CrushAlot wrote:

martin wrote:But that DSJr dunk was nice towards the end of the game. Dunked it quite hard and without any defenders around him.

Thought the defense that he played where he got the tip that led to the wide open dunk looked good as well.

Right now Smith is one of the worst defensive players in the league.

Knixkik wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

martin wrote:But that DSJr dunk was nice towards the end of the game. Dunked it quite hard and without any defenders around him.

Thought the defense that he played where he got the tip that led to the wide open dunk looked good as well.

Right now Smith is one of the worst defensive players in the league.

meloshouldgo wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

blkexec wrote:Well....I guess Frank will always have somebody pushing him....DSJ

I hope Frank spends a good amount of time this summer going against legit NBA talent because his progress has not been what you would expect with consistent minutes, and a very patient coach. Even at 19 IMO.

And where does Dennis smith Jr rate on this chart?

CrushAlot wrote:

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I saw that, and its impressive. Frank's D has been very good since the jump. What Im talking about is the difference between a future starter, and a defensive specialist off the bench. Dont believe its unduly harsh to say that Frank's improvement as a scorer has been underwhelming. Definitely needs to come back with a chip on his shoulder if he wants to start down the road.

You define "starter" by scoring? In this day and age, still can't get over your 15 ppg? And here I thought Gustav Mahler was famous for breaking out of the traditional mold of Austrian - German composers. You can do better than fixate on scoring

Judging by the way you have taken offense to a very mild remark about Frank's progress on offense this season. Right after I complimented his defense. I would have guessed that Justin Bieber was more your speed.

That is considering how you are all hot and bothered about someone suggesting the idea that Frank needs to work on being more of a scorer. Damn that Derek Harper for spending his entire interview saying the exact same thing.

Asking questions is being hot and bothered? Are you sure I am the one that's overreacting here? I was actually complimenting you on your screen name albiet in a backhanded way. I don't know about Justin Beiber, but I am clearly not your speed.

POGS

You made your response entirely about me, not Frank. That is the definition of hot and bothered.

I merely asked why you were focused on scoring as the basis of determining whether he was a starter or not. That was about it. You seem to be carrying baggage that had nothing to do with this exchange. Your privilege

Thats cute. You ask me a question, I respectfully answer, and your response consisted of a "backhanded" comment (your description) about my screename. Nothing else.

Why saying something about Frank's game (which HOF PGs have echoed), gets you all pissy? I dont know. Thats on you, not me.

meloshouldgo wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

blkexec wrote:Well....I guess Frank will always have somebody pushing him....DSJ

I hope Frank spends a good amount of time this summer going against legit NBA talent because his progress has not been what you would expect with consistent minutes, and a very patient coach. Even at 19 IMO.

And where does Dennis smith Jr rate on this chart?

CrushAlot wrote:

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https://twitter.com/NBA_Math/status/973219715463176192

I saw that, and its impressive. Frank's D has been very good since the jump. What Im talking about is the difference between a future starter, and a defensive specialist off the bench. Dont believe its unduly harsh to say that Frank's improvement as a scorer has been underwhelming. Definitely needs to come back with a chip on his shoulder if he wants to start down the road.

You define "starter" by scoring? In this day and age, still can't get over your 15 ppg? And here I thought Gustav Mahler was famous for breaking out of the traditional mold of Austrian - German composers. You can do better than fixate on scoring

Judging by the way you have taken offense to a very mild remark about Frank's progress on offense this season. Right after I complimented his defense. I would have guessed that Justin Bieber was more your speed.

That is considering how you are all hot and bothered about someone suggesting the idea that Frank needs to work on being more of a scorer. Damn that Derek Harper for spending his entire interview saying the exact same thing.

Asking questions is being hot and bothered? Are you sure I am the one that's overreacting here? I was actually complimenting you on your screen name albiet in a backhanded way. I don't know about Justin Beiber, but I am clearly not your speed.

POGS

You made your response entirely about me, not Frank. That is the definition of hot and bothered.

I merely asked why you were focused on scoring as the basis of determining whether he was a starter or not. That was about it. You seem to be carrying baggage that had nothing to do with this exchange. Your privilege

Thats cute. You ask me a question, I respectfully answer, and your response consisted of a "backhanded" comment (your description) about my screename. Nothing else.

Why saying something about Frank's game (which HOF PGs have echoed), gets you all pissy? I dont know. Thats on you, not me.

I have already said it twice - I wasn't pissy. I was trying to understand why you focus only on scoring when passing judgment on this kid. Clearly you are more interested being defensive than discussing Frank. Yes it was backhanded compliment - it was me making fun of you. That's not being hot and bothered, though you can't seem to comprehend the difference.

Trying to understand what HOFers, coaches, scouts, veteran teammates like Jack, have gone on record as to what Frank needs to focus on most? Cmon man.

Look at Martin's response upthread. Didnt exactly compliment my thought process (big meanie) but he followed it up with a detailed counter argument about Frank's game. Can YOU see the difference?

meloshouldgo wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

blkexec wrote:Well....I guess Frank will always have somebody pushing him....DSJ

I hope Frank spends a good amount of time this summer going against legit NBA talent because his progress has not been what you would expect with consistent minutes, and a very patient coach. Even at 19 IMO.

And where does Dennis smith Jr rate on this chart?

CrushAlot wrote:

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/NBA_Math/status/973219715463176192

I saw that, and its impressive. Frank's D has been very good since the jump. What Im talking about is the difference between a future starter, and a defensive specialist off the bench. Dont believe its unduly harsh to say that Frank's improvement as a scorer has been underwhelming. Definitely needs to come back with a chip on his shoulder if he wants to start down the road.

You define "starter" by scoring? In this day and age, still can't get over your 15 ppg? And here I thought Gustav Mahler was famous for breaking out of the traditional mold of Austrian - German composers. You can do better than fixate on scoring

Judging by the way you have taken offense to a very mild remark about Frank's progress on offense this season. Right after I complimented his defense. I would have guessed that Justin Bieber was more your speed.

That is considering how you are all hot and bothered about someone suggesting the idea that Frank needs to work on being more of a scorer. Damn that Derek Harper for spending his entire interview saying the exact same thing.

Asking questions is being hot and bothered? Are you sure I am the one that's overreacting here? I was actually complimenting you on your screen name albiet in a backhanded way. I don't know about Justin Beiber, but I am clearly not your speed.

POGS

You made your response entirely about me, not Frank. That is the definition of hot and bothered.

I merely asked why you were focused on scoring as the basis of determining whether he was a starter or not. That was about it. You seem to be carrying baggage that had nothing to do with this exchange. Your privilege

Thats cute. You ask me a question, I respectfully answer, and your response consisted of a "backhanded" comment (your description) about my screename. Nothing else.

Why saying something about Frank's game (which HOF PGs have echoed), gets you all pissy? I dont know. Thats on you, not me.

I have already said it twice - I wasn't pissy. I was trying to understand why you focus only on scoring when passing judgment on this kid. Clearly you are more interested being defensive than discussing Frank. Yes it was backhanded compliment - it was me making fun of you. That's not being hot and bothered, though you can't seem to comprehend the difference.

Trying to understand what HOFers, coaches, scouts, veteran teammates like Jack, have gone on record as to what Frank needs to focus on most? Cmon man.

Look at Martin's response upthread. Didnt exactly compliment my thought process (big meanie) but he followed it up with a detailed counter argument about Frank's game. Can YOU see the difference?

Yes, in his case you offered up a thought process. In my case you just went off. Trying to understand why HOFers and coaches and players etc. would have any relevance to what I asked you. I DIDN"T ask you what areas he needs to focus on. I asked why is scoring the only criteria for judging if a player can be a starter?

Right, the word you used I believe was "fixate". If Im "fixating" so are the HOFers, the coaches, the scouts, the veteran players as well. They all said that is what Frank needs to do to get to the next level. Be more of a scorer. Thats how starters play in tbis league. Never heard any of them say that Frank was good enough to start. Thats why.

One last time, bring something more to the table than my motivation for wanting Frank to play like a starter.

Cartman718 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

blkexec wrote:Well....I guess Frank will always have somebody pushing him....DSJ

I hope Frank spends a good amount of time this summer going against legit NBA talent because his progress has not been what you would expect with consistent minutes, and a very patient coach. Even at 19 IMO.

And where does Dennis smith Jr rate on this chart?

CrushAlot wrote:

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/NBA_Math/status/973219715463176192

I saw that, and its impressive. Frank's D has been very good since the jump. What Im talking about is the difference between a future starter, and a defensive specialist off the bench. Dont believe its unduly harsh to say that Frank's improvement as a scorer has been underwhelming. Definitely needs to come back with a chip on his shoulder if he wants to start down the road.

You define "starter" by scoring? In this day and age, still can't get over your 15 ppg? And here I thought Gustav Mahler was famous for breaking out of the traditional mold of Austrian - German composers. You can do better than fixate on scoring

Judging by the way you have taken offense to a very mild remark about Frank's progress on offense this season. Right after I complimented his defense. I would have guessed that Justin Bieber was more your speed.

That is considering how you are all hot and bothered about someone suggesting the idea that Frank needs to work on being more of a scorer. Damn that Derek Harper for spending his entire interview saying the exact same thing.

Asking questions is being hot and bothered? Are you sure I am the one that's overreacting here? I was actually complimenting you on your screen name albiet in a backhanded way. I don't know about Justin Beiber, but I am clearly not your speed.

POGS

You made your response entirely about me, not Frank. That is the definition of hot and bothered.

I merely asked why you were focused on scoring as the basis of determining whether he was a starter or not. That was about it. You seem to be carrying baggage that had nothing to do with this exchange. Your privilege

Thats cute. You ask me a question, I respectfully answer, and your response consisted of a "backhanded" comment (your description) about my screename. Nothing else.

Why saying something about Frank's game (which HOF PGs have echoed), gets you all pissy? I dont know. Thats on you, not me.

I have already said it twice - I wasn't pissy. I was trying to understand why you focus only on scoring when passing judgment on this kid. Clearly you are more interested being defensive than discussing Frank. Yes it was backhanded compliment - it was me making fun of you. That's not being hot and bothered, though you can't seem to comprehend the difference.

Trying to understand what HOFers, coaches, scouts, veteran teammates like Jack, have gone on record as to what Frank needs to focus on most? Cmon man.

Look at Martin's response upthread. Didnt exactly compliment my thought process (big meanie) but he followed it up with a detailed counter argument about Frank's game. Can YOU see the difference?

Yes, in his case you offered up a thought process. In my case you just went off. Trying to understand why HOFers and coaches and players etc. would have any relevance to what I asked you. I DIDN"T ask you what areas he needs to focus on. I asked why is scoring the only criteria for judging if a player can be a starter?

Right, the word you used I believe was "fixate". If Im "fixating" so are the HOFers, the coaches, the scouts, the veteran players as well. They all said that is what Frank needs to do to get to the next level. Be more of a scorer. Thats how starters play in tbis league. Never heard any of them say that Frank was good enough to start. Thats why.

One last time, bring something more to the table than my motivation for wanting Frank to play like a starter.

how about stop fixating on this thread and move on :) lol

Sorry Susan, forgot how this Frank talk upsets you.

Cartman718 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Cartman718 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

blkexec wrote:Well....I guess Frank will always have somebody pushing him....DSJ

I hope Frank spends a good amount of time this summer going against legit NBA talent because his progress has not been what you would expect with consistent minutes, and a very patient coach. Even at 19 IMO.

And where does Dennis smith Jr rate on this chart?

CrushAlot wrote:

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/NBA_Math/status/973219715463176192

I saw that, and its impressive. Frank's D has been very good since the jump. What Im talking about is the difference between a future starter, and a defensive specialist off the bench. Dont believe its unduly harsh to say that Frank's improvement as a scorer has been underwhelming. Definitely needs to come back with a chip on his shoulder if he wants to start down the road.

You define "starter" by scoring? In this day and age, still can't get over your 15 ppg? And here I thought Gustav Mahler was famous for breaking out of the traditional mold of Austrian - German composers. You can do better than fixate on scoring

Judging by the way you have taken offense to a very mild remark about Frank's progress on offense this season. Right after I complimented his defense. I would have guessed that Justin Bieber was more your speed.

That is considering how you are all hot and bothered about someone suggesting the idea that Frank needs to work on being more of a scorer. Damn that Derek Harper for spending his entire interview saying the exact same thing.

Asking questions is being hot and bothered? Are you sure I am the one that's overreacting here? I was actually complimenting you on your screen name albiet in a backhanded way. I don't know about Justin Beiber, but I am clearly not your speed.

POGS

You made your response entirely about me, not Frank. That is the definition of hot and bothered.

I merely asked why you were focused on scoring as the basis of determining whether he was a starter or not. That was about it. You seem to be carrying baggage that had nothing to do with this exchange. Your privilege

Thats cute. You ask me a question, I respectfully answer, and your response consisted of a "backhanded" comment (your description) about my screename. Nothing else.

Why saying something about Frank's game (which HOF PGs have echoed), gets you all pissy? I dont know. Thats on you, not me.

I have already said it twice - I wasn't pissy. I was trying to understand why you focus only on scoring when passing judgment on this kid. Clearly you are more interested being defensive than discussing Frank. Yes it was backhanded compliment - it was me making fun of you. That's not being hot and bothered, though you can't seem to comprehend the difference.

Trying to understand what HOFers, coaches, scouts, veteran teammates like Jack, have gone on record as to what Frank needs to focus on most? Cmon man.

Look at Martin's response upthread. Didnt exactly compliment my thought process (big meanie) but he followed it up with a detailed counter argument about Frank's game. Can YOU see the difference?

Yes, in his case you offered up a thought process. In my case you just went off. Trying to understand why HOFers and coaches and players etc. would have any relevance to what I asked you. I DIDN"T ask you what areas he needs to focus on. I asked why is scoring the only criteria for judging if a player can be a starter?

Right, the word you used I believe was "fixate". If Im "fixating" so are the HOFers, the coaches, the scouts, the veteran players as well. They all said that is what Frank needs to do to get to the next level. Be more of a scorer. Thats how starters play in tbis league. Never heard any of them say that Frank was good enough to start. Thats why.

One last time, bring something more to the table than my motivation for wanting Frank to play like a starter.

how about stop fixating on this thread and move on :) lol

Sorry Susan, forgot how this Frank talk upsets you.

Its not that Nancy or is it Debbie lol just like seeing posters get along a little bit more instead of worrying about attitudes and non-basketball stuff you know like the flowers coming out of knicks1248's mouth

Im talking basketball. Im talking about a rookie on this team who is supposed to be the PG of the future. Im talking about him without being derogatory or offensive. In a thread about him. Look at the pushback. Not that I would want to, but Im not spamming every thread, and using every choice word in tbe book to disparage Frank. When he plays well I say so. Anyone who has a problem with that is the problem,

fishmike wrote:most every aspect of Frank's offense has been abysmal at the NBA level.

When you talk about a young player or prospect "taking his lumps" you can look at Frank's rookie season

Yeah offense has been a big problem. I am not optimistic he will ever be a strong offensive player. However, i am optimistic he will be a strong rotation player simply because of his defense. If he just becomes a passable offensive player, he will be really good.

fishmike wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

fishmike wrote:most every aspect of Frank's offense has been abysmal at the NBA level.

When you talk about a young player or prospect "taking his lumps" you can look at Frank's rookie season

Yeah offense has been a big problem. I am not optimistic he will ever be a strong offensive player. However, i am optimistic he will be a strong rotation player simply because of his defense. If he just becomes a passable offensive player, he will be really good.

here is where we differ then... I think he becomes a very good offensive player.

His strong defense shows he has the length and quickness to play in the league. Right now he doesnt have the strength or anything close to it. He's 19 and has never lifted weights. His confidence on offense is shot. That is easy to see, but he keeps fighting and continues to play good defense which is why he's still up here. His confidence isnt taking a hit. Listen to him talk... he KNOWS he's got a lot to work on. Once we drafted him I watched pretty much every piece of video on him, including the live Strausberg game he flew back on a red-eye to make, even though he knew he was done there he left it all on the court. That game is probably what sold me more than anything... kid's a winner. His offense will come... its going to take some time, probably in line with the maturation of his body.

One thing, i do think he will become a good shooter. He has a smooth release. My concern is his lack of aggressive mentality, however it's not a knock because i am high on him overall has a prospect. I think he becomes a game-changer defensively and a solid enough offensive player to be a good starting guard. I just don't think he will be a strong offensive player, but probably fair or average.