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ankurk
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2/8/2018  10:21 AM
Trading Hardaway for Mudiay and Faried works on the trade machine.
Tim will likely be unhappy here with losing the 1.5 years. Why not unload him now to a team that could use a young scorer?

It seems like denver is ready to move on from Mudiay. Pairing him with Ntilikina as an experiment cannot hurt. Two young 6'5 PG's couldn't be the worst thing ever to try out.

Both Faried and Mudiay have 2 years left on contracts that expire the summer of 2019 for the large FA class

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ankurk
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2/8/2018  10:24 AM
To add clarification: The goal of this would be to empty as much cap as possible for 2019. Tank this year. And just see how the experiment and change of scenery goes for Mudiay.

Best case: Faried expires in two years. We draft a lottery pick this year. Frank and Mudiay's shots continue to improve and our backcourt is Mudiay-Ntilikina for years to come.

Worst case: Faried and Mudiay expire. Experiment fails. We still tank for a high pick this year. Empty cap space for 2019 before porzingis returns to the court.

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2/8/2018  10:42 AM
Hardaway is still part of the future. I doubt he gets moved.
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2/8/2018  10:52 AM
Per Woj - The Nuggets could attach a draft pick to Kenneth Faried in an effort to move him before the deadline.
It seems like Faried's name pops up every deadline. It's no secret that the Nuggets would like to move him, as he's clearly behind Trey Lyles and has no path to minutes right now. Plus, Paul Millsap (wrist) is expected back after the All-Star break. He's owed $13.7 million in 2018-19, and while his offensive game is limited, he could be helpful to a playoff-bound team in need of rebounding and energy off the bench. Emmanuel Mudiay and Wilson Chandler are also on the block in Denver.
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2/8/2018  10:56 AM
Alternative - Lee + McDermott for the same deal. Surrounds Jokic with shooters for a nuggets playoff push
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2/8/2018  10:58 AM
You do know that I posted all of this in the trade thread 20 minutes ago?
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2/8/2018  11:01 AM
I could probably be talked into something like Courtney Lee for Kenneth Faried and a pick. The pick is mostly what I'm after. Faried and Kanter may be to bully ball some lineups (and get shredded by others but, hey, beggers can't be choosers)
fishmike said: Yes. Sometimes I confuse the alerts with when your mom calls. BTW she said defensive guards are really important.
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2/8/2018  11:06 AM
Assuming we could use one of our exceptions, I'd take Mudiay if they threw in a second. It looks like the league has figured him out and he's regressed every year. If there's one thing I know about the Knicks it's that the team can't develop anyone. So there is no reason to think we'd do better than Denver
fishmike said: Yes. Sometimes I confuse the alerts with when your mom calls. BTW she said defensive guards are really important.
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2/8/2018  11:20 AM
reub wrote:You do know that I posted all of this in the trade thread 20 minutes ago?

Just saw it now. Yeah, you beat me to posting about Mudiay by 6 minutes lol. You win

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2/8/2018  11:22 AM
Have you watched Mudiay? He's a bad NBA player.
Melo is ranked 38 on defense. Probably one of the best PF defenders in the league -HofstraBBall (1/24/2018)
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2/8/2018  11:58 AM
fishmike wrote:Have you watched Mudiay? He's a bad NBA player.

100%

He has NOT impressed me in ANY Denver game I have seen him play since he has been drafted.

The thread starter has obviously never seen Mudiay play

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2/8/2018  12:01 PM
I would take Mudiay on the cheap. Im not sure he is the cerebral PG you want--but Id give him 35 games with a new look for CHEAP.
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2/8/2018  12:11 PM
No thanks. He's been a dreadful NBA player and is guaranteed 4M+ next season. I'd rather spend the energy on Trey Burke personally.
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2/8/2018  12:13 PM
FrenchFreak wrote:No thanks. He's been a dreadful NBA player and is guaranteed 4M+ next season. I'd rather spend the energy on Trey Burke personally.
yea... and at 21 Mudiay may yet blossom but he's shown no signs. Totally agree. Burke has done everything asked. Lets see what he's got
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2/8/2018  12:53 PM
fishmike wrote:
FrenchFreak wrote:No thanks. He's been a dreadful NBA player and is guaranteed 4M+ next season. I'd rather spend the energy on Trey Burke personally.
yea... and at 21 Mudiay may yet blossom but he's shown no signs. Totally agree. Burke has done everything asked. Lets see what he's got

The same issue I have with Isiah....is the same with Burke. When u are 6ft and under in the nba......u have to excel at other things outside of scoring.....Otherwise u become a liability. It's one thing to get beat by bigger guards.....but they also get beat by quicker guards. That's part of Burkes problem with hornacek. and that's when Frank is put back in. burke needs to be the main man to show value.....at least the old burke.....but one important skill I see Burke adding to the team is his playmaking ability. setting others up. But he needs to improve his defensive IQ....Frank too....but Frank has 6 inches over him....and giraffe arms.

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2/8/2018  1:01 PM
Everyone who wanted to draft Mudiay, man up!
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2/8/2018  1:11 PM
Here are my thoughts on Emmanuel Mudiay:
1.) He should have gone to college.
2.) He's like the Jay Cutler of point guards. Has the size, speed and strength that all looks good on paper, but when you watch him play, he's just not that good.
3.) Not interested.
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2/8/2018  1:20 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/8/2018  1:23 PM
Wont happen. But don't think he is as bad as some are making him out to be. And this is a decent proposal, as it includes Faried who most think is a good energy, defense guy. Funny, same guys that praise Franks age, defense and per 36 ratings somehow ignore it in this case. Close to 16,5 and 6. And has improved his FG% and 3pt.%. Always liked Timmy, and dont think we should give up on him but definatley did not like the price tag. Biggest issue for me is that you would me teaming up 2 sub par outside shooters. One that is afraid to take a wide open shot.
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2/8/2018  1:37 PM
Denver runs their offense through Jokic, so they don't need a classic PG. I expect they want a good defender who can shoot. Mudiay is not a good defender from what I have seen, and while his 3pt shooting his up to 37%, his overall shooting is nothing special, and I expect he's still having trouble those hitting midrange shots, which seem important if you are playing off Jokic.

He is young, but some thought he was some kind of PG wonderkid in his draft, and he has hardly lived up to the hype.

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2/8/2018  1:52 PM
mudiay is not that good. I'd rather have Tim.
Yet another mistake by Dolan. When will it end?
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