HofstraBBall wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Uptown wrote:
Skill Set? Tremendous shooter with NBA range, prolific scorer and tremendous passer. The lottery extends to 14 picks, at this point, there is no question that a guy, who led the NCAA in Scoring and Assist in the one of the elite conferences against t0p notch comp, is one of the 14 best prospects at this point.

Ever watch Irving and Curry try to play defense? If you draft a player like Young, its up to management to pair him with two-way players. Other than Irving, the Celts have a bunch of two-way-players on the floor with him at all times, as does the Warriors. Why can't Young play in the same backcourt as Frank? I mean Frank is an elite PNR defender I'm not saying pick Young at #1, but if we are picking @ 9 and Young is sitting there, we really have to give him strong consideration...

Yea... thats what people who like him say. 36% from 3 and 42% over all is a "tremendous shooter?" I bet Ron Baker shot better. Here's the thing... Curry and Irving are two of the best offensive players in the league.

It will come down to workouts. His body of works is like 10 great games and a lot of duds. Leading the NCAA in assists when also lead in TOs (just a guess) is impressive? Dude, do you actually look at his shot selection? That's a guy you want? He acts like Steph Curry but he's got Brandon Jenning's game.

Hey... Maybe Im wrong. Maybe he destroys it in workouts. I see a guy light years from being NBA ready. Is he a better prospect than Fox?

Dont you have any concern that it took the NCAA about 12 games to figure out how to shut this guy down? Im not jumping on you... Im just kinda salty over players who think shooting it more is the solution to literally everything
2nd half of his season was ABYSMAL

I vote for Fish to be wrong. He usually is.

Wasn't Young the first player to lead the NCAA in dimes and points...
Ever?! Grant it, he will have his challenges at next level, he will be a very good player. Uh ink he will surprise and go top 6. But this goes back to guys thinking the lottery is for picking role players. Ie. Frank the tank and SGA. SGA smells like another WCS, Winslow, Frank...etc.

I like Mikal Bridges. But think that by the time they win the Championship, he will be out of our reach.

fishmike wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Uptown wrote:
Skill Set? Tremendous shooter with NBA range, prolific scorer and tremendous passer. The lottery extends to 14 picks, at this point, there is no question that a guy, who led the NCAA in Scoring and Assist in the one of the elite conferences against t0p notch comp, is one of the 14 best prospects at this point.

Ever watch Irving and Curry try to play defense? If you draft a player like Young, its up to management to pair him with two-way players. Other than Irving, the Celts have a bunch of two-way-players on the floor with him at all times, as does the Warriors. Why can't Young play in the same backcourt as Frank? I mean Frank is an elite PNR defender I'm not saying pick Young at #1, but if we are picking @ 9 and Young is sitting there, we really have to give him strong consideration...

Yea... thats what people who like him say. 36% from 3 and 42% over all is a "tremendous shooter?" I bet Ron Baker shot better. Here's the thing... Curry and Irving are two of the best offensive players in the league.

It will come down to workouts. His body of works is like 10 great games and a lot of duds. Leading the NCAA in assists when also lead in TOs (just a guess) is impressive? Dude, do you actually look at his shot selection? That's a guy you want? He acts like Steph Curry but he's got Brandon Jenning's game.

Hey... Maybe Im wrong. Maybe he destroys it in workouts. I see a guy light years from being NBA ready. Is he a better prospect than Fox?

Dont you have any concern that it took the NCAA about 12 games to figure out how to shut this guy down? Im not jumping on you... Im just kinda salty over players who think shooting it more is the solution to literally everything
2nd half of his season was ABYSMAL

I vote for Fish to be wrong. He usually is.

Wasn't Young the first player to lead the NCAA in dimes and points...
Ever?! Grant it, he will have his challenges at next level, he will be a very good player. Uh ink he will surprise and go top 6. But this goes back to guys thinking the lottery is for picking role players. Ie. Frank the tank and SGA. SGA smells like another WCS, Winslow, Frank...etc.

I like Mikal Bridges. But think that by the time they win the Championship, he will be out of our reach.

yea and Kurt Thomas led the nation in scoring and rebounding. You love AAU players who jack shots and dont win too much. I can see why you would be enamored with him. We will see. I would love nothing more than Young to go top 5. Knock a better player down to us.

Hey, Kurt Thomas was a very good NBA player. For many teams. Lol. And guess you missed the fact he was the FIRST player to lead in assists as well. Pretty good sign he may be a very good play maker. And you keep saying teams "Adjusted" and stopped him in second half of the year. You fail to mention that it was by double and triple teaming him. That won't happen in the NBA as he will have better talent around him. But I don't want to get into defending Trae Young cuz I probably like some other picks more in the top 10. Just think he will have more of an impact than SGA and not as bad as your claiming. Think your just hating on a Briggs pick. Although Briggs has hundreds. Do agree that he has the makings of a bust, due to his size, but most lottery picks have that chance as well.
But Isn't a guy like Trae a non issue for the Knicks? Thought we Needed a SF? Dont we already have Frankie?

Like guys that jack up shots?...nah. Do think that the lottery is where you can take a chance on getting the next Curry, Towns, LBJ. True those were risks as well but they became game changers. Don't think the lottery is where you play it safe and pick a role guy with a wingspan who can be had in later rounds. Ie. Frank or SGA.

HofstraBBall wrote:

fishmike wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Uptown wrote:
Skill Set? Tremendous shooter with NBA range, prolific scorer and tremendous passer. The lottery extends to 14 picks, at this point, there is no question that a guy, who led the NCAA in Scoring and Assist in the one of the elite conferences against t0p notch comp, is one of the 14 best prospects at this point.

Ever watch Irving and Curry try to play defense? If you draft a player like Young, its up to management to pair him with two-way players. Other than Irving, the Celts have a bunch of two-way-players on the floor with him at all times, as does the Warriors. Why can't Young play in the same backcourt as Frank? I mean Frank is an elite PNR defender I'm not saying pick Young at #1, but if we are picking @ 9 and Young is sitting there, we really have to give him strong consideration...

Yea... thats what people who like him say. 36% from 3 and 42% over all is a "tremendous shooter?" I bet Ron Baker shot better. Here's the thing... Curry and Irving are two of the best offensive players in the league.

It will come down to workouts. His body of works is like 10 great games and a lot of duds. Leading the NCAA in assists when also lead in TOs (just a guess) is impressive? Dude, do you actually look at his shot selection? That's a guy you want? He acts like Steph Curry but he's got Brandon Jenning's game.

Hey... Maybe Im wrong. Maybe he destroys it in workouts. I see a guy light years from being NBA ready. Is he a better prospect than Fox?

Dont you have any concern that it took the NCAA about 12 games to figure out how to shut this guy down? Im not jumping on you... Im just kinda salty over players who think shooting it more is the solution to literally everything
2nd half of his season was ABYSMAL

I vote for Fish to be wrong. He usually is.

Wasn't Young the first player to lead the NCAA in dimes and points...
Ever?! Grant it, he will have his challenges at next level, he will be a very good player. Uh ink he will surprise and go top 6. But this goes back to guys thinking the lottery is for picking role players. Ie. Frank the tank and SGA. SGA smells like another WCS, Winslow, Frank...etc.

I like Mikal Bridges. But think that by the time they win the Championship, he will be out of our reach.

yea and Kurt Thomas led the nation in scoring and rebounding. You love AAU players who jack shots and dont win too much. I can see why you would be enamored with him. We will see. I would love nothing more than Young to go top 5. Knock a better player down to us.

Hey, Kurt Thomas was a very good NBA player. For many teams. Lol. And guess you missed the fact he was the FIRST player to lead in assists as well. Pretty good sign he may be a very good play maker. And you keep saying teams "Adjusted" and stopped him in second half of the year. You fail to mention that it was by double and triple teaming him. That won't happen in the NBA as he will have better talent around him. But I don't want to get into defending Trae Young cuz I probably like some other picks more in the top 10. Just think he will have more of an impact than SGA and not as bad as your claiming. Think your just hating on a Briggs pick. Although Briggs has hundreds. Do agree that he has the makings of a bust, due to his size, but most lottery picks have that chance as well.
But Isn't a guy like Trae a non issue for the Knicks? Thought we Needed a SF? Dont we already have Frankie?

Like guys that jack up shots?...nah. Do think that the lottery is where you can take a chance on getting the next Curry, Towns, LBJ. True those were risks as well but they became game changers. Don't think the lottery is where you play it safe and pick a role guy with a wingspan who can be had in later rounds. Ie. Frank or SGA.

I just look for context. Young is shooting like 42% overall and 35% from 3. First off there is nothing Curry like about that. Second Young is a TO machine. 8-9 assists in college is much less impressive when you have 5+ TOs to go with it. Also his team was what? 18-14 and a pretty easy out in the tourney's first round. Finally how many guys like Young are successful in the NBA, much less stars? NBA wont have to double and triple team Young. Young isnt enough of a threat to finish around the basket for that. NBA will let him have his feast of long jumpers.

To me its pretty simple.. There arent any players like Young in the NBA. They dont work. The closest example is a guy who is probably the best shooter in the history of the game. The other guy is maybe Iverson?

For me its simple... Young needs to be shoot like Curry (he doesnt) or be as quick as Iverson (he isnt) to be a high end NBA player and that strikes me as a very bad gamble.

Bridges from Nova is my fav for the Knicks and has been for awhile. Hopefully that makes you uncomfortable as I know you like him also
I have same concerns about Sexton... size... shrimpy players. I would take SGA over either Young or Sexton in this draft. Easy. Also consider that Curry's combine scores wowed. He tested to be a far superior athlete than most gave him credit for. That remains to be seen with Young, but showing he's an explosive athlete would certainly help his cause in this conversation.

Nalod wrote:I hope if we draft Trae Young fans are patient while he grows into the high expectation.

Did you just use the words "fans" and "patient" in the same sentence???

To make matters worse, put NY in front of fans. There's nothing patient about NYC or the knicks.

Nalod wrote:The league "process" will judge young and then its in the hands of his god.
Workouts measure. KP blew people away with his.

Came across this article this morning. never heard of this kid but he could enter in to the draft conversation:

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/22869177/anfernee-simons-declares-nba-draft-forgoing-collegiate-eligibility

I have heard of him, never seen him play. But read that he was really really good.

At 9 options with assumption that things hold to form

#9 Colin Sexton

Id like to trade a 2020 #1 pick restricted to 7 with Phoenix for their 16 pick(which seems to be way too much for them 3 in rd 1) and take Zaire Smith

Trade pick 44 and Frank Ntklina for the rights to pick 21(Philly) to take Aaron Holiday or Chandler Hutchinson

Pick 37 Chandler Hutchinson Aaron Holiday or Tyler Davis C Texas AM

fishmike wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

fishmike wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Uptown wrote:
Skill Set? Tremendous shooter with NBA range, prolific scorer and tremendous passer. The lottery extends to 14 picks, at this point, there is no question that a guy, who led the NCAA in Scoring and Assist in the one of the elite conferences against t0p notch comp, is one of the 14 best prospects at this point.

Ever watch Irving and Curry try to play defense? If you draft a player like Young, its up to management to pair him with two-way players. Other than Irving, the Celts have a bunch of two-way-players on the floor with him at all times, as does the Warriors. Why can't Young play in the same backcourt as Frank? I mean Frank is an elite PNR defender I'm not saying pick Young at #1, but if we are picking @ 9 and Young is sitting there, we really have to give him strong consideration...

Yea... thats what people who like him say. 36% from 3 and 42% over all is a "tremendous shooter?" I bet Ron Baker shot better. Here's the thing... Curry and Irving are two of the best offensive players in the league.

It will come down to workouts. His body of works is like 10 great games and a lot of duds. Leading the NCAA in assists when also lead in TOs (just a guess) is impressive? Dude, do you actually look at his shot selection? That's a guy you want? He acts like Steph Curry but he's got Brandon Jenning's game.

Hey... Maybe Im wrong. Maybe he destroys it in workouts. I see a guy light years from being NBA ready. Is he a better prospect than Fox?

Dont you have any concern that it took the NCAA about 12 games to figure out how to shut this guy down? Im not jumping on you... Im just kinda salty over players who think shooting it more is the solution to literally everything
2nd half of his season was ABYSMAL

I vote for Fish to be wrong. He usually is.

Wasn't Young the first player to lead the NCAA in dimes and points...
Ever?! Grant it, he will have his challenges at next level, he will be a very good player. Uh ink he will surprise and go top 6. But this goes back to guys thinking the lottery is for picking role players. Ie. Frank the tank and SGA. SGA smells like another WCS, Winslow, Frank...etc.

I like Mikal Bridges. But think that by the time they win the Championship, he will be out of our reach.

yea and Kurt Thomas led the nation in scoring and rebounding. You love AAU players who jack shots and dont win too much. I can see why you would be enamored with him. We will see. I would love nothing more than Young to go top 5. Knock a better player down to us.

Hey, Kurt Thomas was a very good NBA player. For many teams. Lol. And guess you missed the fact he was the FIRST player to lead in assists as well. Pretty good sign he may be a very good play maker. And you keep saying teams "Adjusted" and stopped him in second half of the year. You fail to mention that it was by double and triple teaming him. That won't happen in the NBA as he will have better talent around him. But I don't want to get into defending Trae Young cuz I probably like some other picks more in the top 10. Just think he will have more of an impact than SGA and not as bad as your claiming. Think your just hating on a Briggs pick. Although Briggs has hundreds. Do agree that he has the makings of a bust, due to his size, but most lottery picks have that chance as well.
But Isn't a guy like Trae a non issue for the Knicks? Thought we Needed a SF? Dont we already have Frankie?

Like guys that jack up shots?...nah. Do think that the lottery is where you can take a chance on getting the next Curry, Towns, LBJ. True those were risks as well but they became game changers. Don't think the lottery is where you play it safe and pick a role guy with a wingspan who can be had in later rounds. Ie. Frank or SGA.

Not hating on Young at all, or Briggs for that matter. Every year Briggs gives us about 20-30 players who are surefire NBA superstars and must haves. Its fun to chat about.

I just look for context. Young is shooting like 42% overall and 35% from 3. First off there is nothing Curry like about that. Second Young is a TO machine. 8-9 assists in college is much less impressive when you have 5+ TOs to go with it. Also his team was what? 18-14 and a pretty easy out in the tourney's first round. Finally how many guys like Young are successful in the NBA, much less stars? NBA wont have to double and triple team Young. Young isnt enough of a threat to finish around the basket for that. NBA will let him have his feast of long jumpers.

To me its pretty simple.. There arent any players like Young in the NBA. They dont work. The closest example is a guy who is probably the best shooter in the history of the game. The other guy is maybe Iverson?

For me its simple... Young needs to be shoot like Curry (he doesnt) or be as quick as Iverson (he isnt) to be a high end NBA player and that strikes me as a very bad gamble.

Bridges from Nova is my fav for the Knicks and has been for awhile. Hopefully that makes you uncomfortable as I know you like him also
I have same concerns about Sexton... size... shrimpy players. I would take SGA over either Young or Sexton in this draft. Easy. Also consider that Curry's combine scores wowed. He tested to be a far superior athlete than most gave him credit for. That remains to be seen with Young, but showing he's an explosive athlete would certainly help his cause in this conversation.

Wait...we agree on something? Better let Martin know this is the end of the forum.

Valid points about Young. However, you can give a good argument for any of these picks being possible flops.

Hope we do get Bridges. And hope he is not a flop. Btw, Watching last night, liked what I saw from Knox. He seemed to be the most athletic player on the court. SGA looked ok. But he looks like a 14 year old. Just hard to predict how any college freshman will pan out in the pros. Gripe I had with the Frank pick.

5) Mavs 22-50

Games remaining: Hornets, Kings, Lakers, Wolves, Cavs, Blazers, Magic, Pistons, Sixers, Suns

Verdict: VERY UNLIKELY

6) Nets 23-49

Games remaining: Raptors, Cavs, Magic, Heat, Pistons, Sixers, Bucks, Bulls, Bulls, Celtic

Verdict: NOT GREAT (but possible) Have no incentive to tank. The 2 games Vs the Bulls are crucial for us

7) Kings 24-49

Games remaining: celtics, Mavs, Pacers, Warriors, Lakers, Suns, Griz, Spurs, Rockets

Verdict: POSSIBLE if they win the 3 vs Mavs, Suns and Griz and we don't win any more

8) Bulls 24-47

Games remaining: Bucks, Pistons, Rockets, Heat, Magic, Wiz, Hornets, Celtics, Nets, Nets, Pistons

Verdict: UNLIKELY simply due to them tanking shamelessly. The Nets games are vital- either the Nets or the Bulls needs to win both- no splits! Then we might move up a spot

9) Knicks 26-46

Games remaining: Twolves, Wiz, Hornets, Sixers, Pistons, Magic, Heat, Bucks, Cavs, Cavs

Verdict: WILL LIKELY FUCK THIS UP

So the odds are not great, but there are some possibilities. The wild cards will be the Hornets and Pistons- if they switch to tank mode it could shake things up

smackeddog wrote:I'm back from a very enjoyable bout travelling around Mexico, so here is the latest picture for the tank standing. I'm not going to bother listing the teams we don't have a hope in hell of catching up with (So the means no suns, griz, Magic or Hawks

5) Mavs 22-50

Games remaining: Hornets, Kings, Lakers, Wolves, Cavs, Blazers, Magic, Pistons, Sixers, Suns

Verdict: VERY UNLIKELY

6) Nets 23-49

Games remaining: Raptors, Cavs, Magic, Heat, Pistons, Sixers, Bucks, Bulls, Bulls, Celtic

Verdict: NOT GREAT (but possible) Have no incentive to tank. The 2 games Vs the Bulls are crucial for us

7) Kings 24-49

Games remaining: celtics, Mavs, Pacers, Warriors, Lakers, Suns, Griz, Spurs, Rockets

Verdict: POSSIBLE if they win the 3 vs Mavs, Suns and Griz and we don't win any more

8) Bulls 24-47

Games remaining: Bucks, Pistons, Rockets, Heat, Magic, Wiz, Hornets, Celtics, Nets, Nets, Pistons

Verdict: UNLIKELY simply due to them tanking shamelessly. The Nets games are vital- either the Nets or the Bulls needs to win both- no splits! Then we might move up a spot

9) Knicks 26-46

Games remaining: Twolves, Wiz, Hornets, Sixers, Pistons, Magic, Heat, Bucks, Cavs, Cavs

Verdict: WILL LIKELY FUCK THIS UP

So the odds are not great, but there are some possibilities. The wild cards will be the Hornets and Pistons- if they switch to tank mode it could shake things up

We play the Cavs at the end, but its a possibility they will be resting their starters for the playoffs...Same with Celts and other teams who have spoys locked up...