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EnySpree
Posts: 44917 Alba Posts: 138 Joined: 4/18/2003 Member: #397 |
2/16/2018 4:59 PM
martin wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:martin wrote:Good Post. We all knew Frank was raw. That doesnt mean he doesnt belong in the nba. i think some want instant gratifcation out of the draft. It may take Frank a year to really get comfortable BUT it may be worth the wait. Its not like the Knicks were ready to win now anyway. I like what ive seen from frank. Hopefully after the ASB Jeff stops jerking the kid around and let him and Mudiay pay together for the bul of the minutesEnySpree wrote:Frank 35% fg, 33% from 3...69% from the free throw... If you guys condone playing guys that don't deserve to play because you want to develop them, then you have truly lost your kool aid loving minds. This is the top level of basketball. This is not where guys learn how to play. Frank has to learn how to play. I been posting stats like crazy but anyhow that's still not enough. You guys just want to play the kid hoping he learns how to play. So we're supposed to force Frank to play for 2-3 years when he doesn't deserve to? I mean what are you even saying? No player in the NBA deserves that treatment. That's just as bad as signing JR Smith's brother. I'm not saying trade Frank. He's 19... you don't give up on the kid.... but we don't reward a guy even he doesn't deserve to be out there. Mudiay and Burke earned their time. Frank shouldn't be playing over them, especially even he's playing 20 minutes and only getting 2 rebounds in games. Tats not fair to guys that are contributing Subscribe to my Podcast https://youtube.com/c/DiehardknicksPodcast
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HofstraBBall
Posts: 27186 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 11/21/2015 Member: #6192 |
2/16/2018 5:23 PM LAST EDITED: 2/16/2018 5:41 PM
StarksEwing1 wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:Exactly. Like i mentioned before some wnat instant gratification. Most of us knew Frank was raw and it would take time especially since he is one of the youngest players in the leagueUptown wrote:Knixkik wrote:Uptown wrote:EnySpree wrote:Frank 35% fg, 33% from 3...69% from the free throw... Dont think this is true. The reason he climbed to 8th pick and why so many were saying he was a better pick than others is because of his advanced maturity, BB IQ, experience against "grown men/NBA type competition and rediness to contribute at this level. Fact is, that was just not true and those same people are now excusing their failed perception with the "he is only 19" narrative. Not saying that this was you. You probably were able to see, as I did, that any 19 year old, is a long term project and more of a risk. Problem is, a long term project should not be taken as an 8th pick. Most on here think that is calling the kid out. Its not. Im calling out the people that chose him and passed on others that have shown they were closer to contributing. I really do hope and think the kid will figure it out. But it wont change my oppinion that a Euro 19 year old, with limited exposure, should not be taken at the 8 spot. 'Knicks focus should be on players that have grown up playing soccer or cricket' - Triplethreat 8/28/2020
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HofstraBBall
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2/16/2018 5:33 PM LAST EDITED: 2/16/2018 5:37 PM
CrushAlot wrote:Nalod wrote:Both of those guys had elite athleticism for the nba. KG is at the top of any nba list for all time athleticism. I think we can say that Frank does not have elite nba athleticism at this point. I don't see that changing. I don't think you can say that there was a timidness to KG or Kobe as rookies either. Lets look at the two guys mentioned as rookies. Not sure that hindsight was needed to know they were going to be great.CrushAlot wrote:Nalod wrote:KG was one of the most athletically gifted players all time. Kobe had tremendous athleticism. They also were both fierce competitors on both ends of the court and had a mental toughness not seen in many players. Frank shares the fact that he came into the league as a teenager with them and that is it. The other stuff isn't there. Few players have that. Nothing about Frank screams athletic freak. He certainly could become a mentally tough player. I don't see that hof fierceness that those two had ever being a part of what might make him more than a rotation player.Skudra wrote:winning? did he won something? apart from nice rookie contract? Can see some on here calling those two "One Dimensional,"Lacking Defensive ability" or "ball hogs", back in their rookie years. Remember how some thought D Smith Jr. and Mitchell were just ball hogs. Not that they will turn out to be All time greats but most just dont recognize special athletic ability. 'Knicks focus should be on players that have grown up playing soccer or cricket' - Triplethreat 8/28/2020
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StarksEwing1
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2/16/2018 5:44 PM
EnySpree wrote:mudiay and frank have looked good together when given the time. You act like he has sucked every game which is not true. He has been up ans down which was expected for such a young kid who was raw. Nobody is saying to just give him everything BUT it makes perfect sense to at least let him play through some mistakes.martin wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:martin wrote:Good Post. We all knew Frank was raw. That doesnt mean he doesnt belong in the nba. i think some want instant gratifcation out of the draft. It may take Frank a year to really get comfortable BUT it may be worth the wait. Its not like the Knicks were ready to win now anyway. I like what ive seen from frank. Hopefully after the ASB Jeff stops jerking the kid around and let him and Mudiay pay together for the bul of the minutesEnySpree wrote:Frank 35% fg, 33% from 3...69% from the free throw... |
Knixkik
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2/16/2018 6:13 PM LAST EDITED: 2/16/2018 6:14 PM
StarksEwing1 wrote:EnySpree wrote:mudiay and frank have looked good together when given the time. You act like he has sucked every game which is not true. He has been up ans down which was expected for such a young kid who was raw. Nobody is saying to just give him everything BUT it makes perfect sense to at least let him play through some mistakes.martin wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:martin wrote:Good Post. We all knew Frank was raw. That doesnt mean he doesnt belong in the nba. i think some want instant gratifcation out of the draft. It may take Frank a year to really get comfortable BUT it may be worth the wait. Its not like the Knicks were ready to win now anyway. I like what ive seen from frank. Hopefully after the ASB Jeff stops jerking the kid around and let him and Mudiay pay together for the bul of the minutesEnySpree wrote:Frank 35% fg, 33% from 3...69% from the free throw... I don't think it should even be a question here, he will play a lot and will have some good games and some stinkers. My thing with him is, we already see his floor as a player. He can make open threes and defend at a high level. He's not going to be a bust. His downside is low-usage role player. The issue is missing on Mitchell, as did plenty of other teams. But there have been guys in front of him like Isaac, Jackson, and obviously Fultz, who appear bigger risks. Jackson is starting to put up numbers, but he is already 21 years old and doesn't have an NBA skill on either side of the ball yet. Frank has an improving jumper, and has good defensive intangibles already. People just need to be patient, which appears to be almost impossible here. I am fine with what he's doing. One out of every 4 games maybe, we see major flashes. |
EnySpree
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2/16/2018 6:38 PM LAST EDITED: 2/16/2018 6:41 PM
Knixkik wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:EnySpree wrote:mudiay and frank have looked good together when given the time. You act like he has sucked every game which is not true. He has been up ans down which was expected for such a young kid who was raw. Nobody is saying to just give him everything BUT it makes perfect sense to at least let him play through some mistakes.martin wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:martin wrote:Good Post. We all knew Frank was raw. That doesnt mean he doesnt belong in the nba. i think some want instant gratifcation out of the draft. It may take Frank a year to really get comfortable BUT it may be worth the wait. Its not like the Knicks were ready to win now anyway. I like what ive seen from frank. Hopefully after the ASB Jeff stops jerking the kid around and let him and Mudiay pay together for the bul of the minutesEnySpree wrote:Frank 35% fg, 33% from 3...69% from the free throw... Why do we have to bring other factors and players into It? Frank is our guy... I'm not concerned with what other players are doing... draft position or who we should of drafted. I'm only concerned with Frank. You guys are really on some p.t.s.d. ****.... we can't say a player sucks even they do because we "never developed a player"... like were gonna ignore Kristaps... we developed Nate, David Lee, Wilson Chandler, Charlie ****ing ward. Come on now. Are we that tormented as a fan base? Frank ****ing sucks. I can't even mention good examples because you guys are so scary. Yes we have Kris Dunn whip sucked in Minnesota, but is showing actually game in chicago... you think Minnesota cares about what Dunn is doing? They moved on. You can look at Kenny Anderson's rookie year. He was terrible, looking like a bust. The following year he got busy. Frank could be that guy next year.... but right now he doesn't deserve to play. Frank himself has to pout in his own work to get better Subscribe to my Podcast https://youtube.com/c/DiehardknicksPodcast
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GustavBahler
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2/16/2018 6:40 PM
Sorry to sound like a broken record. I really hope Frank skips Intl. Play and educates himself in playground basketball right here. Rucker, Drew, whatever gets Frank to put equal emphasis on offense.
Willy misjudged mgmt, and ended up in worse situation. Dont want to see the same thing to happen to Frank. |
MS
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2/16/2018 6:44 PM
Frank is terrible.
He plays like he’s 36 years old. No explosion, no first step, no toughness, no vertical leap, no killer instinct. Wasted the pick on a future 8th guy on the roster. |
EnySpree
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2/16/2018 6:46 PM
GustavBahler wrote:Sorry to sound like a broken record. I really hope Frank skips Intl. Play and educates himself in playground basketball right here. Rucker, Drew, whatever gets Frank to put equal emphasis on offense. Frank is already in a bad situation.... Knicks have Mudiay, Burke and Jack ahead of him. Baker sucks too but he's actually the one bringing the pain on defense. If we settle into the idea that Frank isn't a point guard, Dotson is right there. Dotson is gonna be a good player no doubt. All of this is a good thing. Frank doesn't deserve to play if he isn't out playing most of the guys mentioned. That's just the way it should be. Subscribe to my Podcast https://youtube.com/c/DiehardknicksPodcast
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martin
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2/16/2018 6:54 PM
EnySpree wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Sorry to sound like a broken record. I really hope Frank skips Intl. Play and educates himself in playground basketball right here. Rucker, Drew, whatever gets Frank to put equal emphasis on offense. That's a nice statement and all but far from reality or what is going to happen. Or, in fact, what is happening. So it's kinda of wasted breathe, no? Official sponsor of the PURE KNICKS LOVE Program
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GustavBahler
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2/16/2018 7:03 PM
MS wrote:Frank is terrible. Im not arguing with your assesment of his game. I do believe that the only thing that will get Frank to play to his potential is understanding that minutes go to players who produce on both ends of the court. His interview about his playing in the rising stars game continues to show a young man who believes he has all the time in the world in NY. Frank needs a sense of urgency. Hope he finds it soon. |
blkexec
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2/16/2018 7:08 PM
MS wrote:Frank is terrible. Born in Brooklyn, Raised in Queens, Lives in Maryland.
The future is bright, I'm a Knicks fan for life!
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