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4/5/2018  1:54 PM
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Beck was referring to Jason Kidd in the above

The conversation on Araton's twitter is awesome. I follow him and have had conversations with him before. Both he and Isola respond to you if you tweet them. Also, that Macri guy from The Knicks Wall is worth a follow. Glad guys are still high on Frank. In regards to Kidd, he endorsed another Knick point guard a few years back. Hope he is more accurate with his endorsement this time.

I like Macri a lot. No idea why you would EVER follow Isola

MOved to Rochester in 87 after college. Got all my Knick news from the Post and Daily News for a long time when I first got here. Frank has been around a long time. He trashes the Knicks but he also posts scoops etc.
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4/5/2018  3:31 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
martin wrote:
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martin wrote:

Beck was referring to Jason Kidd in the above

The conversation on Araton's twitter is awesome. I follow him and have had conversations with him before. Both he and Isola respond to you if you tweet them. Also, that Macri guy from The Knicks Wall is worth a follow. Glad guys are still high on Frank. In regards to Kidd, he endorsed another Knick point guard a few years back. Hope he is more accurate with his endorsement this time.

I like Macri a lot. No idea why you would EVER follow Isola

MOved to Rochester in 87 after college. Got all my Knick news from the Post and Daily News for a long time when I first got here. Frank has been around a long time. He trashes the Knicks but he also posts scoops etc.

He's just so jaded and kind of a douche. And I've read enough of his mistakes in articles that I had to stop

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4/5/2018  3:38 PM
martin wrote:

Beck was referring to Jason Kidd in the above

To be fair you almost never hear former or current NBA players telling you a prospect is going to be a bust. Frank has potential because if he can become an average offensive player, he will help the team a lot, regardless of the position he ends up playing. But it's far from a done deal this will happen.

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4/5/2018  3:44 PM
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martin wrote:And for the record: I am super bullish on Frank. His ceiling for defense is All-Defense first team IMHO. His scoring sucks but his shot is not broken and just needs reps and confidence. Passing and awareness of player movement and space is excellent. Frank MUST play at a higher speed at all times (ala Nash or Kidd) and constantly force the issue with defenses. I think he'll be able to run a team quite nicely in 2 years. He will be able to guard 1-4 and blanket guys in a couple of year, something that wings just don't/can't do today. Once he gets strength, he'll be able to post up and shoot over most all PGs.

Feel like he will still come off bench next year. Watch out in 3rd year though.

Feel like he is on the same path as KP was when he first came into league but he didn't have the same pedigree and coaching so he is waaaayyy behind the curve. Doesn't have explosion but is sneaky quick with very good footwork and lateral movement. Doesn't have strength (yet) but knows how to leverage his body.

I can't wait to see what he looks like in a couple of years. He's really one of a kind for PG. He has the size and length to guard anyone. If he develops even an ounce of offense, he will be so tough. Like a guard version of Draymond. He has DPOY potential at either position. I really believe Ntilikina, Burke, and Hardaway make an excellent guard rotation moving forward. Which ones start is up in the air, but long-term, Frank is going to be really good. Guys who don't watch closely and just follow stats don't have a clue. Just need patience with him.

I just don't see him as a PG. No handles, no explosion, his court vision isn't anything special and he turns it over a fair bit. Can someone explain why everyone thinks him as a PG. Other than that it would be cool to have a PG that size with great D.

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4/5/2018  4:20 PM
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martin wrote:And for the record: I am super bullish on Frank. His ceiling for defense is All-Defense first team IMHO. His scoring sucks but his shot is not broken and just needs reps and confidence. Passing and awareness of player movement and space is excellent. Frank MUST play at a higher speed at all times (ala Nash or Kidd) and constantly force the issue with defenses. I think he'll be able to run a team quite nicely in 2 years. He will be able to guard 1-4 and blanket guys in a couple of year, something that wings just don't/can't do today. Once he gets strength, he'll be able to post up and shoot over most all PGs.

Feel like he will still come off bench next year. Watch out in 3rd year though.

Feel like he is on the same path as KP was when he first came into league but he didn't have the same pedigree and coaching so he is waaaayyy behind the curve. Doesn't have explosion but is sneaky quick with very good footwork and lateral movement. Doesn't have strength (yet) but knows how to leverage his body.

I can't wait to see what he looks like in a couple of years. He's really one of a kind for PG. He has the size and length to guard anyone. If he develops even an ounce of offense, he will be so tough. Like a guard version of Draymond. He has DPOY potential at either position. I really believe Ntilikina, Burke, and Hardaway make an excellent guard rotation moving forward. Which ones start is up in the air, but long-term, Frank is going to be really good. Guys who don't watch closely and just follow stats don't have a clue. Just need patience with him.

I just don't see him as a PG. No handles, no explosion, his court vision isn't anything special and he turns it over a fair bit. Can someone explain why everyone thinks him as a PG. Other than that it would be cool to have a PG that size with great D.

I think he's a combo guard. I don't really think it's necessary to pick one or the other at this point. I think he is very capable of playing both positions and will do so moving forward, similar to how Jrue Holiday plays in New Orleans.

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4/7/2018  12:41 AM
martin wrote:

I think someone (not me) said this months ago! NOt knicks1248, somone else1

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4/7/2018  12:49 AM
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That would be great. Is he staying in NY this summer?
I wonder if the Knicks could facilitate him having some family support stay with him in NY.
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4/7/2018  9:16 AM
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That would be great. Is he staying in NY this summer?
I wonder if the Knicks could facilitate him having some family support stay with him in NY.

https://nypost.com/2018/04/07/frank-ntilikinas-strength-training-starting-to-pay-dividends/

During the All-Star Weekend, Ntilikina said he planned to go back to France this offseason — a comment that raised eyebrows among Knicks staffers. Ntilikina now says he’ll only go briefly. The Knicks want him to play summer league in Las Vegas in July and be around NBA players who get together for recreational games.

“I think he should go back to France a little,’’ Hornacek said. “He left home — his family came up a few times — but it’s a long season. The season ends, he gets a couple of weeks to enjoy time home and get back to work. We want to find places where he can play a lot of games, pickup games in New York and if guys are out in L.A., we’ll try to get him out there.’ ”

Ntilikina said he’ll discuss his summer itinerary at next week’s exit meeting.

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4/7/2018  11:31 AM
9 assists last night for Frank plus 2 threes. He also took that charge in the paint from Bam. He's going to be a great one!
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4/7/2018  4:31 PM    LAST EDITED: 4/7/2018  8:21 PM
fishmike wrote:
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fishmike wrote:Hey... Frank's offense is bad. He's just now starting to shoot more and its not going in. Kid is going to be fine. He's got game. Once puberty sets in and hits the weight room he's a player. Hopefully its only a year or two and not 5

Lets pretend he's Dennis Smith, ignore the losing, the score and just focus on a fun play

https://www.msgnetworks.com/videos/highlight-frank-razzle-dazzle/


Great Idea!

"Just a Chucker" except for 8 dimes and 8 boards.

Kid had a great game. IS he better then Trey Burke?

I'll bite. Yes I do. Do you?

Down the road or today?

They had similar rookie season.

Is Trey Burke what you would expect from a 9th pick? That is where he was taken. Did you see Burke in the tourney? I am a betting man I could say 50-1 that when Burke declared you would have thought he had "it."

I mean the sample size is small. But Burke was the best player in the Gleague (and they were one of the best teams). Right now Burke's midrange game is unstoppable. They eye test is easy. The #s are nuts. Burke is shooting 50% from 10-16 feet and 60% from 16-3pt.

Right now with Burke you have a guy that creates separation with ease, is money from midrange, moves the ball to teammates for tons of open looks and never turns the ball over. Like ever. He's small. He defends fine m2m but fighting over screens is where the small guards get hurt and Burke does. Its why the #s show he's best with Frank. Not because Frank is the best, he clearly is NOT, but because Frank moves the ball back to Burke and is the better defender. Burke's effort on defense has impressed me. Enough where I am ready to hand him the keys next year and not touch a guy like Trea Young.

So TODAY Burke is a much better NBA player. Its not even close. IS that fair? Well DSmith hasnt had 3 years to figure out like Burke, so its a bit silly to compare. I would not be surprised to see a guy like Smith Jr blossom on another team after Dallas or Carlisle is sick of the bad shots, poor defense and TOs. Some guys take time.

When Jazz drafted Burke 9th this is what they hoped they were getting. Is the shooting sustainable? What carries more weight? Smith's potential or Burke's small sample of recent NBA play?

So Burke is better? Is that because of his incremental better shooting percentage. Per 36? Ok. So Smith Jr. averages more in Pts, Asst's, rebounds, steals, blocks etc. But that doesn't matter. As mentioned, based on 33 games (Burke) vs 68 (Smith). And nice to include the fact he was one of best players in the GLeague?? Lmao. Is Carlisle tired of him? Please post the article. a vet coach tired of his first year PG ( Hardest position for first year guy. Just ask Franky) for averaging 15/5. OK and lets also leave out that Burke is doing so on a team with no other PG worth a damn and a team whos main scorer is Timmy Chuck. Fair enough, lets add this to my Fish list of contention. Your due buddy.

In terms of what Burke turned out to be at 9, of course he did not live up to a 9th pick. But are you are predicting Smith Jr. to have the same type of lack of improvement? Byw, better check that basketball scale when talking about what holds more weight. A guy that has 3 years of mediocre play, went to the /g Leahue and has an okay go with a really bad Knick squad VS a kid that has been the top of every level he has been in and now had a very good first year at the PG position. Yeah, check that scale.

As for Frank at SG, doesn't a shooting guard usually the best shooter? Hey, maybe he will be the next Andre Roberson..... in five years.

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4/7/2018  5:28 PM
reub wrote:9 assists last night for Frank plus 2 threes. He also took that charge in the paint from Bam. He's going to be a great one!

lol

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4/10/2018  9:45 AM

https://dailyknicks.com/2018/04/05/new-york-knicks-jeff-hornacek-frank-ntilikina-work-ethic/

I was impressed to learn Frank added 8lbs over the season with all the strength training and his coaches have said its helping.

Everyone wants the best talent with the highest ceiling but the same guys lack the patience to let it develop. You can look back at a lot of great players who had to take their lumps in the first couple of years. The talent and ceiling remain high here.

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4/10/2018  9:51 AM
Most impressive moment? The block on 6-8 Korver!!! Not often we see guys bet blocked from the parimeter!!!
Frank with his reach can switch off and guard 3's and 4's. As he gets thicker he'll be stronger to hold ground.
His play was a thing of beauty. He does not need hyper speed because he will learn to create space with his reach.
That was a well rounded performance last nite! Rookies are inconsistant and his play is no different. Few put up defensive highlights. Ours does.
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4/10/2018  9:56 AM
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https://dailyknicks.com/2018/04/05/new-york-knicks-jeff-hornacek-frank-ntilikina-work-ethic/

I was impressed to learn Frank added 8lbs over the season with all the strength training and his coaches have said its helping.

Everyone wants the best talent with the highest ceiling but the same guys lack the patience to let it develop. You can look back at a lot of great players who had to take their lumps in the first couple of years. The talent and ceiling remain high here.

Yes frank made some nice improvements physically and mentally, it’s a big move for a kid from France to go far from home, learn a new system, a new culture, a new league. His defense is top notch and only going to get better, he has great court vision again only going to get better. His offense is coming along nicely, I expect big things from frank in year two.

This kid is the guard version of k Leonard, he’s going to be a stud. It’s exciting

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4/10/2018  10:01 AM
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https://dailyknicks.com/2018/04/05/new-york-knicks-jeff-hornacek-frank-ntilikina-work-ethic/

I was impressed to learn Frank added 8lbs over the season with all the strength training and his coaches have said its helping.

Everyone wants the best talent with the highest ceiling but the same guys lack the patience to let it develop. You can look back at a lot of great players who had to take their lumps in the first couple of years. The talent and ceiling remain high here.

+1

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4/10/2018  10:03 AM
fitzfarm wrote:
fishmike wrote:

https://dailyknicks.com/2018/04/05/new-york-knicks-jeff-hornacek-frank-ntilikina-work-ethic/

I was impressed to learn Frank added 8lbs over the season with all the strength training and his coaches have said its helping.

Everyone wants the best talent with the highest ceiling but the same guys lack the patience to let it develop. You can look back at a lot of great players who had to take their lumps in the first couple of years. The talent and ceiling remain high here.

Yes frank made some nice improvements physically and mentally, it’s a big move for a kid from France to go far from home, learn a new system, a new culture, a new league. His defense is top notch and only going to get better, he has great court vision again only going to get better. His offense is coming along nicely, I expect big things from frank in year two.

This kid is the guard version of k Leonard, he’s going to be a stud. It’s exciting

Im keeping my expectations down a bit but my expectations/Hope is over a 4 year cycle. I'll judge this kid at age 22. That will be his 4th year!!!!
These young guys are always tough to gauge, some do great, some not, some never, some fade. Brandon Jennings rookie year had us all pissed off! He faded.
Steve Francis was unstoppable then he fell fast!
With KP I took a long view.
Its why im very forgiving with the kids.

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4/10/2018  10:42 AM
Just watched the highlights. Frank had a very nice game, shooting 50% from the field and he managed to pace his energy over 40 minutes without looking totally beat at the end. AND... he even dunked!

I'm still not sure what to make of him. I'd say he easily has the floor of rich man's Andre Roberson if he sticks at a wing position; or a rich man's version of Shaun Livingston if he stays at PG - or alternatively, what Livingston might have turned into had he not torn up his knee.

What's his upside? Still TBD. He's dramatically beefier than when he joined the team. Some of the pre-draft scouting reports questioned his athleticism and handle, but it does appear that with the Knicks trainers, he's making measurable gains in his explosiveness and power. He's gotta learn how to harness this new-found athleticism and balance.

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4/10/2018  11:16 AM
Wondering if Frank now moving more towards a longer term comparison to say Rolando Blackman (Dallas).

Blackmon 6'6" gangly armed sharp shooter who was an outstanding defender.

As Frank matures and fills out I think he moves off the ball more (like last half of this year) and he is already at 19 showing a smooth (if inconsistent) stroke and finding spots/shots in various places on the floor.

Maybe in 2 years we have 21/22 year old matured full-blown 2-guard knock-down shooter who can also dish the rock and defend.

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4/10/2018  11:29 AM
technomaster wrote:Just watched the highlights. Frank had a very nice game, shooting 50% from the field and he managed to pace his energy over 40 minutes without looking totally beat at the end. AND... he even dunked!

I'm still not sure what to make of him. I'd say he easily has the floor of rich man's Andre Roberson if he sticks at a wing position; or a rich man's version of Shaun Livingston if he stays at PG - or alternatively, what Livingston might have turned into had he not torn up his knee.

What's his upside? Still TBD. He's dramatically beefier than when he joined the team. Some of the pre-draft scouting reports questioned his athleticism and handle, but it does appear that with the Knicks trainers, he's making measurable gains in his explosiveness and power. He's gotta learn how to harness this new-found athleticism and balance.


I have heard the Andre Roberson comparison but others here and I dont see that at all. Roberson cant shoot. He never has been able to. He's a pure defensive specialist with very few other skills. That has worked well on a team where he never gets to touch the ball, but Roberson has never shown PG skills. Frank most certainly has.

Things this doesnt change about Frank's 2018 season:
1) Frank was bad offensively
2) Frank was physically underdeveloped by NBA standards
3) Frank's shooting was below average

However some here has said Frank has zero offensive game and that has never been the case. Having skills and not being ready is not the same as not having the skills. Nobody ever mistook Andre Roberson for a PG prospect. Frank may always be a pass first player over a scorer. I am not sure why that would be bad or seen as a fault.

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