knicks1248 wrote:Nalod wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Nalod wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Jmpasq wrote:TripleThreat wrote:nykshaknbake wrote:That's over simplistic....
Here's what you can say about Perry so far. Given his circumstances, he inherited some bad situations on this roster and team, he has not however ( so far) made it worse.
Phil Jackson inherited a bad situation. He traded for Calderon. He made it worse. He didn't have to trade for Calderon. He walked in with a team gutted of draft picks, not his fault. He signed Lance Thomas to a mind boggling deal for a 15th man type energy guy. He made it worse.
It's hard to say if Perry will be a GOOD GM or not.
Just being a "Not Bad GM" is not the same as a "Good GM" Not making your bad situation worse is a sign of a Not Bad GM. A Good GM will do things like Belichick did when he drafted Gronk and Aaron Hernandez, saw the trend curves and beat the league to the punch.
Perry is very limited by choices. He could only shop in Tier 5 of Free Agency, and he was limited by players who were not scooped up by contenders and could offer more money. In that regard, his choices were always limited.
If a team makes the correct market based decisions, in an early rebuild, the choices literally make themselves. Any young NBA intern could do Perry's job right now. However, it's wait and see down the road whether hes a Good GM or not.
He's not making his bad situations worse, that's all anyone can ask for at this stage. Since it's a huge relative improvement to that idiot Phil Jackson, it does look like super star stuff to some in contrast. It's not hard to look good when the guy before you was an idiot. God Bless Phil Jackson the coach, but running this team, he was truly out of his depth.
his tenure starts this offseason with the 9th pick, make it count.
Perry didn't have to trade melo, it's not like SUGE Knight came to his office with demands.
I would have giving cleveland, Frank/willy/1st rnd and whatever else they wanted (aside from KP) for Kyrie
Kyrie/THJ/Melo/KP/Noah and you would have still been able to get BURKE/Bease/jack
Phil did not inherit a bad team, Like perry, he made a trade that didn't solve any problems.
Perry did make a bad situation worse, he got rid of one disgruntle player(melo) that resulted in having 2 disgruntle players(noah and willy) and Noah's contract is 10x worse then melo's, and he's not even fckng playing which hurts even more. Now they're sitting there scratching their heads like (what do we do now)
His tenure started one second after he signed his contract, he's already been involved in FA and trade deadlines.
The fact that Perry has to answer to mills, he's more of an consultant than an actual GM, the same roll MILLs had when phil was here.
we never associated any moves under phil as a mills trade or mills signing.
Why do you think that is?
The only reason Mills has a job is because he's Dolan's BOY, that's his main qualifications, and don't act like you don't know that.
You don't think that's a problem?
Career
Mills played professional basketball in Ecuador for a year.[2] He worked for the National Basketball Association for sixteen years beginning in 1984 after having worked at Chemical Bank. Mills ascension while at the NBA was notable. He was an account executive in the corporate sponsorship department of NBA properties and program manager for NBA properties. He became vice-president of special events, after which he was senior vice-president of Basketball and Player Development,[3] Mills then became Chief operating officer and Sports Business President of Madison Square Garden in 2003.[4] His duties at MSG included supervising day-to-day operations, including finances, business strategies of the NBAs New York Knicks, NHL's New York Rangers and the WNBA's New York Liberty. All sports related activities were under his jurisdiction, including boxing, college basketball and track & field.In 2009, Mills left MSG and joined Magic Johnson Enterprises where he helped create the Athletes & Entertainers Wealth Management Group, LLC (A&E).[5] of which he was a partner.[6]
On September 26, 2013, the New York Knicks announced Mills would be the executive vice president and general manager of the organization.[7]
On July 14, 2017, after announcing that Scott Perry would become the Knicks' newest general manager, the Knicks also announced Mills would be the new president of the organization, replacing the role that was previously held by Phil Jackson.
Memberships
Mills was on the Board of Trustees of USA Basketball and the Board of Trustees of the Basketball Hall of Fame. He currently is on the Board of Advisors for the Hospital for Special Surgery, Board of Directors of Harlem Junior Tennis and Board of Directors Princeton University Varsity Club. He also Co-Chairs the Princeton University Connect Initiative Task Force.
Achievements
Mills was named Black Enterprise's Corporate Executive of the Year in 2003,[4] and was listed as one of the Top Front Office Team Executives on Black Enterprise's 50 Most Powerful Blacks in Sports in 2005.[9]
Before getting hired by Dolan in 2013 it was rumored he was leading candidate to replace Billy Hunter as head of the NBA union.
You have to go a bit further than "HE DOLANS BOY". Do I have a problem? No, he seems qualified to be Team president. As GM? no, but think for a moment (Novel idea, right?), Your kind of stuck on titles than job description. What if Phil did all the roster stuff the GM does, but had final say on matters? What if Mills when he was GM did the financial work for the team as does most Presidents, but you just call him "GM". Same pay, same deal, but give Phil the title for many reasons. Including that Mills reports to Phil. Might be a bit unconventional to the causual reader. To test that theory, when Phil was made gone, look what happend, Mills title changed back and knicks hired Perry whose duties are more conventional to the GM title he holds.
So the question remains, is Mills qualified to be a team president? Do you have the corporate management acumen to debate his qualifications beyond "His Boy"?
Qualification comes from experience, hell, Fisher was the union pres at one point. Nothing in mills back round suggest he is qualified to build a championship team.
Maybe if the team had a solid core and only required tinkering, but this is a total fckng mess, this requires someone with a lot of experience, and a proven back round
I know accuracy matters in some circles. These are two different titles, jobs, responsibilities and skill sets. They are also different people.
National Basketball Players Association executive director
and then there is the NBPA President. One is a full time job and the other, the players president is the representative the players vote on for one PLAYER to represent them with union issues. If it was a school, Fisher would be like Class president. Not really the same thing.
I know you like to pivot to some other point to so I'll do this slowly:
1. Currently Michelle Roberts is the exec director. This is her back ground:
Roberts began her career in 1980 at Public Defender Service for the District of Columbia. She served in that role for eight years, rising to the chief of the trial division. She was mentored by attorney Charles Ogletree.[2][3]
Roberts built her reputation as a trial lawyer. She worked for Akin Gump from 2004 to 2011. In 2011 she was hired by Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meagher & Flom.[4]
Roberts was named executive director of the National Basketball Players Association in July 2014.[1] She succeeded Billy Hunter in the position. She received 32 of 36 votes.
In 2014 she was named one of ESPNW's Impact 25.[5]
Roberts is an adjunct faculty member at Harvard Law School and a fellow of the American College of Trial Lawyers. The Washingtonian once referred to her as the "finest pure trial lawyer in Washington."[1]
2. The current players president is Chris Paul. He is a basketball player. I don't need his resume to post. He is very good at what he does. The position is usually a top player that the players trust. See the difference?
Ok, You want someone in place that has already been successful somewhere else. I get that. Or you may even want someone that was an assistant. Like Sean Marks at the nets. Sean marks is the GM of the Nets, Not president. Why not read up on other NBA presidents. Interesting stuff btw.
Are you ok with the discussion we had about Mills being GM in title, but PHil did the roster thing? Good.
Ok, so lets pretend now that talent wise, Perry replaced Phil as the talent guy. While Mills has to sign off of moves, he has to anyway because the financial guy does that. But he also is responsible for all facets of the franchise. Marketing, sponsership sales, revenue, Those other people in teh front office like the Lawyers, the human resouces persons, security, travel, etc. Lots of things to sign off on. Did Phil do those things? Not really.
Phil is to blame for the last few years if your need this. Mills did not construct the team. I know you want to hate mills so much, and you can if you want to, but if your going to do this Nalod is here to help you. Trust this. Going forward you can blame Perry. If you want Perry to get fired and be replaced then its Mills job.
It does not obsolve Mills of responsibility.
Since Mills was recruited to be president, then Dolan hired Jax, its not on MIlls that phil failed. So now Mills is back at the top, where his skill set is best and he has perry watching all the roster stuff. This is how it works. Mills is on the clock and responsible for Perry since last summer.
Mills did sign THjr. In my opinion time was of the essence on that transaction.
Is it a mess? Well, that's your opinion. Some see the decision making process the last few years as the leading cause up to this moment as the mess. Change the process, yyou change the result. You need not change the people to do this.
some see this season as the symptom of missteps of the past.
That is why not everyone sees things as you do.