CrushAlot wrote:Interesting article about the Payton trade. Apparently, Scott Skiles wanted no part of Payton when the Magic drafted him. This writer also says that Perry wasn't interested in Payton at the deadline and instead chose to trade for Mudiay.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/orlando-magic/os-sp-elfrid-payton-trade-orlando-magic-phoenix-suns-skiles-hennigan-20180208-story.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+orlandosentinel%2Fsports%2Fbasketball%2Fmagic+%28OrlandoSentinel.com+-+Orlando+Magic%29

It is not a good sign of a well run team when your veteran head coach tells the GM to not draft a player and they go ahead and do it. No wonder Skiles quit after one season if their hotheaded young general manager didn't listen to him. Ok sometimes the GM has to make a decision that might not go alongside what their head coach wants, but the Payton trade was always questionable because it sent a talented kid in Seris to the 76ers as well as giving them the rights back to their first round pick from this year.

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Nalod wrote:Skiles is a tough hombre to have coach. I dig the tough as nails vibe he has, but its also not easy for him to survive regime changes and keep jobs.
Sometimes you just do what is asked of you by management. Skiles is not that kind of dude.

I think Skiles was hired despite what Hennigan wanted. Skiles and Hennigan were in Orlando at the same time I believe.

Who hired him? Yes, I get they were there the same time. I thought Skils was already in place. If not, stupid for DeVos to hire a guy not wanted by GM.

Also I never like to hear the excuse that he's out of starter shape because he was riding pine. That might be true, but he also avoided all the little nagging injuries that can pile up from playing more.

Anyway, I'll remain optimistic but ATM more excited to see Burke and hope he can play at least adequate D (which can be somewhat hidden when paired with Frank)

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martin wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Chandler wrote:

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EnySpree wrote:

Vmart wrote:

martin wrote:

EnySpree wrote:Alot of you guys seem to love Frank's career more than the Knicks success.... that's highly troubling

Guy who loves to move the ball and make his teammates better and is capable of elite defense.

And you keep saying he is a failure. THAT is troubling.

Now that I think about it’s better to start Mudiay it’s good for the tank. Ntlikina actually plays winning brand of basketball. Which might push the Knicks back in the draft order.

That's just not true and proves my point. Frank plays a winning brand of basketball? Just say you really like Frank above the Knicks as a team. It's better than saying stupid things like this. If he played a winning brand we'd be winning.... cue the +/- Stan with the research smdh

I would but it's pointless. Frank is a rookie. Mudiay has had three-year to prove that he sucks. Will he get better? Hope so. But really, Mudiay is on the hot seat more than Frank at this point. If he doesn't show flashes his extension will be declined and who knows what happens from there. You see the flash, but many people see a guy who doesn't play winning basketball yet, if ever. You say it's case of the Nuggets choosing Murray over Mudiay. Really, they chose ancient Devin Harris over Mudiay. We have two prospects. Let them play and figure it out later.

+100

When the trade went down some nugget fans were upset with Mike Malone and how he had handled Mudiay's situation. He needed a fresh start. If players are who they are going to be at 21, Frank needs to get it in gear. His team has already brought in 2 more young point guards.

True! Another way to look at it is Frank is possibly the ONLY PG on the roster past next year and if both do well they may leave.

Frank has a lot to prove to himself and the Knicks over the next 2 seasons.

You truly believe Frank is a PG? From the day I first watched his game tape he has looked like a 2 guard with above average IQ and sub-par ball handling. I have a hard time visualizing the Knicks being successful with Frank as a lead guard. I think he could nice piece off the bench 20-25 minutes a night. Good player but when you have suffered for almost 20 years of crap basketball you want more with the 8th pck.

Absolutely. His first instinct is to pass and create for others. How anyone sees that as translating to a SG is beyond me.

martin wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

martin wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Chandler wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

Vmart wrote:

martin wrote:

EnySpree wrote:Alot of you guys seem to love Frank's career more than the Knicks success.... that's highly troubling

Guy who loves to move the ball and make his teammates better and is capable of elite defense.

And you keep saying he is a failure. THAT is troubling.

Now that I think about it’s better to start Mudiay it’s good for the tank. Ntlikina actually plays winning brand of basketball. Which might push the Knicks back in the draft order.

That's just not true and proves my point. Frank plays a winning brand of basketball? Just say you really like Frank above the Knicks as a team. It's better than saying stupid things like this. If he played a winning brand we'd be winning.... cue the +/- Stan with the research smdh

I would but it's pointless. Frank is a rookie. Mudiay has had three-year to prove that he sucks. Will he get better? Hope so. But really, Mudiay is on the hot seat more than Frank at this point. If he doesn't show flashes his extension will be declined and who knows what happens from there. You see the flash, but many people see a guy who doesn't play winning basketball yet, if ever. You say it's case of the Nuggets choosing Murray over Mudiay. Really, they chose ancient Devin Harris over Mudiay. We have two prospects. Let them play and figure it out later.

+100

When the trade went down some nugget fans were upset with Mike Malone and how he had handled Mudiay's situation. He needed a fresh start. If players are who they are going to be at 21, Frank needs to get it in gear. His team has already brought in 2 more young point guards.

True! Another way to look at it is Frank is possibly the ONLY PG on the roster past next year and if both do well they may leave.

Frank has a lot to prove to himself and the Knicks over the next 2 seasons.

You truly believe Frank is a PG? From the day I first watched his game tape he has looked like a 2 guard with above average IQ and sub-par ball handling. I have a hard time visualizing the Knicks being successful with Frank as a lead guard. I think he could nice piece off the bench 20-25 minutes a night. Good player but when you have suffered for almost 20 years of crap basketball you want more with the 8th pck.

Absolutely. His first instinct is to pass and create for others. How anyone sees that as translating to a SG is beyond me.

agree 100%. Not all point guards have to play like Kyrie, Westbrook, or Rose (when good).

Gary Payton was known more for his D, than his offense -- he was pretty good
George Hill played winning ball for the Spurs and Pacers -- he was pretty good.
Ron Harper, Dennis Johnson

Certainly he needs to improve his offensive game and handle, but there's nothing wrong with having a pass first, defensive point guard.