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The Problem with Playing Burke: more wins...
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Nalod
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1/28/2018  1:07 PM
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FrenchFreak wrote:I think the Knicks have Burke on a non guaranteed contract for next season at 1.8M. Great potential value there.

Not to mention he chose the Knicks knowing he would be a G-leaguer with an opportunity to earn it. He has a close friend in THjr here, has ties with Perry I believe someone said. And he has an opportunity to get real PT here.

This may be the best situation to be in for his career right now.

Very well there is a path for him and if he fulfills that he gets to stay. He seems to be doing that.
Yes, he has a team option for next year. He is ours if we want.
Knicks should make moves based on what is offered. Some teams waive players if not trade makes sense. If Team really wanted to commite to Willy, we could waive KOQ if there is no deal and we are not resigning him next year. I like him, but not every team that needs him wants to trade a pick or has them to trade. We think they do.
WE got KOQ for free, and its ok to let him walk. Not saying we should not try. Just saying we don't know shyt in the real world.

I think we should make a run for the playoffs and as said "Play up to the talent". Tanking might get you a bitter pick, but you also diminish whats left.
THjr IF HE COULD RAISE TO THE CHALLANGE would be a great thing for him and the team. Same for any player and the team.
Make the damn playoffs and give whom ever a hard time. teams like the Spurs do well with young players is because they are a winning organization and winning breeds winners!
Now if the talent is not there I submit the team should not mortgage the future.

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1/28/2018  6:11 PM
EnySpree wrote:Making the playoffs is just as important as getting a draft pick. This culture of losing on purpose to get a chance at a star is just a loser mentality.... if you would rather lose then you don't deserve to win. Because when does it stop? Oh we're still not good, let's tank again? Wtf is going?

Making the playoffs with Kristaps is just as important. It shows players we have something special going on here. We'll attract winners to the team. Agents will call us telling us clients are interested in being a part of the movement. That's all just as important...

Also for every Patrick Ewing and Duncan therss a Yinka Dare and Anthony Bennett. Losing on purpose does not guarantee anything!

We'd rather play Frank who sucks right now and isn't ready over Burke who's prime to made a story book comeback? I thought we was trying to find diamonds in the rough? We can still keep Frank but he's not ready yet. He hit the wall and his flaws are sticking out... Burke is scoring and passing... he's defending well too... theres YouTube video explaining all of it. Come on now.

It's like people get used to building teams like they do on their video games and think it should apply to real life.
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1/28/2018  8:56 PM
Welpee wrote:
EnySpree wrote:Making the playoffs is just as important as getting a draft pick. This culture of losing on purpose to get a chance at a star is just a loser mentality.... if you would rather lose then you don't deserve to win. Because when does it stop? Oh we're still not good, let's tank again? Wtf is going?

Making the playoffs with Kristaps is just as important. It shows players we have something special going on here. We'll attract winners to the team. Agents will call us telling us clients are interested in being a part of the movement. That's all just as important...

Also for every Patrick Ewing and Duncan therss a Yinka Dare and Anthony Bennett. Losing on purpose does not guarantee anything!

We'd rather play Frank who sucks right now and isn't ready over Burke who's prime to made a story book comeback? I thought we was trying to find diamonds in the rough? We can still keep Frank but he's not ready yet. He hit the wall and his flaws are sticking out... Burke is scoring and passing... he's defending well too... theres YouTube video explaining all of it. Come on now.

It's like people get used to building teams like they do on their video games and think it should apply to real life.

Seems like you think everybody in the franchise should all focus on franks development no matter what. Everybody should sacrifice their game, jobs, winning to please frank

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1/29/2018  12:48 AM
Something important to remember is that when Hornacek was successful in PHX he played three fairly high-powered PGs - IT, Bledsoe?, and Knight. This is not new territory for Hornacek.

However, the team needs to play to win - that is true. But the exercise is to win by learning how to win. Yes, the playoffs are nice but no one here should hold their breath thinking the team as constructed today should expect to do anything more than taste and learn during those games. Playing the long-timers is far more important than playing short-timers.

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1/29/2018  2:39 AM
SocraticBallin22 wrote:Now here's the problem: ......


The problem is that Burke/Kanter defensive duo has already been scouted heavily by the rest of the league when they were both with the Jazz.

Any team even with a marginal pick and roll will destroy the Knicks with those two on the floor.

Since you came on this board you have been way off in regards to trade value. - Briggs 7/28/2015
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1/29/2018  8:18 AM
TripleThreat wrote:
SocraticBallin22 wrote:Now here's the problem: ......


The problem is that Burke/Kanter defensive duo has already been scouted heavily by the rest of the league when they were both with the Jazz.

Any team even with a marginal pick and roll will destroy the Knicks with those two on the floor.

yes because they're the exact same players as what they were with the jazz right? talk sense man.

Nixluva is posting triangle screen grabs, even when nobody asks - Fishmike. LOL So are we going to reference that thread like the bible now? "The thread of Wroten Page 14 post 9" - EnySpree
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1/29/2018  8:36 AM
SocraticBallin22 wrote:We have been all calling for Trey to play more for some time, and following the West Coast trip where he was finally given extended minutes and a longer look from Horny, he delivered by closing out 3 games for wins (all our wins on the trip).

Burke is the type of point guard that Horny has always coveted--the kind of point guard he had when he was successful in Phoenix with Eric Bledsoe--a quick, scoring point guard who can break down the defense, excel in pick and roll, get in the paint and create his own show when the offense breaks down. He also pushes the pace, which Horny always implores his guards to do. He has exceeded expectations thus far and has shown with his time in the G league, that he can now both run an offense and score (with improved defense). He gives the team a dimension at the point that no one else on the roster could bring and makes all the players better getting them easy shots (especially the bigs).

Now here's the problem: If Burke starts playing starter minutes, along with Timmy, Lee, KP and Beas, we will win a lot more games. Although we will win a lot more games, I don't believe we will win enough games to make the playoffs. We will be just outside the fringes of making the playoffs, which is a disaster for our lottery standings this year.

Remember, this is the last draft where losing records will carry as much weight for a better pick with a deep class of elite prospects and we own our pick.

Is it better to lose more games at this point and get a better lottery pick for our future, or is it better to win more games, with Burke, and risk winning enough games to still not make the playoffs but not get a high lottery pick.

I think this is the dilemma that the franchise faces right now. Burke was a great find by Perry and kudos to him, when many had given up on him. And he has a future on this team as a rotation player. But will he cost us too many wins this year?

Winning is never a problem. The new-school obsession with tanking is just strange. This isn't NBA 2k franchise mode where you breeze through seasons without caring about winning until you are a title contender.

The Problem with Playing Burke: more wins...

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