[ IMAGES: Images ON turn off | ACCOUNT: User Status is LOCKED why? ]

Article focusing in on the Willy trade/Not all Second Round Picks are Alike
Author Thread
CrushAlot
Posts: 57073
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 7/25/2003
Member: #452
USA
2/12/2018  5:37 PM
Armed with the knowledge all second-rounders are not equal, some of the trades made before and around the NBA trade deadline might now look different. For example, the Charlotte Hornets gave up their 2020 and 2021 second-rounders plus Johnny O’Bryant’s salary for Willy Hernangomez on deadline day. It was a bad move.

Hernangomez was pretty good in his rookie year, but he (and Hornets star guard Kemba Walker) will both hit unrestricted free agency before those picks are set to convey. Even with Kemba around, Charlotte’s pick this year is No. 40, very close to that 31-39 range which has yielded so many productive, cost-controlled players.

Without Walker, Charlotte will be terrible. Those picks could both end up coming in the 30s, representing two vital assets the Hornets could use either in a rebuild or in a re-tooling around their core. For those potential valuable future assets, Charlotte acquired a center who will be fighting Dwight Howard, Cody Zeller and Frank Kaminsky for minutes.

It’s a bad deal, plain and simple. This is not new to the Hornets, who also traded their 2018 second-rounder (No. 37), plus the Brooklyn Nets’ second-rounder in 2019, as part of a deal to get Courtney Lee, who is no longer on their roster. In two deals, Charlotte gave up four picks likely to all fall within the 31-40 range. Bad teams often stay bad for a reason.


https://fansided.com/2018/02/12/nba-trade-deadline-second-round-picks-valuable/
The first part of the article puts second round picks into value tiers etc.
You playTrey Burke... Wally Szcerbiak
AUTOADVERT
EnySpree
Posts: 44733
Alba Posts: 138
Joined: 4/18/2003
Member: #397

2/12/2018  5:41 PM
But that can't be right because the Knicks are supposed to be stupid for trading Willy for nothing
You know why I'm here....
GustavBahler
Posts: 34709
Alba Posts: 15
Joined: 7/12/2010
Member: #3186

2/12/2018  6:13 PM
Wait until they see his D, lol.
knicks1248
Posts: 37668
Alba Posts: 1
Joined: 2/3/2004
Member: #582
2/12/2018  6:25 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
Armed with the knowledge all second-rounders are not equal, some of the trades made before and around the NBA trade deadline might now look different. For example, the Charlotte Hornets gave up their 2020 and 2021 second-rounders plus Johnny O’Bryant’s salary for Willy Hernangomez on deadline day. It was a bad move.

Hernangomez was pretty good in his rookie year, but he (and Hornets star guard Kemba Walker) will both hit unrestricted free agency before those picks are set to convey. Even with Kemba around, Charlotte’s pick this year is No. 40, very close to that 31-39 range which has yielded so many productive, cost-controlled players.

Without Walker, Charlotte will be terrible. Those picks could both end up coming in the 30s, representing two vital assets the Hornets could use either in a rebuild or in a re-tooling around their core. For those potential valuable future assets, Charlotte acquired a center who will be fighting Dwight Howard, Cody Zeller and Frank Kaminsky for minutes.

It’s a bad deal, plain and simple. This is not new to the Hornets, who also traded their 2018 second-rounder (No. 37), plus the Brooklyn Nets’ second-rounder in 2019, as part of a deal to get Courtney Lee, who is no longer on their roster. In two deals, Charlotte gave up four picks likely to all fall within the 31-40 range. Bad teams often stay bad for a reason.


https://fansided.com/2018/02/12/nba-trade-deadline-second-round-picks-valuable/
The first part of the article puts second round picks into value tiers etc.

Had the knicks traded him a little after acquiring Kantar, his value would have been a little higher. By the time they did, he had become non existent in the rotation, his defense had been really exposed, and he was requesting a trade.

ES
CrushAlot
Posts: 57073
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 7/25/2003
Member: #452
USA
2/12/2018  6:29 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/12/2018  6:31 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
Armed with the knowledge all second-rounders are not equal, some of the trades made before and around the NBA trade deadline might now look different. For example, the Charlotte Hornets gave up their 2020 and 2021 second-rounders plus Johnny O’Bryant’s salary for Willy Hernangomez on deadline day. It was a bad move.

Hernangomez was pretty good in his rookie year, but he (and Hornets star guard Kemba Walker) will both hit unrestricted free agency before those picks are set to convey. Even with Kemba around, Charlotte’s pick this year is No. 40, very close to that 31-39 range which has yielded so many productive, cost-controlled players.

Without Walker, Charlotte will be terrible. Those picks could both end up coming in the 30s, representing two vital assets the Hornets could use either in a rebuild or in a re-tooling around their core. For those potential valuable future assets, Charlotte acquired a center who will be fighting Dwight Howard, Cody Zeller and Frank Kaminsky for minutes.

It’s a bad deal, plain and simple. This is not new to the Hornets, who also traded their 2018 second-rounder (No. 37), plus the Brooklyn Nets’ second-rounder in 2019, as part of a deal to get Courtney Lee, who is no longer on their roster. In two deals, Charlotte gave up four picks likely to all fall within the 31-40 range. Bad teams often stay bad for a reason.


https://fansided.com/2018/02/12/nba-trade-deadline-second-round-picks-valuable/
The first part of the article puts second round picks into value tiers etc.

Had the knicks traded him a little after acquiring Kantar, his value would have been a little higher. By the time they did, he had become non existent in the rotation, his defense had been really exposed, and he was requesting a trade.

I think they were hoping he had worked on his game over the summer and that he would come in and minimally beat out O'Quinn. Also, the relationship between the Knicks and KP was not good going into training camp. Trading Willy at that point could have made things worse.
You playTrey Burke... Wally Szcerbiak
GustavBahler
Posts: 34709
Alba Posts: 15
Joined: 7/12/2010
Member: #3186

2/12/2018  6:33 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
Armed with the knowledge all second-rounders are not equal, some of the trades made before and around the NBA trade deadline might now look different. For example, the Charlotte Hornets gave up their 2020 and 2021 second-rounders plus Johnny O’Bryant’s salary for Willy Hernangomez on deadline day. It was a bad move.

Hernangomez was pretty good in his rookie year, but he (and Hornets star guard Kemba Walker) will both hit unrestricted free agency before those picks are set to convey. Even with Kemba around, Charlotte’s pick this year is No. 40, very close to that 31-39 range which has yielded so many productive, cost-controlled players.

Without Walker, Charlotte will be terrible. Those picks could both end up coming in the 30s, representing two vital assets the Hornets could use either in a rebuild or in a re-tooling around their core. For those potential valuable future assets, Charlotte acquired a center who will be fighting Dwight Howard, Cody Zeller and Frank Kaminsky for minutes.

It’s a bad deal, plain and simple. This is not new to the Hornets, who also traded their 2018 second-rounder (No. 37), plus the Brooklyn Nets’ second-rounder in 2019, as part of a deal to get Courtney Lee, who is no longer on their roster. In two deals, Charlotte gave up four picks likely to all fall within the 31-40 range. Bad teams often stay bad for a reason.


https://fansided.com/2018/02/12/nba-trade-deadline-second-round-picks-valuable/
The first part of the article puts second round picks into value tiers etc.

Had the knicks traded him a little after acquiring Kantar, his value would have been a little higher. By the time they did, he had become non existent in the rotation, his defense had been really exposed, and he was requesting a trade.

I think they were hoping he had worked on his game over the summer and that he would come in and minimally beat out O'Quinn. Also, the relationship between the Knicks and KP was not good going into training camp. Trading Willy at that point could have made things worse.

Good call

nixluva
Posts: 56229
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 10/5/2004
Member: #758
USA
2/12/2018  6:37 PM
It could be claimed not playing Willy kept the luster of how he performed in Europe last summer fresher in the minds of GM’s. In the end the Knicks moved him for a reasonable return.
EnySpree
Posts: 44733
Alba Posts: 138
Joined: 4/18/2003
Member: #397

2/12/2018  6:49 PM
nixluva wrote:It could be claimed not playing Willy kept the luster of how he performed in Europe last summer fresher in the minds of GM’s. In the end the Knicks moved him for a reasonable return.

Do the gms have youtube?

You know why I'm here....
MaTT4281
Posts: 30853
Alba Posts: 4
Joined: 1/16/2004
Member: #538
USA
2/12/2018  7:48 PM
GustavBahler wrote:Wait until they see his D, lol.

Pause...

"I must break you." - Kristaps Porzingis to Rocky Balboa
knicks1248
Posts: 37668
Alba Posts: 1
Joined: 2/3/2004
Member: #582
2/12/2018  8:22 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
Armed with the knowledge all second-rounders are not equal, some of the trades made before and around the NBA trade deadline might now look different. For example, the Charlotte Hornets gave up their 2020 and 2021 second-rounders plus Johnny O’Bryant’s salary for Willy Hernangomez on deadline day. It was a bad move.

Hernangomez was pretty good in his rookie year, but he (and Hornets star guard Kemba Walker) will both hit unrestricted free agency before those picks are set to convey. Even with Kemba around, Charlotte’s pick this year is No. 40, very close to that 31-39 range which has yielded so many productive, cost-controlled players.

Without Walker, Charlotte will be terrible. Those picks could both end up coming in the 30s, representing two vital assets the Hornets could use either in a rebuild or in a re-tooling around their core. For those potential valuable future assets, Charlotte acquired a center who will be fighting Dwight Howard, Cody Zeller and Frank Kaminsky for minutes.

It’s a bad deal, plain and simple. This is not new to the Hornets, who also traded their 2018 second-rounder (No. 37), plus the Brooklyn Nets’ second-rounder in 2019, as part of a deal to get Courtney Lee, who is no longer on their roster. In two deals, Charlotte gave up four picks likely to all fall within the 31-40 range. Bad teams often stay bad for a reason.


https://fansided.com/2018/02/12/nba-trade-deadline-second-round-picks-valuable/
The first part of the article puts second round picks into value tiers etc.

Had the knicks traded him a little after acquiring Kantar, his value would have been a little higher. By the time they did, he had become non existent in the rotation, his defense had been really exposed, and he was requesting a trade.

I think they were hoping he had worked on his game over the summer and that he would come in and minimally beat out O'Quinn. Also, the relationship between the Knicks and KP was not good going into training camp. Trading Willy at that point could have made things worse.

Good point, I guess that's why phil said, one player can't be bigger than the franchise

ES
Article focusing in on the Willy trade/Not all Second Round Picks are Alike

©2001-2012 ultimateknicks.com All rights reserved. About Us.
This site is not affiliated with the NY Knicks or the National Basketball Association in any way.
You may visit the official NY Knicks web site by clicking here.

All times (GMT-05:00) Eastern Time.