the Melo trade. The Dolan involvement was never confirmed anywhere, unless i missed something.
The original post was where Nalod said Walsh wouldn't sign Amare, it had to be Dolan. I have never heard that before. Martin said he has heard that Dolan was the reason Amare was signed. I have never heard that but I do know Walsh traded the Knicks rookie lottery pick and a future first round pick to have the cap space to sign two max contracts. I think Walsh signed Amare so that he didn't come up empty handed after giving away so much to be a possible destination for Lebron. If there are any links that verify Dolan was behind tha Amare signing please post them.
Don't misquote me. All I said was no owner lets a GM, particularly one the league forced upon him to make 100mil decisions without his permission and involvement.
I never said who likes who, or who is to blame.
I never read a GM that ever blamed an owner for anything. Not sure if its unwritten law or what ever.
I just know that Dolan and the knicks have this stupid shyt starphuch thing despite the GM.
Walsh will always say "He" did the trade. Its how GM's talk.
I have stated its my opinion.
As for Knicks doing a Deron deal, I agree that would have happened. Perhaps at a lessor cost. Is that because Walsh would not have been able to help himself? I don't know. I suspect Dolan would have been upset Crosstown rival got a bigger star.
As for Terry Porter, lets get real, he works and lives in portland, and knicks are playing. There are plenty of times guys with relationships visit other teams. Coaches learn from each other.
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3/4/2018 9:27 AM
Why do most of you still think Walsh was the facilitator of the Melo deal?
Walsh did not trade for melo, it was Dolan.
Walsh in all his years in Indy never made a move like we did with Amare. Never.
Do any of you now think, even in hindsight with all you know that Walsh would initialize a $100 million dollar deal over 5 years for a player PHX knew was defective?
Not insured? We knew he too was defective. What GM in their right mind would do this, let alone an owner? What owner takes that on?
Unless its what he wants.
In regards to what gm in his right mind would do that? A GM that traded away a teams lottery pick and a future first rounder to open up cap space for a second max contract only to find himself in a position where none of his free agent targets wanted to sign with him.
When your boss says to make room, you do it.
Walsh's plan all along was to clear cap space. He made the Zbo and Craw deals very ealry into his tenure. Everyone knew his plan. That is part of the reason he got taken to the cleaners to clear cap space.
If LeBron had signed, we would be singing a different tune. Unfortunately when you are on a deadline to clear cap space, corners have to be cut. Perry was able to get a good deal for Melo, in spite of his NTC, because he had more time to haggle.
What I thought Walsh really screwed up was the draft that got us Jordan Hill. We know who he really wanted to draft.
Considering the makeup of the roster at the time, should have done his homework, and come up with a much better plan B. The draft looked like it was treated as an afterthought next to getting LeBron.
3/8/2018 2:11 AM
