BRIGGS wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:At game 38 after missing 6-7 games.

I guess go back to what I was saying -- give him the Spurs treatment-- he needs scheduled rest games and a 28 minute or so restriction for most games. Guy is 7-3-- we have to accept the reality that he is not a franchise player to be counted on like a Patrick Ewing( who was a better player) and that we need to formulate a role that he can have success with.

Once again why I wanted to trade him, players his height have a dubious history. Very nice player but will need to be coddled his entire career. Will we have to keep on a 60 game schedule to keep him for the playoffs. This again was why it was so important to pick high this year to get our alpha.

you were wrong then and still wrong.

Nope I was right then and right now. Kp is NO franchise player. I think he'd be a GREAT third or even fourth piece. I don't think you want him as your 1 or 2. If we can get him to 3-4 where he's in a defined role playing 25-27 minutes-- this team would've been on it's way to better things. He can have his games where he goes for 30 but I'd rather have a tight 18-8-3-2 50% in 26 minutes

Lol you really are something else. You must be trying to just troll people with this nonsense.

You are living in faux reality. Because you believe something it has to be real. The REALITY is KP had 5 great games. Since then--and perhaps injury and or his own physical limitation have come into play--its simply not the same guy. I dont think its a case where he eats one more steak and hell be ok. Hes a 7-3 guy who has certain physical flaw and most likely a need to play less to keep him physically fit. He is NOT a franchise player--he MAY look like it at times--so do many players. The best thing the Knicks can do is build with him as a core piece--but certainly no franchise player--as in what the Spurs have with Pau Gasol--hes an important piece but does not carry the load. Can you undertsnad?

You are comparing him to the Pau Gasol on the Spurs? That's one of the dumbest things i have ever heard for real. He had only 5 great games? Where are you getting this? He was incredible until Hardaway went down with injury. Since then he had to increase an already sky high usage, and his numbers took a plunge. But saying he is like a 36 year old Gasol, i don't understand your mindset. Seriously, and i'm being honest, you cannot be taken seriously on anything related to the Knicks. You just say too many strange things these days.

Knixkik wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:At game 38 after missing 6-7 games.

I guess go back to what I was saying -- give him the Spurs treatment-- he needs scheduled rest games and a 28 minute or so restriction for most games. Guy is 7-3-- we have to accept the reality that he is not a franchise player to be counted on like a Patrick Ewing( who was a better player) and that we need to formulate a role that he can have success with.

Once again why I wanted to trade him, players his height have a dubious history. Very nice player but will need to be coddled his entire career. Will we have to keep on a 60 game schedule to keep him for the playoffs. This again was why it was so important to pick high this year to get our alpha.

you were wrong then and still wrong.

Nope I was right then and right now. Kp is NO franchise player. I think he'd be a GREAT third or even fourth piece. I don't think you want him as your 1 or 2. If we can get him to 3-4 where he's in a defined role playing 25-27 minutes-- this team would've been on it's way to better things. He can have his games where he goes for 30 but I'd rather have a tight 18-8-3-2 50% in 26 minutes

Lol you really are something else. You must be trying to just troll people with this nonsense.

You are living in faux reality. Because you believe something it has to be real. The REALITY is KP had 5 great games. Since then--and perhaps injury and or his own physical limitation have come into play--its simply not the same guy. I dont think its a case where he eats one more steak and hell be ok. Hes a 7-3 guy who has certain physical flaw and most likely a need to play less to keep him physically fit. He is NOT a franchise player--he MAY look like it at times--so do many players. The best thing the Knicks can do is build with him as a core piece--but certainly no franchise player--as in what the Spurs have with Pau Gasol--hes an important piece but does not carry the load. Can you undertsnad?

You are comparing him to the Pau Gasol on the Spurs? That's one of the dumbest things i have ever heard for real. He had only 5 great games? Where are you getting this? He was incredible until Hardaway went down with injury. Since then he had to increase an already sky high usage, and his numbers took a plunge. But saying he is like a 36 year old Gasol, i don't understand your mindset. Seriously, and i'm being honest, you cannot be taken seriously on anything related to the Knicks. You just say too many strange things these days.

You can believe yourself--but I think Vmart had it right--the guy looks like Keith Van Horn right now. Hes better than that--but hes not some kind of 30-15 guy thast in your mind. He needs to be part of a solution but he is not a number 1. I use Gasol as an example of a piece thats important--hes an important piece not what youre dreaming. Youre over rating him.

fitzfarm wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:At game 38 after missing 6-7 games.

I guess go back to what I was saying -- give him the Spurs treatment-- he needs scheduled rest games and a 28 minute or so restriction for most games. Guy is 7-3-- we have to accept the reality that he is not a franchise player to be counted on like a Patrick Ewing( who was a better player) and that we need to formulate a role that he can have success with.

😮 I would hold back on calling Ewing the better player, don’t get me wrong I love love love Ewing . But Ewing was a 22 year old senior in college ... as a 23 year old rookie who got injured and only played 50 games let’s compare basic stats .

KP: ppg 23 fg%43 3p%36 ft%82 reb 6.7 ast 1.2 blks 2.2 mpg 32

Ewing: ppg 20 fg%47 3pt%0 ft%73 reb 9.0 ast 2.0 blks 2.06 mpg 34

Don’t forget to consider Ewing was a year older ... I’d have to say they both are superstars but it’s way to early to call Ewing the better player, I think 22year old KP would run circles around 22 senior Ewing ... start debate next year when KP is the same age as Ewing when Ewing was a rookie .

I saw 99% of P Ewings career. For 5 games I thought we had something better--but hes not P Ewing. Can he be a Pau Gasol 18-8-3-2- 50% I think most definitely.

Welpee wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:At game 38 after missing 6-7 games.

I guess go back to what I was saying -- give him the Spurs treatment-- he needs scheduled rest games and a 28 minute or so restriction for most games. Guy is 7-3-- we have to accept the reality that he is not a franchise player to be counted on like a Patrick Ewing( who was a better player) and that we need to formulate a role that he can have success with.

😮 I would hold back on calling Ewing the better player, don’t get me wrong I love love love Ewing . But Ewing was a 22 year old senior in college ... as a 23 year old rookie who got injured and only played 50 games let’s compare basic stats .

KP: ppg 23 fg%43 3p%36 ft%82 reb 6.7 ast 1.2 blks 2.2 mpg 32

Ewing: ppg 20 fg%47 3pt%0 ft%73 reb 9.0 ast 2.0 blks 2.06 mpg 34

Don’t forget to consider Ewing was a year older ... I’d have to say they both are superstars but it’s way to early to call Ewing the better player, I think 22year old KP would run circles around 22 senior Ewing ... start debate next year when KP is the same age as Ewing when Ewing was a rookie .

I think you just made the case for being patient with KP. HOFer Ewing wasn't playing at HOF level at KP's current age.

However, I do think Ewings was a better player as a rookie than KP is at age 22. Look at it this way: the only two areas where KP has a significant advantage over Ewing is ppg and 3 pt shooting. The 3 pt shot basically accounts for KPs averaging three more ppg. And I don't think anybody would argue that KP is on the same planet as Ewing defensively in spite of the shot blocking numbers and the rebounding numbers are significantly in Ewing's favor. Also look at the roster Ewing was playing with as a rookie compared to KP.

I think we are in a finesse Era of basketball, and we don't have nearly enough finesse players. we take the least amount of 3's in the entire league. We certainly have a team full of back ups, and 3rd sting players.

Welpee wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:At game 38 after missing 6-7 games.

I guess go back to what I was saying -- give him the Spurs treatment-- he needs scheduled rest games and a 28 minute or so restriction for most games. Guy is 7-3-- we have to accept the reality that he is not a franchise player to be counted on like a Patrick Ewing( who was a better player) and that we need to formulate a role that he can have success with.

😮 I would hold back on calling Ewing the better player, don’t get me wrong I love love love Ewing . But Ewing was a 22 year old senior in college ... as a 23 year old rookie who got injured and only played 50 games let’s compare basic stats .

KP: ppg 23 fg%43 3p%36 ft%82 reb 6.7 ast 1.2 blks 2.2 mpg 32

Ewing: ppg 20 fg%47 3pt%0 ft%73 reb 9.0 ast 2.0 blks 2.06 mpg 34

Don’t forget to consider Ewing was a year older ... I’d have to say they both are superstars but it’s way to early to call Ewing the better player, I think 22year old KP would run circles around 22 senior Ewing ... start debate next year when KP is the same age as Ewing when Ewing was a rookie .

I think you just made the case for being patient with KP. HOFer Ewing wasn't playing at HOF level at KP's current age.

However, I do think Ewings was a better player as a rookie than KP is at age 22. Look at it this way: the only two areas where KP has a significant advantage over Ewing is ppg and 3 pt shooting. The 3 pt shot basically accounts for KPs averaging three more ppg. And I don't think anybody would argue that KP is on the same planet as Ewing defensively in spite of the shot blocking numbers and the rebounding numbers are significantly in Ewing's favor. Also look at the roster Ewing was playing with as a rookie compared to KP.

I think in the mist of this, Porzingis has gotten seriously underrated defensively. He's #1 in the entire league in defensive FG% at the rim. That is an indicator of elite defensive ability. It takes away blocks and just focuses on the impact he has defensively at the rim. Guys simply can't score against him. Ontop of that, he hasn't been getting beat on closeouts at the 3pt line this season. Because of this, he is no longer a liability guarding stretch 4s. Not saying he's better than Ewing defensively, but he is absolutely an elite defensive big, as was Ewing.

Kemet wrote:KP has his strong areas n weak areas ..
KP is not a franchise player!
KP does not have the skills or talent to be the 1 or 2 option on offense.
KP has a very low b.ball IQ, he's not much of a team player.
KP may block a shot or 2 but KP is a liability on defense.
KP is still a raw project that need veteran mentoring.
PLUS .. KP fragile body would not have made a NBA team in the 1980's ..
Georgetown head coach John Thompson would have sat KP on the bench throughout his rookie season.

Patrick Ewing was a s close to three NC than anyone except from UCLA. How could someone not count what P Ewing did at G Town. Clearly he wouldve been great in the NBA if he left.

Tired.

And the response is that he needs to be surrounded by players who will do all the work. Maybe he'll stay then.

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Trade this guy asap.

Knixkik wrote:

fwk00 wrote:This is a guy who blew off the exit interview with a HOFer, decided he was the smartest guy in the room and decided he needed to be the best player on a Latvian team during the summer, has done nothing than make childish noises that he's never leaving but thinking about leaving, and no he says he's tired.

Tired.

And the response is that he needs to be surrounded by players who will do all the work. Maybe he'll stay then.

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Trade this guy asap.

The things you are saying, remind me why we have the worst fan base in all of sports.

fishmike wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:At game 38 after missing 6-7 games.

I guess go back to what I was saying -- give him the Spurs treatment-- he needs scheduled rest games and a 28 minute or so restriction for most games. Guy is 7-3-- we have to accept the reality that he is not a franchise player to be counted on like a Patrick Ewing( who was a better player) and that we need to formulate a role that he can have success with.

Once again why I wanted to trade him, players his height have a dubious history. Very nice player but will need to be coddled his entire career. Will we have to keep on a 60 game schedule to keep him for the playoffs. This again was why it was so important to pick high this year to get our alpha.

you were wrong then and still wrong.

Gudris wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:At game 38 after missing 6-7 games.

I guess go back to what I was saying -- give him the Spurs treatment-- he needs scheduled rest games and a 28 minute or so restriction for most games. Guy is 7-3-- we have to accept the reality that he is not a franchise player to be counted on like a Patrick Ewing( who was a better player) and that we need to formulate a role that he can have success with.

Once again why I wanted to trade him, players his height have a dubious history. Very nice player but will need to be coddled his entire career. Will we have to keep on a 60 game schedule to keep him for the playoffs. This again was why it was so important to pick high this year to get our alpha.

you were wrong then and still wrong.

He gives about 10 great games at the start of each season but is quite far from a franchise player and probably not a legit all-star level player even if he gets voted in. No one really knows what he will amount to right now or whether we'd be better off taking a large package of assets in a trade vs maxing him out soon. Both choices are big gambles. I still lean towards keeping him but my thinking is split about 55-45%. There's a high chance (it may be 50-50) people will look back in a few years and say that those suggesting a trade were right.

So beeing Top15 scorer, Top3 shot blocker and Nr1 rim protector is not enough for ALL STAR? what are you smoking? :F