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GustavBahler
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1/24/2018  8:48 PM
Knixkik wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
Nalod wrote:
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newyorknewyork wrote:33-36 wins seems about right. We need 2 forwards, a combo guard, and a versatile mobile yet strong PF/C.

We have our *lotto pick* and 2nd rounders. We can possibly fill 2 of these needs in the draft. And realistically will probably really need 2 offseason to fill in all the needs and develop the talent to where we need everyone to be.

KP and Hardaway are the scorers. Frank & KP bring defensive potential. We need more length, defense, & skill at the forward positions. Would also like the needed combo guard to provide length as well. The goal is to build an identity. Since we have drafted Frank to pair with KP for the future. The identity is pretty clear in order to maximize.

This is a loaded big man draft as well. Would probably be able to find Kanter's future replacement and KPs long term running mate if the talent is to good to pass up where we draft at first or 2nd round.

Agree. Think the plan may be to get rid of money this year so that we can go after a SF in free agency. May Have Willy, KP, Timmy and Frank starting next year alongside a FA SF pickup. Would have Jack as back up PG, Doug as back up SG, Beas (If we can sign him) as back up PF and think LT stays and backs up at the SF next year. Meaning we need a SF and possible SG/PG backup in the draft. Would then need a back up C free agency as well. But again, depends if we dump Lee. Kanter and KO at deadline.

KO and Kanter can walk so its not given we can "dump" them.
Im not expecting much change or much in return. Team that wants them either is burning a pick or yoot for a run or
would expect to resign them. Otherwise they can just sign them in the summer.
If they want us to take back money.....well then what they offering?

Dont think that Kanter is walking from close to $19M. KO will walk and Knicks know they wont be able to pay for the increase in his value, so its best to get a draft pick back.

True, most expiring are for playoff runs and will typically give back a draft pick or expect you to take back a bad contract with a good asset. Think Knicks prefer draft picks.

Still interesting as to direction they will go. There are many story lines. Beasley has played into larger contract, do they try to resign him or trade him for a pick now? Lee is our best value but may have his highest trade value right right now and ofcourse Timmy plays the same position. Kanter is young but owed $19M and suspect of Defense. Willy is young but seems out of favor lately. Some tough decisions. Adn of course it all depends on offers.

I hope Kanter opts in. Gives us another year to evaluate options, and we aren't going to be significantly under the cap this summer even if he opted out. I really think we need another year to determine who is a long-term fit besides KP, Frank, and Hardaway.

Ditto. Not like he isn't drawing a good salary, and it would be a good way of showing how much Kanter really wants to stay in NY.

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1/24/2018  9:21 PM
HofstraBBall wrote:Not a SF but maybe a guy we can play if the thought is KP at 5

Thanks for that. He’s got some maturity in his game and comes from a winning program. Couldn’t see his defense though and the opposing center had solid stats too. He can stretch it some, board, inside moves, aggressive and athletic. If Kanter and either Wily or KOQ are gone, this kid could get frontline minutes. He’s not a pure 5 though and we could use someone to compete w Embiid, Horford, Jordan, Boogie etc not to mention what Bamba and Ayers could become

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1/24/2018  9:22 PM
We win 34-35 that’s it. We need a bona fide 5 if either KOQ and Kanter are gone or Wily and KOQ
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1/24/2018  10:18 PM
Knixkik wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
Nalod wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:33-36 wins seems about right. We need 2 forwards, a combo guard, and a versatile mobile yet strong PF/C.

We have our *lotto pick* and 2nd rounders. We can possibly fill 2 of these needs in the draft. And realistically will probably really need 2 offseason to fill in all the needs and develop the talent to where we need everyone to be.

KP and Hardaway are the scorers. Frank & KP bring defensive potential. We need more length, defense, & skill at the forward positions. Would also like the needed combo guard to provide length as well. The goal is to build an identity. Since we have drafted Frank to pair with KP for the future. The identity is pretty clear in order to maximize.

This is a loaded big man draft as well. Would probably be able to find Kanter's future replacement and KPs long term running mate if the talent is to good to pass up where we draft at first or 2nd round.

Agree. Think the plan may be to get rid of money this year so that we can go after a SF in free agency. May Have Willy, KP, Timmy and Frank starting next year alongside a FA SF pickup. Would have Jack as back up PG, Doug as back up SG, Beas (If we can sign him) as back up PF and think LT stays and backs up at the SF next year. Meaning we need a SF and possible SG/PG backup in the draft. Would then need a back up C free agency as well. But again, depends if we dump Lee. Kanter and KO at deadline.

KO and Kanter can walk so its not given we can "dump" them.
Im not expecting much change or much in return. Team that wants them either is burning a pick or yoot for a run or
would expect to resign them. Otherwise they can just sign them in the summer.
If they want us to take back money.....well then what they offering?

Dont think that Kanter is walking from close to $19M. KO will walk and Knicks know they wont be able to pay for the increase in his value, so its best to get a draft pick back.

True, most expiring are for playoff runs and will typically give back a draft pick or expect you to take back a bad contract with a good asset. Think Knicks prefer draft picks.

Still interesting as to direction they will go. There are many story lines. Beasley has played into larger contract, do they try to resign him or trade him for a pick now? Lee is our best value but may have his highest trade value right right now and ofcourse Timmy plays the same position. Kanter is young but owed $19M and suspect of Defense. Willy is young but seems out of favor lately. Some tough decisions. Adn of course it all depends on offers.

I hope Kanter opts in. Gives us another year to evaluate options, and we aren't going to be significantly under the cap this summer even if he opted out. I really think we need another year to determine who is a long-term fit besides KP, Frank, and Hardaway.

If Kanter opts out and Knicks don't bring back KOQ, McD, Jack, Beas they'd be right around $80M.

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1/24/2018  10:50 PM
Unless we luck into a superstar in the draft this franchise is doomed, The Noah contract has broken any chance at building a winner with Porzingis here. Soon he will be maxed out and that will be the end. Get ready for 40-45 win seasons for the next decade
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1/24/2018  11:01 PM
martin wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
Nalod wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:33-36 wins seems about right. We need 2 forwards, a combo guard, and a versatile mobile yet strong PF/C.

We have our *lotto pick* and 2nd rounders. We can possibly fill 2 of these needs in the draft. And realistically will probably really need 2 offseason to fill in all the needs and develop the talent to where we need everyone to be.

KP and Hardaway are the scorers. Frank & KP bring defensive potential. We need more length, defense, & skill at the forward positions. Would also like the needed combo guard to provide length as well. The goal is to build an identity. Since we have drafted Frank to pair with KP for the future. The identity is pretty clear in order to maximize.

This is a loaded big man draft as well. Would probably be able to find Kanter's future replacement and KPs long term running mate if the talent is to good to pass up where we draft at first or 2nd round.

Agree. Think the plan may be to get rid of money this year so that we can go after a SF in free agency. May Have Willy, KP, Timmy and Frank starting next year alongside a FA SF pickup. Would have Jack as back up PG, Doug as back up SG, Beas (If we can sign him) as back up PF and think LT stays and backs up at the SF next year. Meaning we need a SF and possible SG/PG backup in the draft. Would then need a back up C free agency as well. But again, depends if we dump Lee. Kanter and KO at deadline.

KO and Kanter can walk so its not given we can "dump" them.
Im not expecting much change or much in return. Team that wants them either is burning a pick or yoot for a run or
would expect to resign them. Otherwise they can just sign them in the summer.
If they want us to take back money.....well then what they offering?

Dont think that Kanter is walking from close to $19M. KO will walk and Knicks know they wont be able to pay for the increase in his value, so its best to get a draft pick back.

True, most expiring are for playoff runs and will typically give back a draft pick or expect you to take back a bad contract with a good asset. Think Knicks prefer draft picks.

Still interesting as to direction they will go. There are many story lines. Beasley has played into larger contract, do they try to resign him or trade him for a pick now? Lee is our best value but may have his highest trade value right right now and ofcourse Timmy plays the same position. Kanter is young but owed $19M and suspect of Defense. Willy is young but seems out of favor lately. Some tough decisions. Adn of course it all depends on offers.

I hope Kanter opts in. Gives us another year to evaluate options, and we aren't going to be significantly under the cap this summer even if he opted out. I really think we need another year to determine who is a long-term fit besides KP, Frank, and Hardaway.

If Kanter opts out and Knicks don't bring back KOQ, McD, Jack, Beas they'd be right around $80M.

Right. So we would have enough cap space to bring in 1 significant piece, but not a max type player. I would rather bring back Beasley at a team friendly deal, and let Baker and Thomas expire (Thomas isn't guaranteed in his final year), and stretch Noah and have cap space for Kawhi, Klay, Middleton, etc.

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1/24/2018  11:36 PM
Knixkik wrote:
martin wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
Nalod wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:33-36 wins seems about right. We need 2 forwards, a combo guard, and a versatile mobile yet strong PF/C.

We have our *lotto pick* and 2nd rounders. We can possibly fill 2 of these needs in the draft. And realistically will probably really need 2 offseason to fill in all the needs and develop the talent to where we need everyone to be.

KP and Hardaway are the scorers. Frank & KP bring defensive potential. We need more length, defense, & skill at the forward positions. Would also like the needed combo guard to provide length as well. The goal is to build an identity. Since we have drafted Frank to pair with KP for the future. The identity is pretty clear in order to maximize.

This is a loaded big man draft as well. Would probably be able to find Kanter's future replacement and KPs long term running mate if the talent is to good to pass up where we draft at first or 2nd round.

Agree. Think the plan may be to get rid of money this year so that we can go after a SF in free agency. May Have Willy, KP, Timmy and Frank starting next year alongside a FA SF pickup. Would have Jack as back up PG, Doug as back up SG, Beas (If we can sign him) as back up PF and think LT stays and backs up at the SF next year. Meaning we need a SF and possible SG/PG backup in the draft. Would then need a back up C free agency as well. But again, depends if we dump Lee. Kanter and KO at deadline.

KO and Kanter can walk so its not given we can "dump" them.
Im not expecting much change or much in return. Team that wants them either is burning a pick or yoot for a run or
would expect to resign them. Otherwise they can just sign them in the summer.
If they want us to take back money.....well then what they offering?

Dont think that Kanter is walking from close to $19M. KO will walk and Knicks know they wont be able to pay for the increase in his value, so its best to get a draft pick back.

True, most expiring are for playoff runs and will typically give back a draft pick or expect you to take back a bad contract with a good asset. Think Knicks prefer draft picks.

Still interesting as to direction they will go. There are many story lines. Beasley has played into larger contract, do they try to resign him or trade him for a pick now? Lee is our best value but may have his highest trade value right right now and ofcourse Timmy plays the same position. Kanter is young but owed $19M and suspect of Defense. Willy is young but seems out of favor lately. Some tough decisions. Adn of course it all depends on offers.

I hope Kanter opts in. Gives us another year to evaluate options, and we aren't going to be significantly under the cap this summer even if he opted out. I really think we need another year to determine who is a long-term fit besides KP, Frank, and Hardaway.

If Kanter opts out and Knicks don't bring back KOQ, McD, Jack, Beas they'd be right around $80M.

Right. So we would have enough cap space to bring in 1 significant piece, but not a max type player. I would rather bring back Beasley at a team friendly deal, and let Baker and Thomas expire (Thomas isn't guaranteed in his final year), and stretch Noah and have cap space for Kawhi, Klay, Middleton, etc.

Lee's contract is key. Trade him this year or next and you have plenty of space without needing to stretch Noah if Knicks manage cap smartly.

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1/24/2018  11:37 PM
Jmpasq wrote:Unless we luck into a superstar in the draft this franchise is doomed, The Noah contract has broken any chance at building a winner with Porzingis here. Soon he will be maxed out and that will be the end. Get ready for 40-45 win seasons for the next decade

lol why do you even bother watching Knicks? your pessimism consumes you to no end.

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1/25/2018  12:49 AM
HofstraBBall wrote:Not a SF but maybe a guy we can play if the thought is KP at 5

2 players on the same team who might be good draft picks between 7-12 Carter and Trent. Trent reminds me a bit of Booker---a guy who came on but was still overshadowed and Carter would be a top 5 pick if he was on another team. Both have the bodies and skills. Watch closer to the draft--I dont think people are on Trent high enough but hes a lottery pick.

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1/25/2018  11:03 AM
If we can get another 1st rd pick out of this in the 16-22 area

Right now my draft would be

# 10 C Wendell Carter 6-11 260 C Knicks starting C--has great experience playing two big and has the body athleticism and defense to pair with KP

# 21 Chandler Hutchinson 6-8 200 F-G Knicks back up G-F depends if we have another pick or not where we are picking--would be willing to take him first.

# 37 Jalen Brunson 6-2 200 PG Knicks back up PG Steady winner doesnt turn it over plays super hard

# 44 Kates Diop 6-8 200 F D league good developmental F


undrafted D league Isaac Haas 7-1 290 C
undrafted D League Rob Gray 6-1 190 PG

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1/25/2018  12:08 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/25/2018  12:09 PM
I'll be happy if we end up with no more than 30 wins.
KP made a big jump to the all star level.
Timmy proved he was a good starting wing.
Frank got key minutes.

We need more talent and that is where the lottery can really help us.

We are two players away one can be the draft pick
Other can maybe be a free agent

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1/25/2018  12:14 PM
martin wrote:
Jmpasq wrote:Unless we luck into a superstar in the draft this franchise is doomed, The Noah contract has broken any chance at building a winner with Porzingis here. Soon he will be maxed out and that will be the end. Get ready for 40-45 win seasons for the next decade

lol why do you even bother watching Knicks? your pessimism consumes you to no end.

Its a broekn phucking record. Trade KP for picks, Noah has doomed us, there is zero chance unless all our 2nd rounders become Draymond Green, etc etc EVERY THREAD. I mean if your outlook is grim I get it... Its been tough being a Knick fan. Pessimism has its place but there seems like a lot of straight up misery mixing in there as well.

Maybe we need to just take this guy out for beers and mom's special brownies?

You have new management here. The main part of that is Perry who while under Dumars:
traded for Ben Wallace
traded for Sheed
drafted Prince late in the first round
traded Stackhouse and got Rip Hamilton back
Signed Billups using the MLE
Drafted Okur in the 2nd round

Do I expect that here? One never can.. every year and team and set of circumstances is different.

Does Scott Perry have the first hand experience of builting a champion without being gifted franchise players in the draft? He sure does. Think about those teams. They had no Lebron or Klay/Curry/Draymond to build around. That added parts, many spare parts and built something.

Give the guy some time. This isnt a Dolan hire. That alone should buy some time. In a chat with an old poster from this board he said "Phil definitely left us with a variety pack of awesome **** and terrible ****."

I think that sums it up perfectly. Point is there are things to work with and far worse holes have been dug out of.

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1/25/2018  2:06 PM
martin wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
Nalod wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:33-36 wins seems about right. We need 2 forwards, a combo guard, and a versatile mobile yet strong PF/C.

We have our *lotto pick* and 2nd rounders. We can possibly fill 2 of these needs in the draft. And realistically will probably really need 2 offseason to fill in all the needs and develop the talent to where we need everyone to be.

KP and Hardaway are the scorers. Frank & KP bring defensive potential. We need more length, defense, & skill at the forward positions. Would also like the needed combo guard to provide length as well. The goal is to build an identity. Since we have drafted Frank to pair with KP for the future. The identity is pretty clear in order to maximize.

This is a loaded big man draft as well. Would probably be able to find Kanter's future replacement and KPs long term running mate if the talent is to good to pass up where we draft at first or 2nd round.

Agree. Think the plan may be to get rid of money this year so that we can go after a SF in free agency. May Have Willy, KP, Timmy and Frank starting next year alongside a FA SF pickup. Would have Jack as back up PG, Doug as back up SG, Beas (If we can sign him) as back up PF and think LT stays and backs up at the SF next year. Meaning we need a SF and possible SG/PG backup in the draft. Would then need a back up C free agency as well. But again, depends if we dump Lee. Kanter and KO at deadline.

KO and Kanter can walk so its not given we can "dump" them.
Im not expecting much change or much in return. Team that wants them either is burning a pick or yoot for a run or
would expect to resign them. Otherwise they can just sign them in the summer.
If they want us to take back money.....well then what they offering?

Dont think that Kanter is walking from close to $19M. KO will walk and Knicks know they wont be able to pay for the increase in his value, so its best to get a draft pick back.

True, most expiring are for playoff runs and will typically give back a draft pick or expect you to take back a bad contract with a good asset. Think Knicks prefer draft picks.

Still interesting as to direction they will go. There are many story lines. Beasley has played into larger contract, do they try to resign him or trade him for a pick now? Lee is our best value but may have his highest trade value right right now and ofcourse Timmy plays the same position. Kanter is young but owed $19M and suspect of Defense. Willy is young but seems out of favor lately. Some tough decisions. Adn of course it all depends on offers.

I hope Kanter opts in. Gives us another year to evaluate options, and we aren't going to be significantly under the cap this summer even if he opted out. I really think we need another year to determine who is a long-term fit besides KP, Frank, and Hardaway.

If Kanter opts out and Knicks don't bring back KOQ, McD, Jack, Beas they'd be right around $80M.

This. Interesting to see what happens with Doug. Only $4.5 next year but bigger cap hit.

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1/25/2018  2:19 PM
fishmike wrote:Way too early to tell. Let see what happens at the deadline. A trade could energize us, or it could deflate us.

Of the guys you mentioned what do you think of Vanderbilt? If there is a "type" of player I would covet in this draft its a long defensive 3. Some combo of Ariza and Tayshaun Prince.

There's a long skilled PG/SG type at Oregon... Troy Brown. That program places a big emphasis on defense but I have no time to watch college and havent had a chance to see him much.

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1/25/2018  2:23 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/25/2018  2:29 PM
BRIGGS wrote:If we can get another 1st rd pick out of this in the 16-22 area

Right now my draft would be

# 10 C Wendell Carter 6-11 260 C Knicks starting C--has great experience playing two big and has the body athleticism and defense to pair with KP

# 21 Chandler Hutchinson 6-8 200 F-G Knicks back up G-F depends if we have another pick or not where we are picking--would be willing to take him first.

# 37 Jalen Brunson 6-2 200 PG Knicks back up PG Steady winner doesnt turn it over plays super hard

# 44 Kates Diop 6-8 200 F D league good developmental F


undrafted D league Isaac Haas 7-1 290 C
undrafted D League Rob Gray 6-1 190 PG

Funny Espn has us taking Collin Sexton

My Euro, Fan favorite, Kanter/Gasol like pick:

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1/25/2018  2:32 PM
HofstraBBall wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:If we can get another 1st rd pick out of this in the 16-22 area

Right now my draft would be

# 10 C Wendell Carter 6-11 260 C Knicks starting C--has great experience playing two big and has the body athleticism and defense to pair with KP

# 21 Chandler Hutchinson 6-8 200 F-G Knicks back up G-F depends if we have another pick or not where we are picking--would be willing to take him first.

# 37 Jalen Brunson 6-2 200 PG Knicks back up PG Steady winner doesnt turn it over plays super hard

# 44 Kates Diop 6-8 200 F D league good developmental F


undrafted D league Isaac Haas 7-1 290 C
undrafted D League Rob Gray 6-1 190 PG

Funny Espn has us taking Collin Sexton


Yeah and NBAdraft.net has us taking Wendell Carter. ESPN also has Mikal Bridges and Miles Bridges being drafted in our general vicinity. Hutchinson has shot up just outside the lottery and will probably land inside it by the time the season ends. It doesn't look he's a sleeper anymore.
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HofstraBBall wrote:Interesting to see what happens with Doug. Only $4.5 next year but bigger cap hit.

Yeah, did some poking to see if the eye test matched stats on Doug and it played out for me.... he is not really shooting well as a Knick even though his eFG% is fairly high.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/mcderdo01.html

Solid overall effective fg % of 56% but just a cursory look at his numbers by distance and how many shots he is taking from different ranges suggest that he is making his layups (all those cuts and passes fro KOQ), making a very solid 3pt range of 41% but outside of layups and 3pt range... he sucks.


range: %
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3-10: 29%
10-16: 38%
16 <3: 27%

about 25% of his total shot are not layups and 3pt'ers, and he sucks at them. Probably should go to the G league to regain his confidence and whatnot, but I can't tell if Doug is having an off year or if his shot is just not good at the NBA level.

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martin wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
martin wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
Nalod wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:33-36 wins seems about right. We need 2 forwards, a combo guard, and a versatile mobile yet strong PF/C.

We have our *lotto pick* and 2nd rounders. We can possibly fill 2 of these needs in the draft. And realistically will probably really need 2 offseason to fill in all the needs and develop the talent to where we need everyone to be.

KP and Hardaway are the scorers. Frank & KP bring defensive potential. We need more length, defense, & skill at the forward positions. Would also like the needed combo guard to provide length as well. The goal is to build an identity. Since we have drafted Frank to pair with KP for the future. The identity is pretty clear in order to maximize.

This is a loaded big man draft as well. Would probably be able to find Kanter's future replacement and KPs long term running mate if the talent is to good to pass up where we draft at first or 2nd round.

Agree. Think the plan may be to get rid of money this year so that we can go after a SF in free agency. May Have Willy, KP, Timmy and Frank starting next year alongside a FA SF pickup. Would have Jack as back up PG, Doug as back up SG, Beas (If we can sign him) as back up PF and think LT stays and backs up at the SF next year. Meaning we need a SF and possible SG/PG backup in the draft. Would then need a back up C free agency as well. But again, depends if we dump Lee. Kanter and KO at deadline.

KO and Kanter can walk so its not given we can "dump" them.
Im not expecting much change or much in return. Team that wants them either is burning a pick or yoot for a run or
would expect to resign them. Otherwise they can just sign them in the summer.
If they want us to take back money.....well then what they offering?

Dont think that Kanter is walking from close to $19M. KO will walk and Knicks know they wont be able to pay for the increase in his value, so its best to get a draft pick back.

True, most expiring are for playoff runs and will typically give back a draft pick or expect you to take back a bad contract with a good asset. Think Knicks prefer draft picks.

Still interesting as to direction they will go. There are many story lines. Beasley has played into larger contract, do they try to resign him or trade him for a pick now? Lee is our best value but may have his highest trade value right right now and ofcourse Timmy plays the same position. Kanter is young but owed $19M and suspect of Defense. Willy is young but seems out of favor lately. Some tough decisions. Adn of course it all depends on offers.

I hope Kanter opts in. Gives us another year to evaluate options, and we aren't going to be significantly under the cap this summer even if he opted out. I really think we need another year to determine who is a long-term fit besides KP, Frank, and Hardaway.

If Kanter opts out and Knicks don't bring back KOQ, McD, Jack, Beas they'd be right around $80M.

Right. So we would have enough cap space to bring in 1 significant piece, but not a max type player. I would rather bring back Beasley at a team friendly deal, and let Baker and Thomas expire (Thomas isn't guaranteed in his final year), and stretch Noah and have cap space for Kawhi, Klay, Middleton, etc.

Lee's contract is key. Trade him this year or next and you have plenty of space without needing to stretch Noah if Knicks manage cap smartly.


Yes that's right. I want to keep him as long as possible, but we can trade him any time. He is a tradeable contract and will only be 2 more years after this. Easily movable if and when we need to.
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1/25/2018  4:26 PM
Knixkik wrote:
martin wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
martin wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
Nalod wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:33-36 wins seems about right. We need 2 forwards, a combo guard, and a versatile mobile yet strong PF/C.

We have our *lotto pick* and 2nd rounders. We can possibly fill 2 of these needs in the draft. And realistically will probably really need 2 offseason to fill in all the needs and develop the talent to where we need everyone to be.

KP and Hardaway are the scorers. Frank & KP bring defensive potential. We need more length, defense, & skill at the forward positions. Would also like the needed combo guard to provide length as well. The goal is to build an identity. Since we have drafted Frank to pair with KP for the future. The identity is pretty clear in order to maximize.

This is a loaded big man draft as well. Would probably be able to find Kanter's future replacement and KPs long term running mate if the talent is to good to pass up where we draft at first or 2nd round.

Agree. Think the plan may be to get rid of money this year so that we can go after a SF in free agency. May Have Willy, KP, Timmy and Frank starting next year alongside a FA SF pickup. Would have Jack as back up PG, Doug as back up SG, Beas (If we can sign him) as back up PF and think LT stays and backs up at the SF next year. Meaning we need a SF and possible SG/PG backup in the draft. Would then need a back up C free agency as well. But again, depends if we dump Lee. Kanter and KO at deadline.

KO and Kanter can walk so its not given we can "dump" them.
Im not expecting much change or much in return. Team that wants them either is burning a pick or yoot for a run or
would expect to resign them. Otherwise they can just sign them in the summer.
If they want us to take back money.....well then what they offering?

Dont think that Kanter is walking from close to $19M. KO will walk and Knicks know they wont be able to pay for the increase in his value, so its best to get a draft pick back.

True, most expiring are for playoff runs and will typically give back a draft pick or expect you to take back a bad contract with a good asset. Think Knicks prefer draft picks.

Still interesting as to direction they will go. There are many story lines. Beasley has played into larger contract, do they try to resign him or trade him for a pick now? Lee is our best value but may have his highest trade value right right now and ofcourse Timmy plays the same position. Kanter is young but owed $19M and suspect of Defense. Willy is young but seems out of favor lately. Some tough decisions. Adn of course it all depends on offers.

I hope Kanter opts in. Gives us another year to evaluate options, and we aren't going to be significantly under the cap this summer even if he opted out. I really think we need another year to determine who is a long-term fit besides KP, Frank, and Hardaway.

If Kanter opts out and Knicks don't bring back KOQ, McD, Jack, Beas they'd be right around $80M.

Right. So we would have enough cap space to bring in 1 significant piece, but not a max type player. I would rather bring back Beasley at a team friendly deal, and let Baker and Thomas expire (Thomas isn't guaranteed in his final year), and stretch Noah and have cap space for Kawhi, Klay, Middleton, etc.

Lee's contract is key. Trade him this year or next and you have plenty of space without needing to stretch Noah if Knicks manage cap smartly.


Yes that's right. I want to keep him as long as possible, but we can trade him any time. He is a tradeable contract and will only be 2 more years after this. Easily movable if and when we need to.

man, Lee's passing sucks but he has played solidly. Hope he keeps it up.

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1/26/2018  9:32 AM    LAST EDITED: 1/26/2018  9:42 AM
martin wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
martin wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
martin wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
Nalod wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:33-36 wins seems about right. We need 2 forwards, a combo guard, and a versatile mobile yet strong PF/C.

We have our *lotto pick* and 2nd rounders. We can possibly fill 2 of these needs in the draft. And realistically will probably really need 2 offseason to fill in all the needs and develop the talent to where we need everyone to be.

KP and Hardaway are the scorers. Frank & KP bring defensive potential. We need more length, defense, & skill at the forward positions. Would also like the needed combo guard to provide length as well. The goal is to build an identity. Since we have drafted Frank to pair with KP for the future. The identity is pretty clear in order to maximize.

This is a loaded big man draft as well. Would probably be able to find Kanter's future replacement and KPs long term running mate if the talent is to good to pass up where we draft at first or 2nd round.

Agree. Think the plan may be to get rid of money this year so that we can go after a SF in free agency. May Have Willy, KP, Timmy and Frank starting next year alongside a FA SF pickup. Would have Jack as back up PG, Doug as back up SG, Beas (If we can sign him) as back up PF and think LT stays and backs up at the SF next year. Meaning we need a SF and possible SG/PG backup in the draft. Would then need a back up C free agency as well. But again, depends if we dump Lee. Kanter and KO at deadline.

KO and Kanter can walk so its not given we can "dump" them.
Im not expecting much change or much in return. Team that wants them either is burning a pick or yoot for a run or
would expect to resign them. Otherwise they can just sign them in the summer.
If they want us to take back money.....well then what they offering?

Dont think that Kanter is walking from close to $19M. KO will walk and Knicks know they wont be able to pay for the increase in his value, so its best to get a draft pick back.

True, most expiring are for playoff runs and will typically give back a draft pick or expect you to take back a bad contract with a good asset. Think Knicks prefer draft picks.

Still interesting as to direction they will go. There are many story lines. Beasley has played into larger contract, do they try to resign him or trade him for a pick now? Lee is our best value but may have his highest trade value right right now and ofcourse Timmy plays the same position. Kanter is young but owed $19M and suspect of Defense. Willy is young but seems out of favor lately. Some tough decisions. Adn of course it all depends on offers.

I hope Kanter opts in. Gives us another year to evaluate options, and we aren't going to be significantly under the cap this summer even if he opted out. I really think we need another year to determine who is a long-term fit besides KP, Frank, and Hardaway.

If Kanter opts out and Knicks don't bring back KOQ, McD, Jack, Beas they'd be right around $80M.

Right. So we would have enough cap space to bring in 1 significant piece, but not a max type player. I would rather bring back Beasley at a team friendly deal, and let Baker and Thomas expire (Thomas isn't guaranteed in his final year), and stretch Noah and have cap space for Kawhi, Klay, Middleton, etc.

Lee's contract is key. Trade him this year or next and you have plenty of space without needing to stretch Noah if Knicks manage cap smartly.


Yes that's right. I want to keep him as long as possible, but we can trade him any time. He is a tradeable contract and will only be 2 more years after this. Easily movable if and when we need to.

man, Lee's passing sucks but he has played solidly. Hope he keeps it up.

This is an important question. Lee has played so well this year. If we wait until next year and he has a year like 2016, his value will drop considerably. If the FO is in a true rebuild phase, they need to trade him for picks before the trade deadline.

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