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CrushAlot
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2/17/2018 7:46 PM
martin wrote:I have no idea how the topic came up. Frank's family is visiting. I am not going to make an assumption about what question was asked or the context. The only thing we have is the quote unless there is a link to the interview.CrushAlot wrote:martin wrote:It was based on his answer. I did not see the interview. There is an interview with Frank on msg's website but it doesn't have that quote. I would love to see the interview. But I am going by what he said. Are you suggesting that his answer was taken out of context? His plans for the summer could change but the words he is saying are not indicating that.CrushAlot wrote:Irish it was from a quote what Frank said. Maybe I wasn't clear in my post but I got the impression from Popper's article that Frank is homesick. 'Probably' followed by, "I will make sure I come back stronger and even better' sounds like Frank, not a news outlet, is saying he is going to go home but will still work on his game. I try to go with what I actually hear a guy say because I know things are taken out of context. I can't find this interview but from the quote, Probably go home but will work... is a guy saying his plan at this point is to go home. Let me ask both of you, if someone says they probably are going home and talk about what they are going to work on when they are home do you usually think that they aren't going home? I'm tired,I'm tired, I'm so tired right now......Kristaps Porzingis 1/3/18
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CrushAlot
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2/17/2018 7:50 PM
If I am trying to trick Frank into a sensational quote I would ask him why he thought the Knicks brought in Mudiay and Burke after drafting him last summer.
I'm tired,I'm tired, I'm so tired right now......Kristaps Porzingis 1/3/18
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martin
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2/17/2018 8:04 PM
CrushAlot wrote:martin wrote:I have no idea how the topic came up. Frank's family is visiting. I am not going to make an assumption about what question was asked or the context. The only thing we have is the quote unless there is a link to the interview.CrushAlot wrote:martin wrote:It was based on his answer. I did not see the interview. There is an interview with Frank on msg's website but it doesn't have that quote. I would love to see the interview. But I am going by what he said. Are you suggesting that his answer was taken out of context? His plans for the summer could change but the words he is saying are not indicating that.CrushAlot wrote:Irish it was from a quote what Frank said. Maybe I wasn't clear in my post but I got the impression from Popper's article that Frank is homesick. 'Probably' followed by, "I will make sure I come back stronger and even better' sounds like Frank, not a news outlet, is saying he is going to go home but will still work on his game. I try to go with what I actually hear a guy say because I know things are taken out of context. I can't find this interview but from the quote, Probably go home but will work... is a guy saying his plan at this point is to go home. Let me ask both of you, if someone says they probably are going home and talk about what they are going to work on when they are home do you usually think that they aren't going home? No, we have a lot more ammunition than just the quote. We have intuition and simple leaps of logic. Have you EVER heard of another rookie asked what he was going to do or what his plans are regarding the summer during the all-star break? Probably not, only in NY. Have you ever heard of a 19 year old asked a 1-off question where he says that "I will probably come back home, but I will take care of working on my game" and then saw an article whose title was "Knicks might not love Frank Ntilikina’s offseason plan"? Probably not, only in NY. Do we know what click-bait is? YES. A lot of it from Isola, Berman and the NY rags. Read into it what you will. Official sponsor of the PURE KNICKS LOVE Program
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CrushAlot
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2/17/2018 8:14 PM
martin wrote:I must be missing something. There is a quote where Frank said he probably is going home this summer and will work on getting stronger. Not the worst thing in the world. I don't think Willy, Kuz or Sasha stuck around last year. We know KP didn't and unlike the previous year, no Knick coach worked with him.CrushAlot wrote:martin wrote:I have no idea how the topic came up. Frank's family is visiting. I am not going to make an assumption about what question was asked or the context. The only thing we have is the quote unless there is a link to the interview.CrushAlot wrote:martin wrote:It was based on his answer. I did not see the interview. There is an interview with Frank on msg's website but it doesn't have that quote. I would love to see the interview. But I am going by what he said. Are you suggesting that his answer was taken out of context? His plans for the summer could change but the words he is saying are not indicating that.CrushAlot wrote:Irish it was from a quote what Frank said. Maybe I wasn't clear in my post but I got the impression from Popper's article that Frank is homesick. 'Probably' followed by, "I will make sure I come back stronger and even better' sounds like Frank, not a news outlet, is saying he is going to go home but will still work on his game. I try to go with what I actually hear a guy say because I know things are taken out of context. I can't find this interview but from the quote, Probably go home but will work... is a guy saying his plan at this point is to go home. Let me ask both of you, if someone says they probably are going home and talk about what they are going to work on when they are home do you usually think that they aren't going home? The NY media is brutal. Berman, Bondy, Isola etc. do exactly what you describe but not a lot that is super sensational in this quote and it is from a quote. A 19 year old kid from another country wanting to go home seems normal especially when his family is visiting. I don't think this is deviousness by the media. I don't think FRank got tricked into saying something he didn't mean. If you believe those things then we disagree. I have a hard time seeing how you would come to that conclusion though in this situation. I'm tired,I'm tired, I'm so tired right now......Kristaps Porzingis 1/3/18
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martin
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2/17/2018 8:23 PM
CrushAlot wrote:martin wrote:I must be missing something. There is a quote where Frank said he probably is going home this summer and will work on getting stronger. Not the worst thing in the world. I don't think Willy, Kuz or Sasha stuck around last year. We know KP didn't and unlike the previous year, no Knick coach worked with him.CrushAlot wrote:martin wrote:I have no idea how the topic came up. Frank's family is visiting. I am not going to make an assumption about what question was asked or the context. The only thing we have is the quote unless there is a link to the interview.CrushAlot wrote:martin wrote:It was based on his answer. I did not see the interview. There is an interview with Frank on msg's website but it doesn't have that quote. I would love to see the interview. But I am going by what he said. Are you suggesting that his answer was taken out of context? His plans for the summer could change but the words he is saying are not indicating that.CrushAlot wrote:Irish it was from a quote what Frank said. Maybe I wasn't clear in my post but I got the impression from Popper's article that Frank is homesick. 'Probably' followed by, "I will make sure I come back stronger and even better' sounds like Frank, not a news outlet, is saying he is going to go home but will still work on his game. I try to go with what I actually hear a guy say because I know things are taken out of context. I can't find this interview but from the quote, Probably go home but will work... is a guy saying his plan at this point is to go home. Let me ask both of you, if someone says they probably are going home and talk about what they are going to work on when they are home do you usually think that they aren't going home? ... and yet: CrushAlot wrote:I am disappointed that he is not going to be in NY for the summer. It sounds like he is pretty homesick in the Popper article. He may need to go home and be with family. I don't think he will benefit as much as he would if he stayed in NY and worked on his game. You are already disappointed in Frank. You are disappointed because you don't think he will be in NY during the summer. I can't understand why you would be disappointed given my above. On a "probably is going home this summer" statement. You took an offhand comment, asked by an offhand question, replied with a Probably and were disappointed with Frank. Official sponsor of the PURE KNICKS LOVE Program
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CrushAlot
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2/17/2018 9:36 PM
martin wrote:I didn't realize it was such a sensitive topic for you.CrushAlot wrote:martin wrote:I must be missing something. There is a quote where Frank said he probably is going home this summer and will work on getting stronger. Not the worst thing in the world. I don't think Willy, Kuz or Sasha stuck around last year. We know KP didn't and unlike the previous year, no Knick coach worked with him.CrushAlot wrote:martin wrote:I have no idea how the topic came up. Frank's family is visiting. I am not going to make an assumption about what question was asked or the context. The only thing we have is the quote unless there is a link to the interview.CrushAlot wrote:martin wrote:It was based on his answer. I did not see the interview. There is an interview with Frank on msg's website but it doesn't have that quote. I would love to see the interview. But I am going by what he said. Are you suggesting that his answer was taken out of context? His plans for the summer could change but the words he is saying are not indicating that.CrushAlot wrote:Irish it was from a quote what Frank said. Maybe I wasn't clear in my post but I got the impression from Popper's article that Frank is homesick. 'Probably' followed by, "I will make sure I come back stronger and even better' sounds like Frank, not a news outlet, is saying he is going to go home but will still work on his game. I try to go with what I actually hear a guy say because I know things are taken out of context. I can't find this interview but from the quote, Probably go home but will work... is a guy saying his plan at this point is to go home. Let me ask both of you, if someone says they probably are going home and talk about what they are going to work on when they are home do you usually think that they aren't going home? I'm tired,I'm tired, I'm so tired right now......Kristaps Porzingis 1/3/18
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StarksEwing1
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2/17/2018 10:15 PM
meloshouldgo wrote:This thread is typical of what I have come to expect from some of the posters here. Take every opportunity to dump on a player and then respond with surprise and comments like "I think there isn't a single Knicks fan that doesn't want the best for Frank". Well it's simple, if you want the best for the kid, STFU and support him when he needs it the most. This constant whining and bitching about straight up extrapolation of half assed media reports is why players never even have a shot of growing to their potential on NY. BTW Starksewing1 completely nailed it.agreed and thanks for the kind words. Look its fine to point out franks weaknesses and what he needs to work on but the kid has also shown some good flashes and has a good mindset which is a good sign for the future |
OldFan
Posts: 21453 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 7/24/2003 Member: #446 |
2/17/2018 10:57 PM
I have three differences of opinion with many of the posters on this thread:
- The comparison to the players who have the best stats in this draft class, while ignoring all the other rookies that are struggling. - The philosophy that it's an offensive league so defense is not important and ignoring defense when making comparisons. - The idea that we should have drafted the most ready players and we shouldn't give allowances because Frank is 19. Frank is hardly the only 1st round draft pick not putting up big stats. Even if Franks defense is NBA average that makes him well above average for a rookie. If offense if important than "stopping" offense is important. Just like when the NFL made rules to open up the passing game it made cornerbacks and pass rushers more important. The fact that the NBA is full of guys who can hit the three and get into the lane makes guys who can slow those guys down more important. And yes it matters that he is 19. It doesn't mean he can't be judged it just means he should be judged on a different curve than older players. Most athletes are better at 20, 21, 22 than they are at 19. As far as picking an NBA ready player - The Knicks aren't ready - there was no reason to focus on the most NBA ready player. |
knicks1248
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2/17/2018 11:16 PM
martin wrote:CrushAlot wrote:martin wrote:I must be missing something. There is a quote where Frank said he probably is going home this summer and will work on getting stronger. Not the worst thing in the world. I don't think Willy, Kuz or Sasha stuck around last year. We know KP didn't and unlike the previous year, no Knick coach worked with him.CrushAlot wrote:martin wrote:I have no idea how the topic came up. Frank's family is visiting. I am not going to make an assumption about what question was asked or the context. The only thing we have is the quote unless there is a link to the interview.CrushAlot wrote:martin wrote:It was based on his answer. I did not see the interview. There is an interview with Frank on msg's website but it doesn't have that quote. I would love to see the interview. But I am going by what he said. Are you suggesting that his answer was taken out of context? His plans for the summer could change but the words he is saying are not indicating that.CrushAlot wrote:Irish it was from a quote what Frank said. Maybe I wasn't clear in my post but I got the impression from Popper's article that Frank is homesick. 'Probably' followed by, "I will make sure I come back stronger and even better' sounds like Frank, not a news outlet, is saying he is going to go home but will still work on his game. I try to go with what I actually hear a guy say because I know things are taken out of context. I can't find this interview but from the quote, Probably go home but will work... is a guy saying his plan at this point is to go home. Let me ask both of you, if someone says they probably are going home and talk about what they are going to work on when they are home do you usually think that they aren't going home? I think there will be a new president and coaching staff this off season ES
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Jmpasq
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2/18/2018 7:27 AM
meloshouldgo wrote:This thread is typical of what I have come to expect from some of the posters here. Take every opportunity to dump on a player and then respond with surprise and comments like "I think there isn't a single Knicks fan that doesn't want the best for Frank". Well it's simple, if you want the best for the kid, STFU and support him when he needs it the most. This constant whining and bitching about straight up extrapolation of half assed media reports is why players never even have a shot of growing to their potential on NY. BTW Starksewing1 completely nailed it. Says the guy who posts under the name Meloshouldgo Check out My NFL Draft Prospect Videos at Youtube User Pages Jmpasq,JPdraftjedi,Jmpasqdraftjedi. www.Draftbreakdown.com
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GustavBahler
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2/18/2018 9:17 AM
An 8th pick who often plays like a second rounder, regardless of his age, is going to hear it from fans.Still, no one expects a fully formed NBA player at 19.
Did expect to see Frank make more of a case to be a future starter by this point, given that his minutes have been consistent. Still about half a season left. Frank can show the Knicks they made the right call if he plays his role. Dont believe anyone can make a case that Frank does understand his role as a PG until he expands his game beyond that of a complimentary player. |
HofstraBBall
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2/18/2018 9:29 AM LAST EDITED: 2/18/2018 9:34 AM
StarksEwing1 wrote:martin wrote:Exactly. You cant take what news outlets say as gospel. KP went home last year but still worked on his game just like Frank will do. Im starting to feel like some have an agenda against this kidCrushAlot wrote:martin wrote:I am disappointed that he is not going to be in NY for the summer. It sounds like he is pretty homesick in the Popper article. He may need to go home and be with family. I don't think he will benefit as much as he would if he stayed in NY and worked on his game.knicks1248 wrote:this is even more disturbing Agree this is just the media looking for a story. Don't see every player at the All Star weekend being asked what they are doing for the summer. Let alone making a story about it. Regardless of where people feel the kid is at right now, they should just be looking for the kid to continue working on his game. No matter where he is. I am sure that he will want to have some time, in US, playing against top competition. As he did last year. 'Knicks focus should be on players that have grown up playing soccer or cricket' - Triplethreat 8/28/2020
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