VCoug wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:Getting Walker does not make us contenders. Its a starphuch move. And he is not even that big of a star.

This rebuild needs patience. Yes, the losing sucks right now, I am frustrated by it too. I am not givign up on a 19 year old with a ton of promise for Kemba Walker. No Way!

I would explore other ways to get him. I am not saying NO to Kemba just NO to including Frank in any deal unless its a top game changer type of PG.

Its a starphuch move if you are stupid enough to believe that it makes us instant contenders. It doesn't, but it moves us a hell of a lot closer. Walker doesnt have to be a superstar to be a good fit. He is more than enough of a threat offensively to make everyone else's job easier.

Have you read some of the posts here? YEs, some believe that Kemba can take us there.

He helps for sure offensively. That upgrade would be enough to get NY into the playoffs. Work out a deal without Frank, Hardaway or KP and I am on board most likely.

I believe Frank has all the skills he needs to be an All-Star. The longer he is unwilling to assert himself on offense, the more I would like to see the Knicks explore all their options. Some players just arent wired to do more than defer.

Its not just Walker's ability to get buckets. Its the space he creates for KP,Kanter. Kanter doesn't have to put up monster numbers every night, if the PG is scoring around 20 a night. KP gets more open looks for 3, and alley oops. I get the reluctance to trade such a promising player. If the offense was on par with the D. If the alternative wasnt in their prime. Someone who can score and dish,I would get the skepticism.

Any trade for Walker is going to have to include Kanter because Charlotte wants to dump salary and he's the only big contract we have that will save them money.

They want to dump salary, and acquire first round talent. The offers they receive might make them have to choose between one or the other.

GustavBahler wrote:

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:Getting Walker does not make us contenders. Its a starphuch move. And he is not even that big of a star.

This rebuild needs patience. Yes, the losing sucks right now, I am frustrated by it too. I am not givign up on a 19 year old with a ton of promise for Kemba Walker. No Way!

I would explore other ways to get him. I am not saying NO to Kemba just NO to including Frank in any deal unless its a top game changer type of PG.

Its a starphuch move if you are stupid enough to believe that it makes us instant contenders. It doesn't, but it moves us a hell of a lot closer. Walker doesnt have to be a superstar to be a good fit. He is more than enough of a threat offensively to make everyone else's job easier.

Have you read some of the posts here? YEs, some believe that Kemba can take us there.

He helps for sure offensively. That upgrade would be enough to get NY into the playoffs. Work out a deal without Frank, Hardaway or KP and I am on board most likely.

I believe Frank has all the skills he needs to be an All-Star. The longer he is unwilling to assert himself on offense, the more I would like to see the Knicks explore all their options. Some players just arent wired to do more than defer.

Its not just Walker's ability to get buckets. Its the space he creates for KP,Kanter. Kanter doesn't have to put up monster numbers every night, if the PG is scoring around 20 a night. KP gets more open looks for 3, and alley oops. I get the reluctance to trade such a promising player. If the offense was on par with the D. If the alternative wasnt in their prime. Someone who can score and dish,I would get the skepticism.

And I get your points. Fair enough.

Frank is 19. HE is a game changer on D already. His O will come. Yes he defers but He is 19. I am hopeful he will get it. As you say the skill is there. I am for Kemba for the reasons you stated but Frank is too much for a 28 year old, smallish, speed type of PG whose contract expires. Just my opinion.

Good chat.

Gudris wrote:we are not going to be a contender for at least 3 years, so why all this rush?

While I hope your right there is zero guarantee of that. If a deal is out there that makes sense where we get better we should do it. All I know is if any deal is made for picks there better be at least top 8 protection

EnySpree wrote:

fwk00 wrote:Porzingis and Noah for Walker, Zeller, and the Charlotte #1 pick works for me

Charlotte is motivated by money and draft picks...

The Knicks are motivated to help KP win. I would hate to lose Kanter. He had my respect but I'm a Knicks fan. I also want the young kid to succeed, but I want my team to succeed more that just one rookie.

We lose Kanter, we still have 3 starting centers. Noah showed he's healthy. Everyone wats Willy to play and KOQ is playing his best ball. We are more than good at center.

We trade Kanter and Frank plus fillers. No picks from us. We take Batums horrible contract and Kemba plus a filler. That's the deal we make.

We got Kemba and Burke at point with Baker if we keep him.

Batum is the 6'8 defender that can shoot enough to be honest. He can handle the ball and facilitate.

THJr is a legit scorer. We got KP asnd Kemba as a big 3.... with Beasley and Lee on the side

What the ****? We should all be praying for this!

That roster can beat Boston. We could possibly beat Cleveland too. It gives us a shot to bang toe to toe with them

You might want to reread fwk00's trade proposal.

fwk00 wrote:Porzingis and Noah for Walker, Zeller, and the Charlotte #1 pick works for me

You spelled Kanter wrong...

VCoug wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

VCoug wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

fwk00 wrote:Porzingis and Noah for Walker, Zeller, and the Charlotte #1 pick works for me

Charlotte is motivated by money and draft picks...

The Knicks are motivated to help KP win. I would hate to lose Kanter. He had my respect but I'm a Knicks fan. I also want the young kid to succeed, but I want my team to succeed more that just one rookie.

We lose Kanter, we still have 3 starting centers. Noah showed he's healthy. Everyone wats Willy to play and KOQ is playing his best ball. We are more than good at center.

We trade Kanter and Frank plus fillers. No picks from us. We take Batums horrible contract and Kemba plus a filler. That's the deal we make.

We got Kemba and Burke at point with Baker if we keep him.

Batum is the 6'8 defender that can shoot enough to be honest. He can handle the ball and facilitate.

THJr is a legit scorer. We got KP asnd Kemba as a big 3.... with Beasley and Lee on the side

What the ****? We should all be praying for this!

That roster can beat Boston. We could possibly beat Cleveland too. It gives us a shot to bang toe to toe with them

You might want to reread fwk00's trade proposal.

Why? You might want to re read the first line of the reply. Then read what I said. And contribute

He's talking about trading Porzingis, not Kanter.

Hrs talking about a stupid trade actually... I ignored it politely and started dropping that beautiful literature for that ass

The Hornets are barely a playoff team with him healthy, what makes you think he'll positively change our fortunes so drastically?

I can't stand how badly nuMelo plays. All-Star my ass.