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1/23/2018  2:31 PM
Here's my ringing endorsement of the Noah signing:
Nobody here will say Noah isn't a great player (when healthy) or that he cant help (when healthy), the problem is he averages 63 games a year over his 9 year career. That means on average he misses a month and half of games every year.
If we added another young and durable guy like Batum this is much easier to stomach. If we are counting on both Rose/Noah to have good years well you can ask Bull fan's how that has worked out
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1/23/2018  2:52 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/23/2018  3:01 PM
Uptown wrote:
Nalod wrote:Jordan and Kobe were Triangle guys. Would then not succeed in other systems?
This "triangle pick" seems nonsensical as it has no basis other than extending Phil's legacy.
KP was a trangle pick. Is that the reason why he is a "failure" avg 24 and 7, leads league in blocks at age 22?
This taint of "Triangle" is silly.

Ridiculous statement!!! Kobe and Jordan would flourish in any offense....PNR, ISO, Flex, Motion, Sphere...

KP was the best player available which is why he was and should have been picked, regardless of system. Frank was not the best player available at 8 which speaks volumes of the motivation of that pick.

Dude, that was my point. "Would they not succeed in any other system"? Of course they would!
Yes, KP was the best player in what was a 4 player draft and it was a bit of luck he fell as he did. But.....we had lots of needs and Phil might have found a deal for a player and a lessor pick. WE don't know what was on the table so we can't say it was good or not.

I think at 45 games in to say Frank was not the best player is a bit shortsighted. Mitchell and smith are very good players. In 5 years Frank will be 24, the others 25. Then we can really make a call. Fact is one can brood every year as there is always one or two players that go after and are the better picks. In fact, Frank might be another teams lament at another time as well!
BUt if you want to call it after 45 games, then its your prerogative.
Hofstra likes being "right".....If the "Battle" is "who is the best player after 45 games?" then Mitchell trumps a lot of guys that went before Frank. Ball is not impressive and seems Lakes are playing better without him. If so, then "Ball is a bust"!!

Knicks1248: 1. Dolan should be more involved! 2. Why would any knick fan want pick 8, when that spot has a history of producing marginal NBA taken. (He prefers pick 9th instead)
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1/23/2018  2:52 PM
HofstraBBall wrote:
Funny how Phil was unable to build around Melo but Grunwald and Mills did a couple of years before. And who scrapped it after one losing season due to injuries? And by Vets do you mean broken down players clinging to the NBA and hoping to get a paycheck from the Knicks. Please name those vets and strong roster players put around Melo. Or should i post the list of elustrious team mates he had here, again?

Btw. Melo is ranked 38 on defense. Probably one of the best PF defenders in the league. He has also been extremely unselfish in his role. OKC has beat GS and Cavs in games where he was the catalyst. Probably sweep all the way through the finals. Melo is about to pass the great Jerry West for 24th in All time scoring. Three to the head Mike!

But you are right about one thing, Phil showed how bad he was by giving Melo a NTC. And thanks for pointing out yet another thing you were wrong about and Phil/Dolan did wrong.

Wow... Ive been talking hoops with someone who thinks Melo is one of the best defenders in the league. I think you might have mis-read that one dude... Melo is probably ranked 38th among PFs.

http://www.82games.com/1718/17OKC12.HTM

Melo isnt stopping anything. His counterpart has an EFG% of .551
By comparison Melo has an EFG% of .491

Whoever lines up against Melo at the 4 is better in literally every stat with one exception. Shooting VOLUME


But yea... back to topic:
Stats:
http://www.82games.com/1718/17NYK4.HTM
Opposing PGs have an EFG% of .409 vs. Frank. This is statistical proof that Frank's defense is indeed elite. That is what he's shown as a 19 y/o rookie and the main reason he was drafted. Potential as a true defensive stopper at PG. Now Frank's offense has sucked. Is that fixable? Can he grow into a better offensive player? Time will tell. Some HOPE that he will get better on offense? He's shown it in the past, his shooting motion mechanics look good and his court vision also looks good. He makes tons of mistakes.

Here's Smith
http://www.82games.com/1718/17DAL2.HTM

What do YOU see in those #s?

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1/23/2018  5:13 PM
I see Frank doing a double triple tonight and the losing team
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1/23/2018  8:22 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/23/2018  8:39 PM
fishmike wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
Funny how Phil was unable to build around Melo but Grunwald and Mills did a couple of years before. And who scrapped it after one losing season due to injuries? And by Vets do you mean broken down players clinging to the NBA and hoping to get a paycheck from the Knicks. Please name those vets and strong roster players put around Melo. Or should i post the list of elustrious team mates he had here, again?

Btw. Melo is ranked 38 on defense. Probably one of the best PF defenders in the league. He has also been extremely unselfish in his role. OKC has beat GS and Cavs in games where he was the catalyst. Probably sweep all the way through the finals. Melo is about to pass the great Jerry West for 24th in All time scoring. Three to the head Mike!

But you are right about one thing, Phil showed how bad he was by giving Melo a NTC. And thanks for pointing out yet another thing you were wrong about and Phil/Dolan did wrong.

Wow... Ive been talking hoops with someone who thinks Melo is one of the best defenders in the league. I think you might have mis-read that one dude... Melo is probably ranked 38th among PFs.

http://www.82games.com/1718/17OKC12.HTM

Melo isnt stopping anything. His counterpart has an EFG% of .551
By comparison Melo has an EFG% of .491

Whoever lines up against Melo at the 4 is better in literally every stat with one exception. Shooting VOLUME


But yea... back to topic:
Stats:
http://www.82games.com/1718/17NYK4.HTM
Opposing PGs have an EFG% of .409 vs. Frank. This is statistical proof that Frank's defense is indeed elite. That is what he's shown as a 19 y/o rookie and the main reason he was drafted. Potential as a true defensive stopper at PG. Now Frank's offense has sucked. Is that fixable? Can he grow into a better offensive player? Time will tell. Some HOPE that he will get better on offense? He's shown it in the past, his shooting motion mechanics look good and his court vision also looks good. He makes tons of mistakes.

Here's Smith
http://www.82games.com/1718/17DAL2.HTM

What do YOU see in those #s?

Try a lesser known site;

https://stats.nba.com/players/defense/?sort=DEF_WS&dir=-1

Btw. Eventhough STATS say it so, (36) Melo is not a good defender. But funny to see how it prompted your lengthy response.

Wait, please show me where I said Smith is a better defender? If you paid attention more it would save you some time responding.

Here are their numbers so far. But your right, it's only using the criteria MOST care about.

http://stats.nba.com/vs/#!/?PlayerID=1628372&VsPlayerID=1628373

Smith leads in dimes [you said he does not pass]
He leads in blocks
He leads in Rebounds.
.1 behind in steals.
Almost three times the points.

But Frank is better....BECAUSE Fish said so.

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1/24/2018  9:47 AM
HofstraBBall wrote:
fishmike wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
Funny how Phil was unable to build around Melo but Grunwald and Mills did a couple of years before. And who scrapped it after one losing season due to injuries? And by Vets do you mean broken down players clinging to the NBA and hoping to get a paycheck from the Knicks. Please name those vets and strong roster players put around Melo. Or should i post the list of elustrious team mates he had here, again?

Btw. Melo is ranked 38 on defense. Probably one of the best PF defenders in the league. He has also been extremely unselfish in his role. OKC has beat GS and Cavs in games where he was the catalyst. Probably sweep all the way through the finals. Melo is about to pass the great Jerry West for 24th in All time scoring. Three to the head Mike!

But you are right about one thing, Phil showed how bad he was by giving Melo a NTC. And thanks for pointing out yet another thing you were wrong about and Phil/Dolan did wrong.

Wow... Ive been talking hoops with someone who thinks Melo is one of the best defenders in the league. I think you might have mis-read that one dude... Melo is probably ranked 38th among PFs.

http://www.82games.com/1718/17OKC12.HTM

Melo isnt stopping anything. His counterpart has an EFG% of .551
By comparison Melo has an EFG% of .491

Whoever lines up against Melo at the 4 is better in literally every stat with one exception. Shooting VOLUME


But yea... back to topic:
Stats:
http://www.82games.com/1718/17NYK4.HTM
Opposing PGs have an EFG% of .409 vs. Frank. This is statistical proof that Frank's defense is indeed elite. That is what he's shown as a 19 y/o rookie and the main reason he was drafted. Potential as a true defensive stopper at PG. Now Frank's offense has sucked. Is that fixable? Can he grow into a better offensive player? Time will tell. Some HOPE that he will get better on offense? He's shown it in the past, his shooting motion mechanics look good and his court vision also looks good. He makes tons of mistakes.

Here's Smith
http://www.82games.com/1718/17DAL2.HTM

What do YOU see in those #s?

Try a lesser known site;

https://stats.nba.com/players/defense/?sort=DEF_WS&dir=-1

Btw. Eventhough STATS say it so, (36) Melo is not a good defender. But funny to see how it prompted your lengthy response.

Wait, please show me where I said Smith is a better defender? If you paid attention more it would save you some time responding.

Here are their numbers so far. But your right, it's only using the criteria MOST care about.

http://stats.nba.com/vs/#!/?PlayerID=1628372&VsPlayerID=1628373

Smith leads in dimes [you said he does not pass]
He leads in blocks
He leads in Rebounds.
.1 behind in steals.
Almost three times the points.

But Frank is better....BECAUSE Fish said so.

I concede... you win. DSjr is clearly a better prospect than Frank with his 2nd round talent. I am a Knick fan so Im emotionally biased and a bit of a homer. You win.
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1/24/2018  10:01 AM
fishmike wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
fishmike wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
Funny how Phil was unable to build around Melo but Grunwald and Mills did a couple of years before. And who scrapped it after one losing season due to injuries? And by Vets do you mean broken down players clinging to the NBA and hoping to get a paycheck from the Knicks. Please name those vets and strong roster players put around Melo. Or should i post the list of elustrious team mates he had here, again?

Btw. Melo is ranked 38 on defense. Probably one of the best PF defenders in the league. He has also been extremely unselfish in his role. OKC has beat GS and Cavs in games where he was the catalyst. Probably sweep all the way through the finals. Melo is about to pass the great Jerry West for 24th in All time scoring. Three to the head Mike!

But you are right about one thing, Phil showed how bad he was by giving Melo a NTC. And thanks for pointing out yet another thing you were wrong about and Phil/Dolan did wrong.

Wow... Ive been talking hoops with someone who thinks Melo is one of the best defenders in the league. I think you might have mis-read that one dude... Melo is probably ranked 38th among PFs.

http://www.82games.com/1718/17OKC12.HTM

Melo isnt stopping anything. His counterpart has an EFG% of .551
By comparison Melo has an EFG% of .491

Whoever lines up against Melo at the 4 is better in literally every stat with one exception. Shooting VOLUME


But yea... back to topic:
Stats:
http://www.82games.com/1718/17NYK4.HTM
Opposing PGs have an EFG% of .409 vs. Frank. This is statistical proof that Frank's defense is indeed elite. That is what he's shown as a 19 y/o rookie and the main reason he was drafted. Potential as a true defensive stopper at PG. Now Frank's offense has sucked. Is that fixable? Can he grow into a better offensive player? Time will tell. Some HOPE that he will get better on offense? He's shown it in the past, his shooting motion mechanics look good and his court vision also looks good. He makes tons of mistakes.

Here's Smith
http://www.82games.com/1718/17DAL2.HTM

What do YOU see in those #s?

Try a lesser known site;

https://stats.nba.com/players/defense/?sort=DEF_WS&dir=-1

Btw. Eventhough STATS say it so, (36) Melo is not a good defender. But funny to see how it prompted your lengthy response.

Wait, please show me where I said Smith is a better defender? If you paid attention more it would save you some time responding.

Here are their numbers so far. But your right, it's only using the criteria MOST care about.

http://stats.nba.com/vs/#!/?PlayerID=1628372&VsPlayerID=1628373

Smith leads in dimes [you said he does not pass]
He leads in blocks
He leads in Rebounds.
.1 behind in steals.
Almost three times the points.

But Frank is better....BECAUSE Fish said so.

I concede... you win. DSjr is clearly a better prospect than Frank with his 2nd round talent. I am a Knick fan so Im emotionally biased and a bit of a homer. You win.

Fish....you not alone. I'm a knick fan and emotionally biased as well. We may need to start a Knicks Fan Anonymous (KFA)

We all need help!

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1/24/2018  10:42 AM    LAST EDITED: 1/24/2018  10:42 AM
fishmike wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
fishmike wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
Funny how Phil was unable to build around Melo but Grunwald and Mills did a couple of years before. And who scrapped it after one losing season due to injuries? And by Vets do you mean broken down players clinging to the NBA and hoping to get a paycheck from the Knicks. Please name those vets and strong roster players put around Melo. Or should i post the list of elustrious team mates he had here, again?

Btw. Melo is ranked 38 on defense. Probably one of the best PF defenders in the league. He has also been extremely unselfish in his role. OKC has beat GS and Cavs in games where he was the catalyst. Probably sweep all the way through the finals. Melo is about to pass the great Jerry West for 24th in All time scoring. Three to the head Mike!

But you are right about one thing, Phil showed how bad he was by giving Melo a NTC. And thanks for pointing out yet another thing you were wrong about and Phil/Dolan did wrong.

Wow... Ive been talking hoops with someone who thinks Melo is one of the best defenders in the league. I think you might have mis-read that one dude... Melo is probably ranked 38th among PFs.

http://www.82games.com/1718/17OKC12.HTM

Melo isnt stopping anything. His counterpart has an EFG% of .551
By comparison Melo has an EFG% of .491

Whoever lines up against Melo at the 4 is better in literally every stat with one exception. Shooting VOLUME


But yea... back to topic:
Stats:
http://www.82games.com/1718/17NYK4.HTM
Opposing PGs have an EFG% of .409 vs. Frank. This is statistical proof that Frank's defense is indeed elite. That is what he's shown as a 19 y/o rookie and the main reason he was drafted. Potential as a true defensive stopper at PG. Now Frank's offense has sucked. Is that fixable? Can he grow into a better offensive player? Time will tell. Some HOPE that he will get better on offense? He's shown it in the past, his shooting motion mechanics look good and his court vision also looks good. He makes tons of mistakes.

Here's Smith
http://www.82games.com/1718/17DAL2.HTM

What do YOU see in those #s?

Try a lesser known site;

https://stats.nba.com/players/defense/?sort=DEF_WS&dir=-1

Btw. Eventhough STATS say it so, (36) Melo is not a good defender. But funny to see how it prompted your lengthy response.

Wait, please show me where I said Smith is a better defender? If you paid attention more it would save you some time responding.

Here are their numbers so far. But your right, it's only using the criteria MOST care about.

http://stats.nba.com/vs/#!/?PlayerID=1628372&VsPlayerID=1628373

Smith leads in dimes [you said he does not pass]
He leads in blocks
He leads in Rebounds.
.1 behind in steals.
Almost three times the points.

But Frank is better....BECAUSE Fish said so.

I concede... you win. DSjr is clearly a better prospect than Frank with his 2nd round talent. I am a Knick fan so Im emotionally biased and a bit of a homer. You win.

Wait, so we debate a topic/thread. You can't prove your side and then resort to claiming the guy, who could prove his side, is not a real Knick fan? Hmmmm.

The topic was DSJ current overall play vs Franks. Not, who do we root for. But we can debate who is a bigger Knick fan if you like.

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1/24/2018  11:20 AM
Can't wait until the next young player we bring in, let him run into brick walls, then tell him to figure it out.

The knicks development process is like starting a new JOB with no training, they just put you out there with a little bit of info, and let you figure it out no matter how many times you fck up.

Some of you wonder why most of our young players get traded after their rookie yr. You let them develop bad habits, and when they can't figure it out, you give them away. It's kinda embarrassing how they are doing frank.

That poor kid know's he's not ready, the look in his eye, his body language, it's obvious and they just throw him to the wolves, i really feel sorry for him.

He suppose to be getting the minute trey burek is getting now

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1/24/2018  4:09 PM
fishmike wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
fishmike wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
Funny how Phil was unable to build around Melo but Grunwald and Mills did a couple of years before. And who scrapped it after one losing season due to injuries? And by Vets do you mean broken down players clinging to the NBA and hoping to get a paycheck from the Knicks. Please name those vets and strong roster players put around Melo. Or should i post the list of elustrious team mates he had here, again?

Btw. Melo is ranked 38 on defense. Probably one of the best PF defenders in the league. He has also been extremely unselfish in his role. OKC has beat GS and Cavs in games where he was the catalyst. Probably sweep all the way through the finals. Melo is about to pass the great Jerry West for 24th in All time scoring. Three to the head Mike!

But you are right about one thing, Phil showed how bad he was by giving Melo a NTC. And thanks for pointing out yet another thing you were wrong about and Phil/Dolan did wrong.

Wow... Ive been talking hoops with someone who thinks Melo is one of the best defenders in the league. I think you might have mis-read that one dude... Melo is probably ranked 38th among PFs.

http://www.82games.com/1718/17OKC12.HTM

Melo isnt stopping anything. His counterpart has an EFG% of .551
By comparison Melo has an EFG% of .491

Whoever lines up against Melo at the 4 is better in literally every stat with one exception. Shooting VOLUME


But yea... back to topic:
Stats:
http://www.82games.com/1718/17NYK4.HTM
Opposing PGs have an EFG% of .409 vs. Frank. This is statistical proof that Frank's defense is indeed elite. That is what he's shown as a 19 y/o rookie and the main reason he was drafted. Potential as a true defensive stopper at PG. Now Frank's offense has sucked. Is that fixable? Can he grow into a better offensive player? Time will tell. Some HOPE that he will get better on offense? He's shown it in the past, his shooting motion mechanics look good and his court vision also looks good. He makes tons of mistakes.

Here's Smith
http://www.82games.com/1718/17DAL2.HTM

What do YOU see in those #s?

Try a lesser known site;

https://stats.nba.com/players/defense/?sort=DEF_WS&dir=-1

Btw. Eventhough STATS say it so, (36) Melo is not a good defender. But funny to see how it prompted your lengthy response.

Wait, please show me where I said Smith is a better defender? If you paid attention more it would save you some time responding.

Here are their numbers so far. But your right, it's only using the criteria MOST care about.

http://stats.nba.com/vs/#!/?PlayerID=1628372&VsPlayerID=1628373

Smith leads in dimes [you said he does not pass]
He leads in blocks
He leads in Rebounds.
.1 behind in steals.
Almost three times the points.

But Frank is better....BECAUSE Fish said so.

I concede... you win. DSjr is clearly a better prospect than Frank with his 2nd round talent. I am a Knick fan so Im emotionally biased and a bit of a homer. You win.
No shame there. Smith was considered top 3 in this class before his injury and was still considered top 5 by some scouts and draft experts after it. Frank was ranked somewhere from 7-15.
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1/24/2018  6:55 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/24/2018  7:20 PM
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1/24/2018  7:23 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/24/2018  7:46 PM
nixluva wrote:

Wait...How many first year foreigners are there?

Congrats. Will be good a good experience for him to be at the All Star game. Hopefully he is following in KP's footsteps. Didnt he play in that last year?

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1/24/2018  7:45 PM
nixluva wrote:

Will be interesting to see him in that environment.

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1/24/2018  10:17 PM
First and second year players make the team.
Frank is the youngest. How will he do?
Shyt, he plays in the NBA!!!!
Knicks1248: 1. Dolan should be more involved! 2. Why would any knick fan want pick 8, when that spot has a history of producing marginal NBA taken. (He prefers pick 9th instead)
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As Clyde said he needs to work on his handle, which is troubling bc a point guard’s handling has to come at a young age. Frank needs to keep developing that jumper and be a defensive force. Hopefully the facilitator of the team is a point forward like Docic.
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TLover wrote:As Clyde said he needs to work on his handle, which is troubling bc a point guard’s handling has to come at a young age. Frank needs to keep developing that jumper and be a defensive force. Hopefully the facilitator of the team is a point forward like Docic.

You have to be aware of Progress. Frank has come a LONG way from where he was just last year when it comes to his handles. This is just one of those things that fans have to adjust to. Frank has been improving but since he's still in need of development some don't realize how much better he is already. Frank was a raw offensive player but had natural passing and defensive ability. The Knicks knew this when they drafted him. He's made progress from the start of the year to now and will continue to get better IMO.

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1/25/2018  10:08 AM
nixluva wrote:
TLover wrote:As Clyde said he needs to work on his handle, which is troubling bc a point guard’s handling has to come at a young age. Frank needs to keep developing that jumper and be a defensive force. Hopefully the facilitator of the team is a point forward like Docic.

You have to be aware of Progress. Frank has come a LONG way from where he was just last year when it comes to his handles. This is just one of those things that fans have to adjust to. Frank has been improving but since he's still in need of development some don't realize how much better he is already. Frank was a raw offensive player but had natural passing and defensive ability. The Knicks knew this when they drafted him. He's made progress from the start of the year to now and will continue to get better IMO.

If I remember right....Frank was not a full time PG on his team. So it makes since that he needs to improve is handles. But Frank is a Spurs type pick.....Good character and high basketball IQ. Now it's up to him and knick coaching staff to expand his skill set. Thats the part that troubles me.....NY is not the best place to develop young players. Which is why I thought a more confident established rookie player would be better to come in and impact right away. but we thought KP wasn't ready....so I'm willing to give Frank his time to develop. Time to focus on building a team around the young core. I'm curious to see how he looks with the other rookies and sophmores.

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1/25/2018  10:43 AM
nixluva wrote:
TLover wrote:As Clyde said he needs to work on his handle, which is troubling bc a point guard’s handling has to come at a young age. Frank needs to keep developing that jumper and be a defensive force. Hopefully the facilitator of the team is a point forward like Docic.

You have to be aware of Progress. Frank has come a LONG way from where he was just last year when it comes to his handles. This is just one of those things that fans have to adjust to. Frank has been improving but since he's still in need of development some don't realize how much better he is already. Frank was a raw offensive player but had natural passing and defensive ability. The Knicks knew this when they drafted him. He's made progress from the start of the year to now and will continue to get better IMO.

add to the bold he's 6'5 with a 7' wingspan and has hung with the fastest players in the league. The lack of patience and snap judgement on this thread are telling. Also Frank's best flashes have not come in meaningless games down 20. They have come in crunch time, 4th qtrs and wins against teams like Boston, NO, Indy and yes... he kills the Nets.

You dont judge a 19 year old rookie on consistency. Its just not a realistic expectation. But saying stuff like he's 2nd round talent is ludicrous, and what he's done against superior competition late in games has been incredibly impressive considering his age and background.

Is it enough? Of course not... he's wildly inconsistent and as tape comes out offensive players will attack him in different ways and he will have to adjust. This is just part of the maturation process... but there is a notion from some here that Frank has not shown what one would expect of an 8th pick and I just see something very different. Just my 2c

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1/25/2018  2:24 PM
blkexec wrote:
nixluva wrote:
TLover wrote:As Clyde said he needs to work on his handle, which is troubling bc a point guard’s handling has to come at a young age. Frank needs to keep developing that jumper and be a defensive force. Hopefully the facilitator of the team is a point forward like Docic.

You have to be aware of Progress. Frank has come a LONG way from where he was just last year when it comes to his handles. This is just one of those things that fans have to adjust to. Frank has been improving but since he's still in need of development some don't realize how much better he is already. Frank was a raw offensive player but had natural passing and defensive ability. The Knicks knew this when they drafted him. He's made progress from the start of the year to now and will continue to get better IMO.

If I remember right....Frank was not a full time PG on his team. So it makes since that he needs to improve is handles. But Frank is a Spurs type pick.....Good character and high basketball IQ. Now it's up to him and knick coaching staff to expand his skill set. Thats the part that troubles me.....NY is not the best place to develop young players. Which is why I thought a more confident established rookie player would be better to come in and impact right away. but we thought KP wasn't ready....so I'm willing to give Frank his time to develop. Time to focus on building a team around the young core. I'm curious to see how he looks with the other rookies and sophmores.


I usually rank the ability to contribute immediately third or fourth in my criteria for drafting rookies. I rank potential, work ethic and mental toughness. It's hard to rank a rookies ability to contribute right away when he's playing inferior competition. Even when it's a junior or senior. How many times have we seen teams get suckered into drafting guys like Jordan Hill, Doug McDermott, Frank Kaminsky etc. with the idea that they can step in and contribute right away?Don't get me wrong, I realize there are many players who do step in and make an immediate impact. It's just hard to spot them.
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1/25/2018  3:21 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:
blkexec wrote:
nixluva wrote:
TLover wrote:As Clyde said he needs to work on his handle, which is troubling bc a point guard’s handling has to come at a young age. Frank needs to keep developing that jumper and be a defensive force. Hopefully the facilitator of the team is a point forward like Docic.

You have to be aware of Progress. Frank has come a LONG way from where he was just last year when it comes to his handles. This is just one of those things that fans have to adjust to. Frank has been improving but since he's still in need of development some don't realize how much better he is already. Frank was a raw offensive player but had natural passing and defensive ability. The Knicks knew this when they drafted him. He's made progress from the start of the year to now and will continue to get better IMO.

If I remember right....Frank was not a full time PG on his team. So it makes since that he needs to improve is handles. But Frank is a Spurs type pick.....Good character and high basketball IQ. Now it's up to him and knick coaching staff to expand his skill set. Thats the part that troubles me.....NY is not the best place to develop young players. Which is why I thought a more confident established rookie player would be better to come in and impact right away. but we thought KP wasn't ready....so I'm willing to give Frank his time to develop. Time to focus on building a team around the young core. I'm curious to see how he looks with the other rookies and sophmores.


I usually rank the ability to contribute immediately third or fourth in my criteria for drafting rookies. I rank potential, work ethic and mental toughness. It's hard to rank a rookies ability to contribute right away when he's playing inferior competition. Even when it's a junior or senior. How many times have we seen teams get suckered into drafting guys like Jordan Hill, Doug McDermott, Frank Kaminsky etc. with the idea that they can step in and contribute right away?Don't get me wrong, I realize there are many players who do step in and make an immediate impact. It's just hard to spot them.
depends on where you draft. I agree I would never use NBA readiness as a factor for a lottery pick. You figure if your in the lottery you need high end talent. If it takes time to develop so be it.

Late #1? 2nd round? Thats different. I could 100% use readiness. If I needed a backup PG I might pull the trigger on a lower ceiling guy who can help right away... Frank Mason jr comes to mind. His size most likely renders him a career backup but he's a good shooter and has shown that. He's a great floor general and his upside is core rotation, but most likely a career backup. So I think the biggest factor for NBA readiness is where you draft.

Knicks have a couple good #2s. This is where you find the college seniors 22 years old that scouts have passed on and forgot can actually play. Happens every year

I know Ntilikina is only 19 but...

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