Knixkik wrote:The amount of minutes Jack is getting are ridiculous. Frank is improving and needs more minutes.

He had a good game last night but when you say he is improving, exactly what stats show that? He has one good game then 2 or 3 bad ones. He was -30 vs Boston. Had a 6 game run in January where he went 4 for twenty and averaged 20 minutes? The defense is guarding 4 guys when he is out there.

Like I said, JH wants to win games. He is best to say who give us the best chance. Now If your talking giving Frank a chance to learn, he will have that chance once we are clearly out of the playoffs.

HofstraBBall wrote:

Knixkik wrote:The amount of minutes Jack is getting are ridiculous. Frank is improving and needs more minutes.

He had a good game last night but when you say he is improving, exactly what stats show that? He has one good game then 2 or 3 bad ones. He was -30 vs Boston. Had a 6 game run in January where he went 4 for twenty and averaged 20 minutes? The defense is guarding 4 guys when he is out there.

Like I said, JH wants to win games. He is best to say who give us the best chance. Now If your talking giving Frank a chance to learn, he will have that chance once we are clearly out of the playoffs.

JH is becoming a jerk. He said its not about making the playoffs but developing the young players. BS. Burke not plying last night was ridiculous. The only way to improve is playing regularly . Frank had a nice game, play him more. Time to cut Jacks minutes. Willy after the trade deadline should get consistent minutes. No way do u want to go into next year not knowing about Willy, Burke, Dotson and Frank. Actually I don't mind them being competitive but losing at the end. Higher draft pick. PLAY THE YOUNGSTERS NOW!!!!!

Knixkik wrote:

BigRedDog wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

Knixkik wrote:The amount of minutes Jack is getting are ridiculous. Frank is improving and needs more minutes.

He had a good game last night but when you say he is improving, exactly what stats show that? He has one good game then 2 or 3 bad ones. He was -30 vs Boston. Had a 6 game run in January where he went 4 for twenty and averaged 20 minutes? The defense is guarding 4 guys when he is out there.

Like I said, JH wants to win games. He is best to say who give us the best chance. Now If your talking giving Frank a chance to learn, he will have that chance once we are clearly out of the playoffs.

JH is becoming a jerk. He said its not about making the playoffs but developing the young players. BS. Burke not plying last night was ridiculous. The only way to improve is playing regularly . Frank had a nice game, play him more. Time to cut Jacks minutes. Willy after the trade deadline should get consistent minutes. No way do u want to go into next year not knowing about Willy, Burke, Dotson and Frank. Actually I don't mind them being competitive but losing at the end. Higher draft pick. PLAY THE YOUNGSTERS NOW!!!!!

The craziest thing is, replacing Jack with Frank, McDermott with Dotson, and KOQ with Willy, and i don't think we are any worse right now.

HofstraBBall wrote:

Knixkik wrote:The amount of minutes Jack is getting are ridiculous. Frank is improving and needs more minutes.

He had a good game last night but when you say he is improving, exactly what stats show that? He has one good game then 2 or 3 bad ones. He was -30 vs Boston. Had a 6 game run in January where he went 4 for twenty and averaged 20 minutes? The defense is guarding 4 guys when he is out there.

Like I said, JH wants to win games. He is best to say who give us the best chance. Now If your talking giving Frank a chance to learn, he will have that chance once we are clearly out of the playoffs.

I don’t see how it would hurt the young get playing time and big playing time it’s important for development. As for Ntlikina he should start racking up 30-35 minutes a night win or lose poor shooting or not. If THJ can play like crap and get playing time why can’t anyone else on the team. Hell at least Ntlikina plays defense.

KP has earned his license to play like crap and JH has earned his license to coach like crap. So let’s just do what needs to be done play the young players and let the chip fall where they may. If they lead the Knicks to the playoffs they are overachievers if they make for a better draft position it’s development for the future. Honestly it’s the only way for this team to get better.

It’s not gonna happen through some free agency miracle in 2019. It’s going to happen through the draft.

Knixkik wrote:The amount of minutes Jack is getting are ridiculous. Frank is improving and needs more minutes.

He is? Is that because he actually made a few of his shots last night and had some assists? So when he goes out Sunday and goes back to missing his shots and not being aggressive to the basket then what?

Knixkik wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

Knixkik wrote:The amount of minutes Jack is getting are ridiculous. Frank is improving and needs more minutes.

He had a good game last night but when you say he is improving, exactly what stats show that? He has one good game then 2 or 3 bad ones. He was -30 vs Boston. Had a 6 game run in January where he went 4 for twenty and averaged 20 minutes? The defense is guarding 4 guys when he is out there.

Like I said, JH wants to win games. He is best to say who give us the best chance. Now If your talking giving Frank a chance to learn, he will have that chance once we are clearly out of the playoffs.

He's improving in the sense where he seems less hesitant on offense. He's trying to make things happen. Shots are starting to go in for him too. I can live with the bad games but he's trending up. His defense remains good too.

Frank has shot 8 for 40 in the last 9 games, and it's not trending upward

Frank indirectly causes a lot of bad plays by his "HOT POTATO passing", and lack of shot attempts...

There is no way frank (a 19 yr old) can play more than 22 mins per game, he barely has the stamina for that, and some of you are saying start him, or play him more minutes, like that will help.

fck thawing it out, seasoning it, and marinate the bitch, just put it in the pot frozen, put some salt on it, and will eat it like that...THATs some of you guys development process for frank. Not to mention the short-order-cook in Hornacek as the chef who dishes out inconsistent minutes, and the same old boring offensse

martin wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

Knixkik wrote:The amount of minutes Jack is getting are ridiculous. Frank is improving and needs more minutes.

He is? Is that because he actually made a few of his shots last night and had some assists? So when he goes out Sunday and goes back to missing his shots and not being aggressive to the basket then what?

And then what? We will call him a rookie and find it norm.

Also, if you want to look at progress you don't do it on a game by game basis but rather month to month and anticipate some ups and downs.

nykshaknbake wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

Knixkik wrote:The amount of minutes Jack is getting are ridiculous. Frank is improving and needs more minutes.

He had a good game last night but when you say he is improving, exactly what stats show that? He has one good game then 2 or 3 bad ones. He was -30 vs Boston. Had a 6 game run in January where he went 4 for twenty and averaged 20 minutes? The defense is guarding 4 guys when he is out there.

Like I said, JH wants to win games. He is best to say who give us the best chance. Now If your talking giving Frank a chance to learn, he will have that chance once we are clearly out of the playoffs.

He's improving in the sense where he seems less hesitant on offense. He's trying to make things happen. Shots are starting to go in for him too. I can live with the bad games but he's trending up. His defense remains good too.

Frank has shot 8 for 40 in the last 9 games, and it's not trending upward

Frank indirectly causes a lot of bad plays by his "HOT POTATO passing", and lack of shot attempts...

There is no way frank (a 19 yr old) can play more than 22 mins per game, he barely has the stamina for that, and some of you are saying start him, or play him more minutes, like that will help.

fck thawing it out, seasoning it, and marinate the bitch, just put it in the pot frozen, put some salt on it, and will eat it like that...THATs some of you guys development process for frank. Not to mention the short-order-cook in Hornacek as the chef who dishes out inconsistent minutes, and the same old boring offensse

This. Why does Frank get more minutes regardless of how poorly he plays? There has to be some accountability. 20 minutes a night is generous for what we get back. No not saying he's hopeless, but more minutes doesn't mean more development and poor PG play kills development of the rest of the team.

He doesn't. When he commits atrocious TO's he gets pulled. Witness the 5 minute games recently'ish

Ther's definitely a balance between letting him play thru mistakes and pulling him after some atrocious ones where the coaching staff has probably told him to look out for those types of mistakes

nykshaknbake wrote:

martin wrote:

nykshaknbake wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

Knixkik wrote:The amount of minutes Jack is getting are ridiculous. Frank is improving and needs more minutes.

He had a good game last night but when you say he is improving, exactly what stats show that? He has one good game then 2 or 3 bad ones. He was -30 vs Boston. Had a 6 game run in January where he went 4 for twenty and averaged 20 minutes? The defense is guarding 4 guys when he is out there.

Like I said, JH wants to win games. He is best to say who give us the best chance. Now If your talking giving Frank a chance to learn, he will have that chance once we are clearly out of the playoffs.

He's improving in the sense where he seems less hesitant on offense. He's trying to make things happen. Shots are starting to go in for him too. I can live with the bad games but he's trending up. His defense remains good too.

Frank has shot 8 for 40 in the last 9 games, and it's not trending upward

Frank indirectly causes a lot of bad plays by his "HOT POTATO passing", and lack of shot attempts...

There is no way frank (a 19 yr old) can play more than 22 mins per game, he barely has the stamina for that, and some of you are saying start him, or play him more minutes, like that will help.

fck thawing it out, seasoning it, and marinate the bitch, just put it in the pot frozen, put some salt on it, and will eat it like that...THATs some of you guys development process for frank. Not to mention the short-order-cook in Hornacek as the chef who dishes out inconsistent minutes, and the same old boring offensse

This. Why does Frank get more minutes regardless of how poorly he plays? There has to be some accountability. 20 minutes a night is generous for what we get back. No not saying he's hopeless, but more minutes doesn't mean more development and poor PG play kills development of the rest of the team.

He doesn't. When he commits atrocious TO's he gets pulled. Witness the 5 minute games recently'ish

Ther's definitely a balance between letting him play thru mistakes and pulling him after some atrocious ones where the coaching staff has probably told him to look out for those types of mistakes

As it should. This was more in response to those wanting him to get 30 min+.

ah yes, got it