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2018 NBA mock draft - Trae Young, Luka Doncic and the Brooklyn pick
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2018 NBA mock draft - Trae Young, Luka Doncic and the Brooklyn pick
by Jonathan Givony on 2018-01-13 21:22:00 UTC (original: http://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/22197560/2018-nba-mock-draft-trae-young-luka-doncic-brooklyn-pick)

Who's going No. 1, and how far has star Oklahoma guard Trae Young climbed? What prospect can the Cleveland Cavaliers -- or a potential trade partner -- land with the Brooklyn Nets pick?


We're nearly three months into the college basketball season, with the most important 10-week stretch now in front of us. The top teams are playing meaningful games against each other on a nightly basis now, which is helping us get a much better handle on who the best NBA prospects are and who might need to consider coming back for more seasoning.

Our mock draft differs in two crucial ways from our recently updated top-100 prospect rankings. It uses ESPN's BPI to project the draft order, and it's adjusted for NBA team needs accordingly. it also attempts to project which players will ultimately end up declaring and keeping their name in the draft.

With recruiting analysts widely describing the 2018 high school senior class as one of the weakest in memory, the 2019 draft is not projected to be particularly strong, nor deep, which may cause players currently in college to think long and hard about returning to school for another year.

The depth of the 2018 draft hasn't emerged at this stage either, as scouts say there is a significant drop-off in talent outside the lottery, and they are struggling to find 30 players worthy of being granted guaranteed contracts by being picked in the first round.

That will make the next 10 weeks all the more important, as the best way for under-the-radar prospects to emerge will always be by winning games and leading their teams on deep runs through postseason tournaments. With college basketball as wide open as we've seen in some time, there will likely be a significant amount of upheaval in our own rankings depending on how players finish off their seasons.

1. Sacramento Kings
Luka Doncic
Real Madrid
Age: 18.9
PG


Height: 6-foot-8 | Weight: 228 | PER: 27.5

Although the Kings have some interesting backcourt pieces, they still have a ways to go in terms of turning into a cohesive unit capable of winning games.

Doncic has the size, skill and versatility to fit in very well alongside all their young talent, and he would pair very well with an athletic shot-creator who can defend multiple positions in De'Aaron Fox. He's having a phenomenal season in Europe, posting historic numbers in the Euroleague and Spanish ACB for an 18-year-old.

Starting salary: $8,095,680

2. Atlanta Hawks
Deandre Ayton
Arizona
Freshman
C


Height: 7-foot | Weight: 243 | PER: 32.8

The Hawks are not in a position to draft based on need at this stage of their rebuilding effort, and there are question marks about how well promising big man John Collins fits in alongside another center who doesn't protect the rim at an elite rate.

Nevertheless, Ayton has elevated himself into the conversation as a top-two pick with his incredible, natural physical tools and high skill-level. His rebounding and scoring prowess could be very attractive here, even if Mohamed Bamba might actually be a better fit stylistically.

Starting salary: $7,243,440

3. Phoenix Suns
Mohamed Bamba
Texas
Freshman
C


Height: 7-foot | Weight: 207 | PER: 28.2

With Tyson Chandler on the wrong side of 30 and Alex Len entering unrestricted free agency, shoring up the center position looks like a natural move for the Suns here. It helps that they won't be sacrificing anything in terms of talent, as Bamba will likely get some looks in the top two as well due to his rare combination of length, shot-blocking instincts and offensive promise.

Bamba is starting to make 3-pointers more consistently (6-for-17 in his past 8 games), and his unicorn potential gives him arguably the highest upside of any player in this draft.

Starting salary: $6,504,600

4. Orlando Magic
Marvin Bagley III
Duke
Freshman
PF/C


Height: 6-foot-11 | Weight: 234 | PER: 32.7

Although there are some positional concerns regarding Bagley and his fit in the modern NBA, at some point, his talent level and sheer production are likely too great to pass on.

Although the Magic could very well be in the market for a point guard, there are still question marks about whether Trae Young is worthy of being picked this high. Bagley is likely best suited for the center spot, and his scoring instincts, rebounding prowess and athleticism would make for an interesting fit alongside Aaron Gordon and Jonathan Isaac.

Starting salary: $5,864,640

5. Chicago Bulls
Jaren Jackson
Michigan State
Freshman
PF/C


Height: 6-foot-11 | Weight: 242 | PER: 28.2

At 6-foot-11, 242 pounds with a 7-foot-4 wingspan, it's very likely that Jackson sees significant minutes at center in the NBA as his promising frame fills out, rather than at the 4 like he mostly does in college at the moment. Jackson's ability to space the floor (45 percent from 3, 81 percent from the line), block shots (5.7 per-40 minutes), switch on every screen and, increasingly, put the ball on the floor from the perimeter make him an ideal fit for the modern NBA.

He would complement the promising Lauri Markkanen well in many ways and has significant upside to grow into as well, as he's the youngest player currently projected to be drafted.

Starting salary: $5,310,720

6. Cleveland Cavaliers (via Nets)
Michael Porter Jr.
Missouri
Freshman
SF/PF


Height: 6-foot-10 | Weight: 214

With an uncertain future on the horizon due to LeBron James' free agency, the Cavs will need to stockpile as much talent as they can regardless of their hopes of keeping the King at home. Michael Porter came into the season with the hope of making a run at being the No. 1 pick in the draft, but unfortunately, he hasn't been able to build his case due to a back injury.

The results of his medical examination will play a significant role in where he ultimately is drafted, but NBA teams don't appear to be overly concerned right now about the nature of the injury and his long-term prognosis.

Starting salary: $4,823,520

Cleveland will receive Brooklyn's first-round pick unprotected.

7. Philadelphia 76ers (via Lakers)
Trae Young
Oklahoma
Freshman
PG


Height: 6-foot-2 | Weight: 176 | PER: 34.6

The Sixers are in line to draft in the top 10 due to the shrewd Michael Carter-Williams trade made by Sam Hinkie three years ago, as long as the pick doesn't fall between Nos. 2-5.

If this season has shown us anything, it's that Philadelphia is still in need of help with shot-creation and shot-making, despite the promising play of Ben Simmons at PG. Young's tremendous shooting prowess will allow him to play at different spots on the floor, even alongside Markelle Fultz.

Starting salary: $4,403,280

Philadelphia will receive L.A.'s pick if it lands at No. 1 or Nos. 6-30. Otherwise, the pick goes to Boston. BPI projects that Philly has a 78.1 percent chance of getting this pick, with a 5.0 percent chance that it ends up No. 1.

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8. Dallas Mavericks
Wendell Carter Jr.
Duke
Freshman
C


Height: 6-foot-10 | Weight: 263 | PER: 31.0

Carter's season got off to a slow start, but he has been Duke's best player as of late and is starting to recapture his status as a potential top-10 pick, which is where he started the season.

The Mavs could certainly use help in the frontcourt, and Carter's basketball IQ and versatility are promising in many ways.

Starting salary: $4,033,800

9. Memphis Grizzlies
Miles Bridges
Michigan State
Sophomore
SF/PF


Height: 6-foot-6 | Weight: 226 | PER: 25.8

With Chandler Parsons perpetually hurt and the Grizzlies continually struggling to find firepower at the combo forward position, it could make sense for Memphis to look at Miles Bridges, who is arguably the best athlete in this draft.

He has struggled to make the full-time transition to small forward at times for Michigan State, but he undoubtedly has potential as a two-way forward who can guard all over the floor and give you enough shooting, ballhandling and passing to get by at one of the most important positions in today's NBA.

Starting salary: $3,708,120

10. New York Knicks
Collin Sexton
Alabama
Freshman
PG


Height: 6-foot-2 | Weight: 183 | PER: 23.8

Frank Ntilikina has had some nice rookie moments, but the Knicks are finding out that that the long-armed, 6-foot-5 guard is seemingly better suited playing alongside a more dominant ball handler and shot creator who can take some of the scoring responsibilities off his shoulders.

Enter Sexton, who looks like a nice pairing with his tremendous aggressiveness driving the lane, taking off-the-dribble jumpers and putting defensive pressure on opposing guards. NBA teams have some concerns about Sexton's ability to stay healthy due to his reckless style of play, and he has seemingly been dinged up all season, which hasn't helped matters.

Starting salary: $3,522,480

11. Utah Jazz
Mikal Bridges
Villanova
Junior
SF


Height: 6-foot-7 | Weight: 200 | PER: 27.5

Every team in the NBA is searching for depth on the wing, and the Jazz are no exception.

Bridges' ability to make shots, defend anywhere from 1-4 and play within a system make him an easy fit on almost any team's roster, even if his overall upside is limited to an extent by his lack of shot creation.

Starting salary: $3,346,560

12. Charlotte Hornets
Kevin Knox
Kentucky
Freshman
SF/PF


Height: 6-foot-9 | Weight: 205 | PER: 16.4

Knox hasn't had a very efficient freshman season, partially due to his playing out of position, but there's a significant market in the NBA for combo forwards in his mold who can make an open shot, defend multiple positions and offer some offensive versatility. He's one of the youngest players in this draft, so he still has plenty of room to continue to grow. Marvin Williams is the only true power forward on Charlotte's roster, but at age 31, he doesn't appear to be part of the impending rebuilding plans.

Starting salary: $3,179,280

13. LA Clippers
Robert Williams
Texas A&M
Sophomore
PF/C


Height: 6-foot-9 | Weight: 237 | PER: 25.4

Williams has had a somewhat disappointing sophomore season, partially due to his playing out of position as a power forward in traditional dual-post player lineups.

His game is tailor-made for the NBA, though, as a rim-running, pick-and-roll-finishing, shot-blocker/offensive rebounder in the Clint Capela mold. With DeAndre Jordan in the final year of his contract, the Clippers could certainly look to Williams as a potential successor.

Starting salary: $3,020,280

14. Denver Nuggets

Troy Brown
Oregon
Freshman
SG


Height: 6-foot-7 | Weight: 210 | PER: 19.1

The Nuggets have been cycling through options at the small forward position all season and could very well look to address that position in the draft and/or free agency this summer.

Brown's versatility as a big ball handler, defender and rebounder is intriguing in a league that is starved for wing players, but his inconsistency as a perimeter shooter has made it difficult for him to fully break out. Being the third-youngest player in this draft class means he still has time to address that.

Starting salary: $2,869,320

15. Indiana Pacers
Dzanan Musa
Cedevita
Age: 18.5
SF


Height: 6-foot-9 | Weight: 195 | PER: 20.8

Unless a major upgrade at point guard presents itself, shooting and depth at the wing/combo forward spots will likely be priorities for the Pacers this offseason, similar to most teams in the NBA.

Musa's size, scoring instincts and aggressiveness could be intriguing for the Pacers at this stage of the draft. He's one of the youngest players in this class but is already very productive in Europe playing at a fairly high level.

Starting salary: $2,725,680

16. Detroit Pistons

Chandler Hutchison
Boise St.
Senior
SF


Height: 6-foot-7 | Weight: 193 | PER: 25.8

The Pistons have been cycling through small forward options all season and haven't gotten great production from that position.

Hutchison has made significant strides with his game as a senior. He looks primed to take advantage of the lack of wing depth in the draft, and the NBA in general, this June. He has outstanding physical tools and is a much improved ball handler and perimeter shooter.

Starting salary: $2,589,480

17. Milwaukee Bucks

Daniel Gafford
Arkansas
Freshman
C


Height: 6-foot-11 | Weight: 217 | PER: 27.0

Gafford made a big jump in our most recent top-100 prospect rankings, but the glut of big men in this class makes it difficult for him to crack the lottery in this team-needs-based mock draft. The Bucks are one team that could certainly be looking to add depth at the center spot, where John Henson has been holding the fort down inconsistently and Thon Maker has yet to prove his long-term viability.

Gafford's tremendous physical tools and significant upside will likely help him hear his name called somewhere in the top 20 with a strong pre-draft process.

Starting salary: $2,460,000

Phoenix will receive Milwaukee's pick if it lands in Nos. 11-16. BPI projects that Phoenix has a 45.9 percent chance of landing this pick.

18. Portland Trail Blazers
Lonnie Walker IV
Miami
Freshman
SG


Height: 6-foot-4 | Weight: 206 | PER: 17.4

Portland's wing rotation has been highly unstable all season, as the team searches for consistent 3-point shooting and defensive versatility alongside its star guards.

Walker hasn't had a very productive freshman season, but the lack of depth at the wing position has kept his name in the first-round discussion as scouts wait to see if his performance stabilizes as the year moves on. His youth, strong frame, 6-foot-10½ wingspan and ability to shoot with his feet set or off the dribble makes him a candidate to rise during the pre-draft process as teams search for upside and diamonds in the rough.

Starting salary: $2,337,000

19. New Orleans Pelicans

Shai Gilgeous-Alexander
Kentucky
Freshman
PG/SG


Height: 6-foot-6 | Weight: 171 | PER: 19.4

With Rajon Rondo in the last year of his deal and no clear successor behind him, it would make sense for the Pelicans to think about drafting a versatile point guard who can operate in different lineups without dominating the ball for a team whose usage is largely sucked up by DeMarcus Cousins, Anthony Davis and Jrue Holiday.

Gilgeous-Alexander has the size, length, multi-positional defensive versatility and unselfishness needed to operate as a role-player alongside stars.

Starting salary: $2,231,760

20. Washington Wizards
Bruce Brown
Miami
Sophomore
SG


Height: 6-foot-3 | Weight: 200 | PER: 17.6

The Wizards have been cycling through backup guards for quite some time, never quite finding the right lineup combinations to hold the fort down while All-Stars John Wall and Bradley Beal rest.

Combo guard Bruce Brown is having a disappointing sophomore year thus far, and much of his placement in this mock draft is based on the assumption that he will continue to bounce back as the season moves on. Nevertheless, he's a willing passer, lockdown defender and gritty rebounder, and he has shown enough promise with his jump shot at times to lead you to believe that he will become adequate here eventually. There's a significant market for players in his mold, provided that he finishes the season strong.

Starting salary: $2,142,360

Minnesota will receive Oklahoma City's pick if it is outside the lottery.

21. Philadelphia 76ers

Khyri Thomas
Creighton
Junior
SG


Height: 6-foot-3 | Weight: 210 | PER: 20.9

This might feel a tad high for Thomas, whose counting numbers don't jump off the page, but there's a lot to like about his fit on the Sixers rosters, considering his highly pronounced strengths.

Thomas is one of the better defenders in college basketball, capable of guarding three positions with his 6-foot-11 wingspan. He's also a willing ball-mover, a promising spot-up shooter and exactly the type of gritty and unselfish character the NBA covets in role players. The Sixers have seen their wing depth stretched incredibly thin this season and might look to bolster their rotation with a player in Thomas' mold.

Starting salary: $2,056,680

Atlanta will receive Minnesota's pick if it is outside the lottery.

22. Phoenix Suns (via Heat)
Trevon Duval
Duke
Freshman
PG


Height: 6-foot-3 | Weight: 191 | PER: 16.7

The Suns are in dire need of a starting-caliber point guard after trading Eric Bledsoe to the Bucks.

Duval has had a somewhat disappointing freshman year thus far and has seen his stock drop significantly from where he started the season. The Suns could opt to take a flyer on the big, long-armed, athletic guard, hoping that a change of scenery and NBA spacing help him realize the potential he demonstrated in high school down the road. Duval's jump shot looks irrevocably broke, but he displays enough promise in other areas to warrant a flyer at this stage of the draft.

Starting salary: $1,974,480

Phoenix will receive Miami's pick if it is outside the top seven.

23. Cleveland Cavaliers

Anfernee Simons
IMG Academy (HS)
Age: 18.4
SG


Height: 6-foot-4 | Weight: 183

The Cavs could very well be preparing for life without LeBron, and with that in mind, it makes sense for them to take a swing on upside and hope talent wins out.

Simons is one of the least NBA-ready players in the draft, but he's intriguing due to his combination of youth, athleticism and shot-making prowess. He's a few years away from panning out, but at this stage of the draft, there isn't much risk.

Starting salary: $1,895,520

24. Minnesota Timberwolves (via Thunder)

Shake Milton
SMU
Junior
PG/SG


Height: 6-foot-6 | Weight: 207 | PER: 24.8

Minnesota's guard and wing rotation have been a work in progress since the offseason and will likely need to be shored up over the summer.

A player such as Milton, who has the size and length to defend all three backcourt spots, can operate on or off the ball and is a consistent outside shooter, could make some sense.

Starting salary: $1,819,800

25. San Antonio Spurs

Mitchell Robinson
College: None
Freshman
C


Height: 6-foot-11 | Weight: 215

With the Spurs' incumbent big men starters both in their mid-30s and no clear-cut successor in the waiting, it might make sense for San Antonio's front office to consider drafting a project center to develop long-term.

Robinson is one of the most talented prospects in the draft physically -- with impressive length, athleticism and shot-blocking instincts -- but he is a long ways from contributing. The fact that he elected not to play college basketball this season won't help his NBA readiness, but at some point in the draft, he's worth rolling the dice on.

Starting salary: $1,746,840

26. Atlanta Hawks (via Thunder)

De'Anthony Melton
USC
Sophomore
PG/SG


Height: 6-foot-3 | Weight: 195

With the second of their three first-round picks, the Hawks might look to add some backcourt depth, specifically someone who can play behind or alongside incumbent starters Dennis Schroder and Kent Bazemore.

Melton looked to be on the verge of a breakout season for USC before the FBI investigation shut him down indefinitely. His defensive versatility, toughness and intangibles make him a prospect worth investing in.

Starting salary: $1,689,000

27. Boston Celtics

Keita Bates-Diop
Ohio St.
Junior
PF


Height: 6-foot-7 | Weight: 235 | PER: 29.9

The Celtics love long-armed, multipositional defenders who can make shots from the perimeter, and Bates-Diop has increased his stock dramatically with a breakout season.

He's been sliding among all of the frontcourt positions for surging Ohio State and looks like an ideal fit for the modern NBA if he can find a way to rev his motor into higher gear at the professional level.

Starting salary: $1,640,400

Brooklyn will receive Toronto's pick if it is outside the lottery.

28. Brooklyn Nets (via Raptors)

Hamidou Diallo
Kentucky
Sophomore
SG


Height: 6-foot-5 | Weight: 188 | PER: 16.1

The Nets were reportedly looking to lock down Diallo at the NBA draft early-entry withdrawal deadline last year, but they ultimately traded the pick after he elected to return to Kentucky.

Diallo's stock has stagnated somewhat as he hasn't made the type of progress scouts were hoping to see with his feel for the game or skill level. Still, he's one of the best athletes in the draft and could very well continue to improve with the right skill-development coaching, as he's very young and reportedly has a strong work ethic.

Starting salary: $1,630,320

29. Atlanta Hawks (via Rockets)

Melvin Frazier
Tulane
Junior
SF


Height: 6-foot-6 | Weight: 200 | PER: 25.2

The Hawks are still figuring out their wing rotation long-term and could look to bolster that spot with additional depth.

Frazier's stock has been moving in the right direction in what has been a very impressive junior season at Tulane. He's a tremendous athlete standing 6-foot-6 with a nearly 7-foot wingspan, and he's making 41 percent of his 3-pointers this season.

Starting salary: $1,618,320

Atlanta will receive Houston's pick if it is outside the top three.

30. Golden State Warriors

Landry Shamet
Wichita St.
Sophomore
PG/SG


Height: 6-foot-4 | Weight: 188 | PER: 24.2

The best 3-point shooting team in the NBA is always on the lookout for more ways to stretch the court, so in some ways Shamet is a natural fit. He's shooting 50 percent from 3 on the season, combining a potent pull-up jumper with the ability to come off screens, and he's arguably the most consistent spot-up jumper in the college game.

Shamet sees most of his minutes at point guard despite standing 6-foot-4, thanks to his terrific feel for the game and all-around creativity, but there are some question marks about his ability to create his own shot at the NBA level to continue to do so as a pro.

Starting salary: $1,606,680

Round 2
31. Kings

Brandon McCoy | C | Freshman | UNLV

32. Hawks

Rodions Kurucs | SF/PF | ACB/LEB Gold | Barcelona/Barcelona 2

33. Suns

Jalen Hudson | SG/SF | Junior | Florida

34. Magic

Jevon Carter | PG | Senior | West Virginia

35. Knicks (via Bulls)

Grayson Allen | SG | Senior | Duke

36. 76ers (via Nets)

Chimezie Metu | C | Junior | USC

37. Nets (via Lakers)

Devonte' Graham | PG | Senior | Kansas

38. Mavericks

Jacob Evans | SF | Junior | Cincinnati

39. Grizzlies

Aaron Holiday | PG | Junior | UCLA

40. 76ers (via Knicks)

Kevin Hervey | PF | Senior | Texas Arlington

41. Jazz

Rawle Alkins | SG/SF | Sophomore | Arizona

42. Suns (via Hornets)

Jalen Brunson | PG | Junior | Villanova

43. Knicks (via Clippers)

Arnoldas Kulboka | SF | Italy/Champions League | Capo D'Orlando

44. Lakers (via Nuggets)

Bonzie Colson | PF | Senior | Notre Dame

45. Pacers

Allonzo Trier | SG | Junior | Arizona

46. Pistons

Amine Noua | PF | France/EuroCup | Villeurbanne

47. Bucks

Sviatoslav Mykhailiuk | SG/SF | Senior | Kansas

48. Nuggets (via Blazers)

Vincent Edwards | SF/PF | Senior | Purdue

49. Bulls (via Pelicans)

Ethan Happ | PF | Junior | Wisconsin

50. Wizards

Alize Johnson | PF | Senior | Missouri State

51. Sixers

Ray Spalding | PF | Junior | Louisville

52. Rockets (via Heat)

Moritz Wagner | PF | Junior | Michigan

53. Hornets (via Cavaliers)

Matur Maker | PF | International | Mississauga Prep

54. Thunder

Isaac Haas | C | Senior | Purdue

55. Spurs

Karim Jallow | SG/SF | Germany/Germany 3 | Bayern Muenchen II

56. Wolves

Maximo Fjellerup | SF/PF | Argentina | Bahia Blanca

57. Thunder (via Celtics)

Dakota Mathias | SG/SF | Senior | Purdue

58. Suns (via Raptors)

Milik Yarbrough | SG | Junior | Illinois State

59. 76ers (via Rockets)

Donte Grantham | SF/PF | Senior | Clemson

60. Nuggets (via Warriors)

Elie Okobo | PG/SG | France | Pau-Orthez


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2/11/2018  2:01 PM
Lakes should tank, but I see them finishing with a better record than us.
Orlando take Bagley, seems a bit of an Issac clone? Perhaps Issac seen as a wing player.
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2/11/2018  11:13 PM
Nalod wrote:Lakes should tank, but I see them finishing with a better record than us.
Orlando take Bagley, seems a bit of an Issac clone? Perhaps Issac seen as a wing player.

Why should Lakers tank? They don't have their own 1st rounder. Don't think Bagley's an Isaac clone, I think that's Jaren Jackson, but even if he is a clone, Isaac hasn't done anything this year. No reason for Orlando to start planning around Isaac yet.

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2/11/2018  11:20 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/11/2018  11:20 PM
Depends on where we are draft wise but Doncic, Porter, Knox and both Bridges should be the only guys we're scouting.

Doncic and Porter got superstar upside, Knox, Miles, and Mikal bring different skill sets. Mikal fits best with the Knicks 2-way/length player model. Also if the plan is to get Giannis in 2019 to pair with KP...... he would fit that the best as a guy who could work around both of them.

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2/12/2018  7:24 AM
Surprised Trae Young isnt higher. If the Sixers draft Young, I hope the Knicks try to trade for Fultz. Offer a second rounder, or clear a logjam. Would be worth the risk. If Fultz sorted things out, we would have a recent number one pick with a chip on his shoulder.
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2/12/2018  8:57 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/12/2018  9:01 AM
VCoug wrote:
Nalod wrote:Lakes should tank, but I see them finishing with a better record than us.
Orlando take Bagley, seems a bit of an Issac clone? Perhaps Issac seen as a wing player.

Why should Lakers tank? They don't have their own 1st rounder. Don't think Bagley's an Isaac clone, I think that's Jaren Jackson, but even if he is a clone, Isaac hasn't done anything this year. No reason for Orlando to start planning around Isaac yet.

Lakes pick has some weird protections on it, like 2 thru 5. YOur right, I read it wrong, the “protections” relate to Philly or boston who gets the pick.

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2/12/2018  10:13 AM
GustavBahler wrote:Surprised Trae Young isnt higher. If the Sixers draft Young, I hope the Knicks try to trade for Fultz. Offer a second rounder, or clear a logjam. Would be worth the risk. If Fultz sorted things out, we would have a recent number one pick with a chip on his shoulder.

Yeah right??? a 2nd rounder is going to get Fultz??? the 1st pick in the draft. Wake the **** up. Maybe we can sweeten the deal by putting Lance in the deal or Jack. Stop being such a homer. Why would the sixers do that trade??? Logjam--really???

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2/12/2018  11:06 AM
I've seen a couple of these and the thing I find funny is how many bigs are projected at the top, while we continue to hear that that it's all about the wings in the NBA now -- positionless basketball etc.

Unless somehow we align with Trae Young I don't see us taking a pg

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2/12/2018  11:12 AM
We probably should look to bundle our 2nd rounders with our first to move up, depending on where we end up in the draft (fingers cross on top pick!)

I just don't see the room for 3 rookies, and given what Dotson has done with us (and Frank N for that matter), we need the best impact talent we can get, not depth, though we need that too.

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2/12/2018  11:19 AM
franco12 wrote:We probably should look to bundle our 2nd rounders with our first to move up, depending on where we end up in the draft (fingers cross on top pick!)

I just don't see the room for 3 rookies, and given what Dotson has done with us (and Frank N for that matter), we need the best impact talent we can get, not depth, though we need that too.

Need play-makers shot makers another intelligent PG like the raptors have with Van Fleet We might need size just becuase we have 15 me on our roster doesnt mean they all have to be back--its not a good team.

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2/12/2018  11:51 AM
BRIGGS wrote:
franco12 wrote:We probably should look to bundle our 2nd rounders with our first to move up, depending on where we end up in the draft (fingers cross on top pick!)

I just don't see the room for 3 rookies, and given what Dotson has done with us (and Frank N for that matter), we need the best impact talent we can get, not depth, though we need that too.

Need play-makers shot makers another intelligent PG like the raptors have with Van Fleet We might need size just becuase we have 15 me on our roster doesnt mean they all have to be back--its not a good team.

Mudiay could end up being that playmaker. He is a good athlete and penetrator. Nitlikina and Hardaway on the wings gives additional help there. We suddenly become more athletic and with much more playmaking. But i would like to grab Brunson or Holiday in the 2nd round.

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2/12/2018  12:02 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/12/2018  12:05 PM
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GustavBahler wrote:Surprised Trae Young isnt higher. If the Sixers draft Young, I hope the Knicks try to trade for Fultz. Offer a second rounder, or clear a logjam. Would be worth the risk. If Fultz sorted things out, we would have a recent number one pick with a chip on his shoulder.

Yeah right??? a 2nd rounder is going to get Fultz??? the 1st pick in the draft. Wake the **** up. Maybe we can sweeten the deal by putting Lance in the deal or Jack. Stop being such a homer. Why would the sixers do that trade??? Logjam--really???

Stop being such a moron. Words exactly were to offer a second round pick OR clear a logjam. Which means offer players for a broken down Fultz. Read more carefully before you hyperventilate.

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2/12/2018  12:27 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/12/2018  12:28 PM
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BRIGGS wrote:
franco12 wrote:We probably should look to bundle our 2nd rounders with our first to move up, depending on where we end up in the draft (fingers cross on top pick!)

I just don't see the room for 3 rookies, and given what Dotson has done with us (and Frank N for that matter), we need the best impact talent we can get, not depth, though we need that too.

Need play-makers shot makers another intelligent PG like the raptors have with Van Fleet We might need size just becuase we have 15 me on our roster doesnt mean they all have to be back--its not a good team.

Mudiay could end up being that playmaker. He is a good athlete and penetrator. Nitlikina and Hardaway on the wings gives additional help there. We suddenly become more athletic and with much more playmaking. But i would like to grab Brunson or Holiday in the 2nd round.

The team is horrible--you can see that a little better with KP out. Mudiay is oour starting PG for the next 5 years--well only God knows.

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2/12/2018  12:40 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
franco12 wrote:We probably should look to bundle our 2nd rounders with our first to move up, depending on where we end up in the draft (fingers cross on top pick!)

I just don't see the room for 3 rookies, and given what Dotson has done with us (and Frank N for that matter), we need the best impact talent we can get, not depth, though we need that too.

Need play-makers shot makers another intelligent PG like the raptors have with Van Fleet We might need size just becuase we have 15 me on our roster doesnt mean they all have to be back--its not a good team.

Mudiay could end up being that playmaker. He is a good athlete and penetrator. Nitlikina and Hardaway on the wings gives additional help there. We suddenly become more athletic and with much more playmaking. But i would like to grab Brunson or Holiday in the 2nd round.

The team is horrible--you can see that a little better with KP out. Mudiay is oour starting PG for the next 5 years--well only God knows.

Yea, I mean, what the hell happened to this team?

We had a great start- we looked like we had a team that was greater than the sum of the parts.

We had an easier schedule - lots of home games.

KP looked amazing for the first month.

But, even before he was hurt, the wheels were coming off.

It's a little depressing to think this team is still at square one.

I mean, coming in to this season, I wanted to know what we had with KP. We still don't. Can he actually play an entire season? Will he always be gassed after the first 20 games?

So, as far as building blocks- what is it, KP and THjr? And that is by default in many ways.

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2/12/2018  12:45 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
franco12 wrote:We probably should look to bundle our 2nd rounders with our first to move up, depending on where we end up in the draft (fingers cross on top pick!)

I just don't see the room for 3 rookies, and given what Dotson has done with us (and Frank N for that matter), we need the best impact talent we can get, not depth, though we need that too.

Need play-makers shot makers another intelligent PG like the raptors have with Van Fleet We might need size just becuase we have 15 me on our roster doesnt mean they all have to be back--its not a good team.

Mudiay could end up being that playmaker. He is a good athlete and penetrator. Nitlikina and Hardaway on the wings gives additional help there. We suddenly become more athletic and with much more playmaking. But i would like to grab Brunson or Holiday in the 2nd round.

The team is horrible--you can see that a little better with KP out. Mudiay is oour starting PG for the next 5 years--well only God knows.

It is horrible. But it also shows what a different Porzingis makes, especially defensively. A lot of young pieces on this team so there will be internal improvements hopefully. Mudiay and Ntilikina could have a very bright future together. We asked for a playmaker to help compensate for guys like Ntilikina and Jack. Mudiay is 22, and can be that guy in the future.

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2/12/2018  1:21 PM
We get a cheap look at Mundiay this season, and he can realign his trajectory if he puts the work in.
Hardaway did this. Nobody say's mundiay is the future. He has an opportunity. We have an opportunity. Its all good.
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2/12/2018  2:27 PM
Knixkik wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
franco12 wrote:We probably should look to bundle our 2nd rounders with our first to move up, depending on where we end up in the draft (fingers cross on top pick!)

I just don't see the room for 3 rookies, and given what Dotson has done with us (and Frank N for that matter), we need the best impact talent we can get, not depth, though we need that too.

Need play-makers shot makers another intelligent PG like the raptors have with Van Fleet We might need size just becuase we have 15 me on our roster doesnt mean they all have to be back--its not a good team.

Mudiay could end up being that playmaker. He is a good athlete and penetrator. Nitlikina and Hardaway on the wings gives additional help there. We suddenly become more athletic and with much more playmaking. But i would like to grab Brunson or Holiday in the 2nd round.

The team is horrible--you can see that a little better with KP out. Mudiay is oour starting PG for the next 5 years--well only God knows.

It is horrible. But it also shows what a different Porzingis makes, especially defensively. A lot of young pieces on this team so there will be internal improvements hopefully. Mudiay and Ntilikina could have a very bright future together. We asked for a playmaker to help compensate for guys like Ntilikina and Jack. Mudiay is 22, and can be that guy in the future.

what are the 'A lot of young pieces' that we have? Frank & Mudiay?

They are young, but they aren't alot and I don't know that they are bright future unless you mean the train bearing down on us!

I hope Frank becomes something. But, I know I would feel better if we had picked DSjr.

Mudiay was taken off the refuse heap of another team. I liked what I saw, and I hope he can become something.

But if you had to bet a significant amount of money on this group turning into a play off caliber foundation in 3-5 years, you'd be crazy to bet yes and not short them.

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2/13/2018  11:37 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/13/2018  11:39 AM
Out of the big men:

Deandre Ayton
Mohamed Bamba
Marvin Bagley III
Jaren Jackson
Michael Porter Jr

which ones would play well with KP and which ones look incompatible with him?

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2/13/2018  11:44 AM
smackeddog wrote:Out of the big men:

Deandre Ayton
Mohamed Bamba
Marvin Bagley III
Jaren Jackson
Michael Porter Jr

which ones would play well with KP and which ones look incompatible with him?

a lot of this I think depends if you see KP as a 4 or 5, as well as your thoughts on how a front court should look. I think KP is more comfortable as a 4. I also don't think you need as much size as you used to.

With that in mind, KP + Ayton sounds really ****ing good

I think Bamba is more realistic. I think the Knicks should look for a SF though. But to answer your question, Bamba's game would seemingly mesh really well with KP's

fishmike said: Yes. Sometimes I confuse the alerts with when your mom calls. BTW she said defensive guards are really important.
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2/13/2018  11:56 AM
SupremeCommander wrote:
smackeddog wrote:Out of the big men:

Deandre Ayton
Mohamed Bamba
Marvin Bagley III
Jaren Jackson
Michael Porter Jr

which ones would play well with KP and which ones look incompatible with him?

a lot of this I think depends if you see KP as a 4 or 5, as well as your thoughts on how a front court should look. I think KP is more comfortable as a 4. I also don't think you need as much size as you used to.

With that in mind, KP + Ayton sounds really ****ing good

I think Bamba is more realistic. I think the Knicks should look for a SF though. But to answer your question, Bamba's game would seemingly mesh really well with KP's

Thanks! I agree that we really need an SF, but this draft seems to be lacking top SF prospects, while being quite PF/C heavy at the top.

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