GustavBahler wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:GustavBahler wrote:martin wrote:GustavBahler wrote:martin wrote:EnySpree wrote:Alot of you guys seem to love Frank's career more than the Knicks success.... that's highly troubling
Guy who loves to move the ball and make his teammates better and is capable of elite defense.
And you keep saying he is a failure. THAT is troubling.
Frank has the potential to be that player. I do wonder though if some posters would be as vociferous in their defense of a so-so season, if Frank was a pick of another regime?
You are suggesting that our opinion of a player is influenced by WHO picked the player? That's quite shocking to me. Love Phil so much that someone's opinion of Frank is skewed or influenced? Not me anyway.
GustavBahler wrote:What has been frustrating for me as a fan watching Frank is that the minutes have been there all season, and the needle really hasnt moved as far as elevating his game.Wouldnt call it a big red flag, but a um..normal sized red flag. If Frank had been given sporadic minutes here and there, the lack of progress would be more understandable. Some of if might have to do with a nagging injury.
Really hope Frank looks at the starting PGs in this league, and tries to emulate what makes them elite. Wouldnt be suprised if the Knicks draft another PG as a plan B.
So, one question for you: Of the rookies in the lottery this past year, which players have moved the needle across the span of the year? And of those, how have the lower aged ones fared?
How did KP fare his first year?
Knicks didn't draft Ben Simmons type player.
So you are saying that the Andy Williams room, in a certain hotel in Branson MO. A meeting of certain Knicks forumenati with representatives of Phil Jackson's team to protect Frank from criticism, to pave the way for Phil's return to the
top of the Knicks pyramid,or should I say.....TRIANGLE? You say this meeting never happened??
As for my standards as a fan for Frank. Just want him to come out of this season playing like he has learned something from week 1. I havent seen enough growth in his game to say that. Wish I could. Still time this season to apply some of the things, he should have a better understanding of now. Like picking your moments. Mark of a heads up player.
Most rookies have been protected by critique their rookie yr honestly. Fans have always been will g to trade them. But they usually have let rooks get their lumps in before trashing them. Gallinari missed his entire rookie yr and after initial backlash of the pick being a community pick. Which we passed up Anthony Randolph for him. The board was relatively supportive. Jordan Hill was taken over Derozan and while he was traded away mid season. I don't remember to much whining about Hill. Mike Sweetney was given a pass his rookie yr. And he was fat and lazy.
Frank has gotten the most post made about him as a rookie critiqing his game since I don't even know. Most likely due to being a lotto PG in NY. Expectations are at a different level toward the PG position in NY.
Dont remember posters taking the criticism of a rook's game so personally. This was supposed to be a pick who would be a good fit with a budding star in KP. Frank looks like he was picked to be a good fit with a system, not a player, or players.
So far havent seen enough to prove otherwise. Will feel better about this pick when I do.
Hmm interesting. Maybe the idea that people are taking the critique personally sparks more post to be made about him making him polarizing. I will say a lot of the dialogue has turned more into dick measuring contest though.
Can't speak for everyone.
If you notice I don't really get into debating critique of his game. Everyone can see that he needs work. I'm not upset that Mudiay is starting over him or If Burke ends up getting more mins than him and he ends up having to sit. They all play for the Knicks, who ever earns it earns it imo. Go back and read the thread. There was no backlash for the decision by any fans. Only when Jmpasq stated that he feels they will move Frank in the offseason did any real debate get formed. Then when Eny stated that fans root for Franks success over the Knicks.
You could see how those 2 statements can start debate correct? Then when those statements land the obvious reactions. It becomes about being emotionally attached. When in the reality I believe ideals are what are being fought over more so then the player. I also don't believe the book is closed on Mudiay even though he has played 3 yrs. There are players who took many seasons and different teams until they molded themselves into the players they needed to be. But thats up to Mudiay and his work ethic, for Dougie I love the move.
Ive already broken down plenty of times my viewpoint of Frank with the Knicks. So I am sure we are all aware of where I stand and my reasoning. Even my first comments in this thread was about what I have been reading towards how the Knicks are going to move. As as we speak Jack has yet to play this game vs Orlando while Mudiay, Burke, & Frank all have gotten mins.
Only principals I fight for with Frank is the idea of trading him in a win now move or dumping him due to not showing immediate results. Wouldn't matter if it was Frank or if we drafted Monk and he was having the same season he is having now. Or if we drafted Luke Kennard. I would tell you the same things. Though I will admit I like the unique things Frank could potentially bring more so then Monk or Kennard. So those ideals give me more patience as well.
If you want to break down how Frank isn't a good enough PG. You won't get an argument from me because he isn't. But as ive stated many times already I don't view Frank as strictly a PG. He is set to make 4.1, 4.8, 6.0 mil over his next 3 seasons. At that price given that nobody knows what his potential is or at 6'5 with a 7ft wing span what position or role he will end up at at this point in his career at 19 yrs old. I feel it would be worth hanging on to give his cheap contract to see what he could become.
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