LivingLegend wrote:I would settle for something like Lee/Willy for Harkless/Vonley and a 2nd round pick.

In this scenario we at least get more athletic, we get a left SF wing-defender and we clear up the center glut while getting 2 younger (24) and (22).

Harkless is a bum. I don't understand why guys want him. He's like a younger Lance Thomas except we don't know what type of teammate he is. The idea that he's gong with potential is a fraud. He's playing in Portland. They have no choice but to play him and he's terrible

Welpee wrote:O'Quinn and Beasley to Detroit for Johnson and their 1st (currently #13 but would certainly be lower as they make a push for the playoffs).

Why would they give up a pick for a guy that would be a backup on their team and exasperates their depth issues at the swingman spots?

Welpee wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

Welpee wrote:O'Quinn and Beasley to Detroit for Johnson and their 1st (currently #13 but would certainly be lower as they make a push for the playoffs).

Why would they give up a pick for a guy that would be a backup on their team and exasperates their depth issues at the swingman spots?

Just felt obligated to post dumb trade ideas just like everyone else.

I definitely think this fits into a different category then.

GustavBahler wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:Elfrid Payton...
https://nypost.com/2018/02/06/knicks-gm-interested-in-trading-for-magic-point-guard-he-drafted/

OK, but leave the haircut!

He's OK, but he's a free agent this summer. We need to preserve the cap.

BigDaddyG wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:Elfrid Payton...
https://nypost.com/2018/02/06/knicks-gm-interested-in-trading-for-magic-point-guard-he-drafted/

OK, but leave the haircut!

He's OK, but he's a free agent this summer. We need to preserve the cap.

CrushAlot wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:Elfrid Payton...
https://nypost.com/2018/02/06/knicks-gm-interested-in-trading-for-magic-point-guard-he-drafted/

OK, but leave the haircut!

He's OK, but he's a free agent this summer. We need to preserve the cap.

A bit concerned that the Knicks want a point guard with more athleticism to open things up and make the game easier for KP not even 7 months after they passed on that type of player in the draft to take Frank. I think they need that type of player but why not get that guy in the draft if it is a need.

Tired of seeing so little progress, and still hearing what a prodigy Frank is. He' smart, eager to learn, but I dont see a player who can be described as "hungry". I see a player who is twice the size of Trey Burke who still plays scared. Thats not about being raw.

As a fan Im usually more patient when it comes to developing players, but not when its a high pick who plays scared most of the time.

GustavBahler wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:Elfrid Payton...
https://nypost.com/2018/02/06/knicks-gm-interested-in-trading-for-magic-point-guard-he-drafted/

OK, but leave the haircut!

He's OK, but he's a free agent this summer. We need to preserve the cap.

A bit concerned that the Knicks want a point guard with more athleticism to open things up and make the game easier for KP not even 7 months after they passed on that type of player in the draft to take Frank. I think they need that type of player but why not get that guy in the draft if it is a need.

Tired of seeing so little progress, and still hearing what a prodigy Frank is. He' smart, eager to learn, but I dont see a player who can be described as "hungry". I see a player who is twice the size of Trey Burke who still plays scared. Thats not about being raw.

As a fan Im usually more patient much when it comes to developing players, but not when its a high pick who plays scared most of the time.

You can’t read that much into it. Frank is stuck cuz the game is still a bit too fast for him and his offense is raw. This was known when they drafted him. They weren’t drafting a finished product. You take Frank cuz you believe he will eventually be a VERY good player. He still has that potential NOTHING changed.

You make a deal for Payton cuz you don’t want to rely on Jack again if you can add a younger talent. It’s insurance and it’s SMART. If Frank makes a huge jump fine. If not you still have a PG as Frank continues to develop.

GustavBahler wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:Elfrid Payton...
https://nypost.com/2018/02/06/knicks-gm-interested-in-trading-for-magic-point-guard-he-drafted/

OK, but leave the haircut!

He's OK, but he's a free agent this summer. We need to preserve the cap.

Depends on the deal. That Noah/Biyombo trade ia interesting. Maybe a package deal. Do not want to see the Knicks going into next season with Frank penciled in as the starting PG.

I have no problem bringing in a Payton type to hold the starting PG spot for another year. But i don't want to see 30+million invested in a THJ/Payton backcourt. I also have no interest in a Biyombo/Noah trade if it means giving up a first-rounder. If that's the case, then I'd rather have Noah sit on the bench or his couch.

Wouldnt give up a 1st either. Those second rounders maybe. Like the year less on his deal. Biyombo might need a change of scenery.

Biyombo has a player option. You know he ain't opting out, so the length is the same. I would consider it if there was some financial relief, but the only difference would be seeing Biyombo ride the pine instead of Noah.