Welpee wrote:

Cartman718 wrote:I wouldn't mind dealing a first round pick with Noah if its 2020 pick or later, in 2020 we should be really a late first round pick team and also I am pretty sure we can get a 2018 or 2019 first round pick for dealing away KOQ / Lee etc.

Yeah, we thought that when we dealt those picks in the Eddy Curry trade. Ended up turning into Aldridge and (ironically) Noah.

We're not trading picks away for Curry though. We're trading a pick away with Noah looking for cap relief and a player... it's a totally different thing.

At the time we actually needed to keep drafting. Right now we really need to jumpstart the rebuild cuz KP Abe some of the guys we have at 25 years old are ready to play right now. Nothing is urgent but we should really look into this.... especially for fun. Too much negative stuff. Why not play devil's advocate?

Cartman718 wrote:I wouldn't mind dealing a first round pick with Noah if its 2020 pick or later, in 2020 we should be really a late first round pick team and also I am pretty sure we can get a 2018 or 2019 first round pick for dealing away KOQ / Lee etc.

Good thinking. I feel the same way. If SVG can be bold, maybe its time for the Knicks to make a run too. Trading Noah with a future pick opens up the market considerably.

If Noah's money is a sunk cost anyway, let's stop being delusional about over-the-rainbow FA's and lottery saviors.

Say, Utah... Rubio, Jerebko, and O'Neale for Noah, Jack, and a pick

Or Orlando, Biyombo, Iwandu, Hezonja for Noah, O'Quinn and a pick

Or Portland, Lillard for Noah, Thomas, Frankie - second-rounder - ok, ok, a first-rounder

It's not like our other centers have been killing it on defense, and Noah even if he lost a step has more of that defensive quarterbacking and communication than any of our other centers who range from mediocre to a liability on D.

I thought there have been many times it would be good to see Noah on the floor to see if he could stiffen the defense. I have no idea what's been going on behind the scene that culminated in the current situation

Also is it truly the case we can't just straight up trade him for another bad contract, e.g., Evan Turn, Bazemore, Crabbe. All of those guys are on bad contracts but at least we need wings

martin wrote:I am guessing that all of those who want to trade Noah and the first for "Cap space" have no idea what the cap situation is and what they Knicks would be idiots to do that type of trade.

Figure out the numbers, figure out the target and get back to us with a better explanation then "we need to trade for cap space"

I can still remember how Phil was labeled a failure the summer Greg Monroe signed with Milwaukee and we had "cap space". Such a joy to wait for those special opportunities.

martin wrote:I am guessing that all of those who want to trade Noah and the first for "Cap space" have no idea what the cap situation is and what they Knicks would be idiots to do that type of trade.

Figure out the numbers, figure out the target and get back to us with a better explanation then "we need to trade for cap space"

I don't think cap space is all anyone is thinking. If your including a 1st rnd pick, your going to get back a significant piece to add to the roster.

knicks1248 wrote:

martin wrote:I am guessing that all of those who want to trade Noah and the first for "Cap space" have no idea what the cap situation is and what they Knicks would be idiots to do that type of trade.

Figure out the numbers, figure out the target and get back to us with a better explanation then "we need to trade for cap space"

I don't think cap space is all anyone is thinking. If your including a 1st rnd pick, your going to get back a significant piece to add to the roster.

Noah has a terrible contract and can barely play anymore; nobody wants him. We'd have to include a 1st round pick or some other good asset to convince another team to take him. We're not getting an asset back in a trade like that.

knicks1248 wrote:

martin wrote:I am guessing that all of those who want to trade Noah and the first for "Cap space" have no idea what the cap situation is and what they Knicks would be idiots to do that type of trade.

Figure out the numbers, figure out the target and get back to us with a better explanation then "we need to trade for cap space"

I don't think cap space is all anyone is thinking. If your including a 1st rnd pick, your going to get back a significant piece to add to the roster.