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2018 NBA Mock Draft 3.0: Trae Young Soars Into the Top 10 - Sports Illustrated
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1/2/2018  8:29 AM
Check it out see if you agree with SI top 5 with three 5s in the top 5. I wanted the Knicksnto draft a 5 as this would compliment KP and solve our inside issues short term and long term.
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https://www.si.com/nba/nba-draft-2018-prospect-rankings-big-board
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1/2/2018  9:32 AM
We need to draft a 3?
Im not giving up on Willy just yet.
Im hoping Isiah Hicks is developing into KOQ.2
At the same time if there is a clear choice you take the best player possible! Never pass on a potential star if the scouting has great passion for player.
If Trae Young is there and he is as hoped we take him.
Same for any position.
Knicks1248: 1. Dolan should be more involved! 2. Why would any knick fan want pick 8, when that spot has a history of producing marginal NBA taken. (He prefers pick 9th instead)
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1/2/2018  9:44 AM    LAST EDITED: 1/2/2018  9:45 AM
Willy doesn't show toughness. You can't develop that either you got it or you don't. KP is not succeeding at the level he is by simply being 7'3 and athletic. He's tough as nails as a competitor. Willy doesn't have that. If had the moxy that KOQ, noah and Kanter show he would be a hands down all star. Its not about him developing and playing minutes. Guy had the same opportunity KP has had. Willy has more Fiba experience. Willy has been a pro a long time. At 23, he's a man... no excuse for the kid to fall like this. Noah had no problem being Willy friend off the court. When Noah finally got his shot he took it. Willy has had multiple shots this year and flunked.
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EnySpree wrote:Willy doesn't show toughness. You can't develop that either you got it or you don't. KP is not succeeding at the level he is by simply being 7'3 and athletic. He's tough as nails as a competitor. Willy doesn't have that. If had the moxy that KOQ, noah and Kanter show he would be a hands down all star. Outs not asking him developi g and playing minutes. Guy had the same opportunity KP has had. Willy has more Fiba experience. Willy has been a pro a long time. At 23, he's a man... no excuse for the kid to fall like this. Noah had no problem being Willy friend off the court. When Noah finally got his shot he took it. Willy has had multiple shots this year and flunked.

Willy was a finesse player last year and still is. He is not Kanter. Seems Enes also has been improving year to year.
Not sure what Noah, a former DPOY and 10 year vet has to do with being friends with being "Willy friend" but he has a big contract and obligation to himself as well.
Im not sure what the deal is with Willy but there is a skill set there. He might not have the makeup to sustain an NBA career and thus he falls back into his predraft trajectory. If he got big minutes would he be contributing? Yeah, but we only know he can do that on a losing team.
Enes and him are not the same player. Willy is more skilled offensively. Personally I see willy as a backup 4.
If Perry is true to his word he is still in our long term plans. Enes was never part of the plan and my take was KOQ was to start with Willy as back up. Noah himself has not been able to get off the bench as well!!! Against NOLA we were in a must win situation and with KOQ getting his 5th foul and the tandem of Cousins and Davis it was Noah's experience and defense that was called for.
How many teams would keep a 17mm glued to the bench? We did.
I understand Willy and his shortcomings but that does not mean he is done.

Knicks1248: 1. Dolan should be more involved! 2. Why would any knick fan want pick 8, when that spot has a history of producing marginal NBA taken. (He prefers pick 9th instead)
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1/2/2018  10:13 AM
Nalod wrote:
EnySpree wrote:Willy doesn't show toughness. You can't develop that either you got it or you don't. KP is not succeeding at the level he is by simply being 7'3 and athletic. He's tough as nails as a competitor. Willy doesn't have that. If had the moxy that KOQ, noah and Kanter show he would be a hands down all star. Outs not asking him developi g and playing minutes. Guy had the same opportunity KP has had. Willy has more Fiba experience. Willy has been a pro a long time. At 23, he's a man... no excuse for the kid to fall like this. Noah had no problem being Willy friend off the court. When Noah finally got his shot he took it. Willy has had multiple shots this year and flunked.

Willy was a finesse player last year and still is. He is not Kanter. Seems Enes also has been improving year to year.
Not sure what Noah, a former DPOY and 10 year vet has to do with being friends with being "Willy friend" but he has a big contract and obligation to himself as well.
Im not sure what the deal is with Willy but there is a skill set there. He might not have the makeup to sustain an NBA career and thus he falls back into his predraft trajectory. If he got big minutes would he be contributing? Yeah, but we only know he can do that on a losing team.
Enes and him are not the same player. Willy is more skilled offensively. Personally I see willy as a backup 4.
If Perry is true to his word he is still in our long term plans. Enes was never part of the plan and my take was KOQ was to start with Willy as back up. Noah himself has not been able to get off the bench as well!!! Against NOLA we were in a must win situation and with KOQ getting his 5th foul and the tandem of Cousins and Davis it was Noah's experience and defense that was called for.
How many teams would keep a 17mm glued to the bench? We did.
I understand Willy and his shortcomings but that does not mean he is done.

Point I'm making about friends is Noah and Willy have gotten close. You can see them together on social media. On the court it doesn't matter. Noah played one game and he's now ahead of Willy. No way Willy should ever play ahead of him. Willy is a finnese player, but he's still a man. He's got to take the spot he wants. He thinks he should automatically have it. Nah man. Even Kanter improved I defense and emerged as a leader. Willy and his potential isn't winning us anything. Franky is 19 and is playing over Sessions.... He's even getting minutes in crunch time often. What's Willy doing? He complained to the media twice about minutes.... I see a guy that needs to go

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1/2/2018  10:16 AM    LAST EDITED: 1/2/2018  10:18 AM

Sorry to hijack the thread.... Young is a bad dude. Baddest college point guard I've ever seen... Guy is putting up Pete maravich/Nate Archibald numbers

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1/2/2018  10:20 AM
EnySpree wrote:
Nalod wrote:
EnySpree wrote:Willy doesn't show toughness. You can't develop that either you got it or you don't. KP is not succeeding at the level he is by simply being 7'3 and athletic. He's tough as nails as a competitor. Willy doesn't have that. If had the moxy that KOQ, noah and Kanter show he would be a hands down all star. Outs not asking him developi g and playing minutes. Guy had the same opportunity KP has had. Willy has more Fiba experience. Willy has been a pro a long time. At 23, he's a man... no excuse for the kid to fall like this. Noah had no problem being Willy friend off the court. When Noah finally got his shot he took it. Willy has had multiple shots this year and flunked.

Willy was a finesse player last year and still is. He is not Kanter. Seems Enes also has been improving year to year.
Not sure what Noah, a former DPOY and 10 year vet has to do with being friends with being "Willy friend" but he has a big contract and obligation to himself as well.
Im not sure what the deal is with Willy but there is a skill set there. He might not have the makeup to sustain an NBA career and thus he falls back into his predraft trajectory. If he got big minutes would he be contributing? Yeah, but we only know he can do that on a losing team.
Enes and him are not the same player. Willy is more skilled offensively. Personally I see willy as a backup 4.
If Perry is true to his word he is still in our long term plans. Enes was never part of the plan and my take was KOQ was to start with Willy as back up. Noah himself has not been able to get off the bench as well!!! Against NOLA we were in a must win situation and with KOQ getting his 5th foul and the tandem of Cousins and Davis it was Noah's experience and defense that was called for.
How many teams would keep a 17mm glued to the bench? We did.
I understand Willy and his shortcomings but that does not mean he is done.

Point I'm making about friends is Noah and Willy have gotten close. You can see them together on social media. On the court it doesn't matter. Noah played one game and he's now ahead of Willy. No way Willy should ever play ahead of him. Willy is a finnese player, but he's still a man. He's got to take the spot he wants. He thinks he should automatically have it. Nah man. Even Kanter improved I defense and emerged as a leader. Willy and his potential isn't winning us anything. Franky is 19 and is playing over Sessions.... He's even getting minutes in crunch time often. What's Willy doing? He complained to the media twice about minutes.... I see a guy that needs to go

You seem to know a lot about what's inside of him.
I don't know if he has an entitlement issue or he is cut out for the NBA.
I don't know if he "needs to go" and we give up on him.
We can piece all kind of opinions together and speculate. Go to a game and watch him on the bench and he is having a good time.
But we did see NBA talent last year and he got some time to play with team Spain over the summer. Not sure if he improved as he should have in the off season.
My take is he has the rest of this and next to prove himself and earn a good contract.
KP knows what it takes to put the work in. If WIlly don't do it then its not good for KP's career no matter how good buddies they are off the court!!

Knicks1248: 1. Dolan should be more involved! 2. Why would any knick fan want pick 8, when that spot has a history of producing marginal NBA taken. (He prefers pick 9th instead)
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Nalod wrote:
EnySpree wrote:
Nalod wrote:
EnySpree wrote:Willy doesn't show toughness. You can't develop that either you got it or you don't. KP is not succeeding at the level he is by simply being 7'3 and athletic. He's tough as nails as a competitor. Willy doesn't have that. If had the moxy that KOQ, noah and Kanter show he would be a hands down all star. Outs not asking him developi g and playing minutes. Guy had the same opportunity KP has had. Willy has more Fiba experience. Willy has been a pro a long time. At 23, he's a man... no excuse for the kid to fall like this. Noah had no problem being Willy friend off the court. When Noah finally got his shot he took it. Willy has had multiple shots this year and flunked.

Willy was a finesse player last year and still is. He is not Kanter. Seems Enes also has been improving year to year.
Not sure what Noah, a former DPOY and 10 year vet has to do with being friends with being "Willy friend" but he has a big contract and obligation to himself as well.
Im not sure what the deal is with Willy but there is a skill set there. He might not have the makeup to sustain an NBA career and thus he falls back into his predraft trajectory. If he got big minutes would he be contributing? Yeah, but we only know he can do that on a losing team.
Enes and him are not the same player. Willy is more skilled offensively. Personally I see willy as a backup 4.
If Perry is true to his word he is still in our long term plans. Enes was never part of the plan and my take was KOQ was to start with Willy as back up. Noah himself has not been able to get off the bench as well!!! Against NOLA we were in a must win situation and with KOQ getting his 5th foul and the tandem of Cousins and Davis it was Noah's experience and defense that was called for.
How many teams would keep a 17mm glued to the bench? We did.
I understand Willy and his shortcomings but that does not mean he is done.

Point I'm making about friends is Noah and Willy have gotten close. You can see them together on social media. On the court it doesn't matter. Noah played one game and he's now ahead of Willy. No way Willy should ever play ahead of him. Willy is a finnese player, but he's still a man. He's got to take the spot he wants. He thinks he should automatically have it. Nah man. Even Kanter improved I defense and emerged as a leader. Willy and his potential isn't winning us anything. Franky is 19 and is playing over Sessions.... He's even getting minutes in crunch time often. What's Willy doing? He complained to the media twice about minutes.... I see a guy that needs to go

You seem to know a lot about what's inside of him.
I don't know if he has an entitlement issue or he is cut out for the NBA.
I don't know if he "needs to go" and we give up on him.
We can piece all kind of opinions together and speculate. Go to a game and watch him on the bench and he is having a good time.
But we did see NBA talent last year and he got some time to play with team Spain over the summer. Not sure if he improved as he should have in the off season.
My take is he has the rest of this and next to prove himself and earn a good contract.
KP knows what it takes to put the work in. If WIlly don't do it then its not good for KP's career no matter how good buddies they are off the court!!

good post. Plus it seems like knick mangement is still pretty high on him. They arent just gonna give him away. Also i never see him complaining. The dude wants to play for sure but he understands the situation. I always see him cheering and being supportive of his teammates
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1/2/2018  11:16 AM
I dont really have a mock draft--but if we have picks 15-33 and 40--which is what it appears as of now

I know what players were not getting--so its waste of time to list

What Im looking for is a combination of best player available and fit--not necessarily position.

I like Nick Ward PF from Mich State a whole lot. Hes a beast inside-he might be as good as the top 3 prospects
I like the player I saw the other night--in terms of NBA he really stood out because hes 6-7/6-8 but handles the ball like a PG and can play point forward shooting guard point guard. Thats a diverse position less player. Has a true 7-1 wingspan as a tall guard too. Has that Tracy Mcrady type build long 6-8 with long arms
I like Shakur Juiston--one of the best defensive players I have seen with defensive versatility 6-7 230 hands big like Kwame good ballhandler great rebounder has a lot of upside physically--would be a dropper into rd 2 and would target with pick 40.
For PGs I like Jalen Brunson and Landry Shamet. I like the bigger players better--bt I know we need a PG and Im willing to sit back and find either one of these guy and be happy with either.

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1/2/2018  11:24 AM
Briefly watched Trae Young. Impressive how much ground he covers in one dribble. Young puts the ball way ahead of him, and has the speed to catch up, keep his dribble, change directions, when most players would end up traveling, or coughing up the ball.
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1/2/2018  11:46 AM    LAST EDITED: 1/2/2018  11:53 AM
GustavBahler wrote:Briefly watched Trae Young. Impressive how much ground he covers in one dribble. Young puts the ball way ahead of him, and has the speed to catch up, keep his dribble, change directions, when most players would end up traveling, or coughing up the ball.

Trae young might be the most exciting player in any sport right now. Must see TV If Trae shot his 3's from the actual 3 point line--hed probably shoot 55%. Best court vision right now in all of basketball NBA or college. great body control has the reverse gears fast to slow to juke defenders. Shot slection and mistakes--yeah sometimes but thats all part of the gig!

Oklahoma actually has really nice complimentary players for young. They dont have many post guys but guys who move and can hit a 3.

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1/2/2018  11:59 AM
BRIGGS wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:Briefly watched Trae Young. Impressive how much ground he covers in one dribble. Young puts the ball way ahead of him, and has the speed to catch up, keep his dribble, change directions, when most players would end up traveling, or coughing up the ball.

Trae young might be the most exciting player in any sport right now. Must see TV If Trae shot his 3's from the actual 3 point line--hed probably shoot 55%. Best court vision right now in all of basketball NBA or college. great body control has the reverse gears fast to slow to juke defenders. Shot slection and mistakes--yeah sometimes but thats all part of the gig!

The main questions regarding him though is if he will be able to do what he does vs NBA length and athleticism? As well as would he be a liability defensively? It's impressive he is able to do these things as a freshman though. Steph developed over 4 years of college ball to hone his craft. At 19 possible Young still grows some more or fills out some more.

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1/2/2018  12:09 PM
Jalen Brunson right now

Hes avg 19 points 5 assists 4 rebounds only 1 TO and shooting 60% from the field and 50% from 3.
https://sports.yahoo.com/ncaab/players/131426/

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newyorknewyork wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:Briefly watched Trae Young. Impressive how much ground he covers in one dribble. Young puts the ball way ahead of him, and has the speed to catch up, keep his dribble, change directions, when most players would end up traveling, or coughing up the ball.

Trae young might be the most exciting player in any sport right now. Must see TV If Trae shot his 3's from the actual 3 point line--hed probably shoot 55%. Best court vision right now in all of basketball NBA or college. great body control has the reverse gears fast to slow to juke defenders. Shot slection and mistakes--yeah sometimes but thats all part of the gig!

The main questions regarding him though is if he will be able to do what he does vs NBA length and athleticism? As well as would he be a liability defensively? It's impressive he is able to do these things as a freshman though. Steph developed over 4 years of college ball to hone his craft. At 19 possible Young still grows some more or fills out some more.

Hes 6-2 so not short. Its going to be hard to guard Trae Young at the pro level--maybe harder in the NBA because he has range from 38 feet. He takes your athletic ability away from you because of spacing.

Hes going to have to go to the right team and hes going to have to show some OFF the BALL success. I can see what he can do WITH the ball--can he don what Stephy Curry does without it? Has to get stronger

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BRIGGS wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:Briefly watched Trae Young. Impressive how much ground he covers in one dribble. Young puts the ball way ahead of him, and has the speed to catch up, keep his dribble, change directions, when most players would end up traveling, or coughing up the ball.

Trae young might be the most exciting player in any sport right now. Must see TV If Trae shot his 3's from the actual 3 point line--hed probably shoot 55%. Best court vision right now in all of basketball NBA or college. great body control has the reverse gears fast to slow to juke defenders. Shot slection and mistakes--yeah sometimes but thats all part of the gig!

The main questions regarding him though is if he will be able to do what he does vs NBA length and athleticism? As well as would he be a liability defensively? It's impressive he is able to do these things as a freshman though. Steph developed over 4 years of college ball to hone his craft. At 19 possible Young still grows some more or fills out some more.

Hes 6-2 so not short. Its going to be hard to guard Trae Young at the pro level--maybe harder in the NBA because he has range from 38 feet. He takes your athletic ability away from you because of spacing.

Hes going to have to go to the right team and hes going to have to show some OFF the BALL success. I can see what he can do WITH the ball--can he don what Stephy Curry does without it? Has to get stronger

These are proclamations that we don't know yet. Your projecting him to be unguardable in the NBA yet he hasn't played against the comp nessesary to verify that. Luca Donic balled out in the world tourny vs real NBA talent. Got the better of KP when their teams battled each other. He has a stronger portfolio.

Young is a very crafty guard. But not ready to make the claims that you have made, yet anyway.

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1/2/2018  12:27 PM
And my point about Luca is that he has a stronger claim. But even he isn't a sure thing.
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1/2/2018  1:42 PM
Nalod wrote:
EnySpree wrote:
Nalod wrote:
EnySpree wrote:Willy doesn't show toughness. You can't develop that either you got it or you don't. KP is not succeeding at the level he is by simply being 7'3 and athletic. He's tough as nails as a competitor. Willy doesn't have that. If had the moxy that KOQ, noah and Kanter show he would be a hands down all star. Outs not asking him developi g and playing minutes. Guy had the same opportunity KP has had. Willy has more Fiba experience. Willy has been a pro a long time. At 23, he's a man... no excuse for the kid to fall like this. Noah had no problem being Willy friend off the court. When Noah finally got his shot he took it. Willy has had multiple shots this year and flunked.

Willy was a finesse player last year and still is. He is not Kanter. Seems Enes also has been improving year to year.
Not sure what Noah, a former DPOY and 10 year vet has to do with being friends with being "Willy friend" but he has a big contract and obligation to himself as well.
Im not sure what the deal is with Willy but there is a skill set there. He might not have the makeup to sustain an NBA career and thus he falls back into his predraft trajectory. If he got big minutes would he be contributing? Yeah, but we only know he can do that on a losing team.
Enes and him are not the same player. Willy is more skilled offensively. Personally I see willy as a backup 4.
If Perry is true to his word he is still in our long term plans. Enes was never part of the plan and my take was KOQ was to start with Willy as back up. Noah himself has not been able to get off the bench as well!!! Against NOLA we were in a must win situation and with KOQ getting his 5th foul and the tandem of Cousins and Davis it was Noah's experience and defense that was called for.
How many teams would keep a 17mm glued to the bench? We did.
I understand Willy and his shortcomings but that does not mean he is done.

Point I'm making about friends is Noah and Willy have gotten close. You can see them together on social media. On the court it doesn't matter. Noah played one game and he's now ahead of Willy. No way Willy should ever play ahead of him. Willy is a finnese player, but he's still a man. He's got to take the spot he wants. He thinks he should automatically have it. Nah man. Even Kanter improved I defense and emerged as a leader. Willy and his potential isn't winning us anything. Franky is 19 and is playing over Sessions.... He's even getting minutes in crunch time often. What's Willy doing? He complained to the media twice about minutes.... I see a guy that needs to go

You seem to know a lot about what's inside of him.
I don't know if he has an entitlement issue or he is cut out for the NBA.
I don't know if he "needs to go" and we give up on him.
We can piece all kind of opinions together and speculate. Go to a game and watch him on the bench and he is having a good time.
But we did see NBA talent last year and he got some time to play with team Spain over the summer. Not sure if he improved as he should have in the off season.
My take is he has the rest of this and next to prove himself and earn a good contract.
KP knows what it takes to put the work in. If WIlly don't do it then its not good for KP's career no matter how good buddies they are off the court!!

I'm just not into waiting on grown men to develop toughness. That's what we are waiting for. He's having g a great time because he likes his teammates.... we're playing basketball though. When he's on the court he's not bringing it like everyone else, especially his teammates. I don't need to be a psychiatrist for that.... Willy doesn't deserve to play.

Now I understand potential and all that, but Willy isn't 19. I also understand the economics... Willy is on a rookie deal. We could surely move or let Kanter and KOQ walk and roll with Willy and Noah....

Do we want to continue to coddle guys that arent working hard? I thought we were building a culture? We can't baby Willy and then talk about building a winning culture.

You know why I'm here....
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EnySpree wrote:
Nalod wrote:
EnySpree wrote:
Nalod wrote:
EnySpree wrote:Willy doesn't show toughness. You can't develop that either you got it or you don't. KP is not succeeding at the level he is by simply being 7'3 and athletic. He's tough as nails as a competitor. Willy doesn't have that. If had the moxy that KOQ, noah and Kanter show he would be a hands down all star. Outs not asking him developi g and playing minutes. Guy had the same opportunity KP has had. Willy has more Fiba experience. Willy has been a pro a long time. At 23, he's a man... no excuse for the kid to fall like this. Noah had no problem being Willy friend off the court. When Noah finally got his shot he took it. Willy has had multiple shots this year and flunked.

Willy was a finesse player last year and still is. He is not Kanter. Seems Enes also has been improving year to year.
Not sure what Noah, a former DPOY and 10 year vet has to do with being friends with being "Willy friend" but he has a big contract and obligation to himself as well.
Im not sure what the deal is with Willy but there is a skill set there. He might not have the makeup to sustain an NBA career and thus he falls back into his predraft trajectory. If he got big minutes would he be contributing? Yeah, but we only know he can do that on a losing team.
Enes and him are not the same player. Willy is more skilled offensively. Personally I see willy as a backup 4.
If Perry is true to his word he is still in our long term plans. Enes was never part of the plan and my take was KOQ was to start with Willy as back up. Noah himself has not been able to get off the bench as well!!! Against NOLA we were in a must win situation and with KOQ getting his 5th foul and the tandem of Cousins and Davis it was Noah's experience and defense that was called for.
How many teams would keep a 17mm glued to the bench? We did.
I understand Willy and his shortcomings but that does not mean he is done.

Point I'm making about friends is Noah and Willy have gotten close. You can see them together on social media. On the court it doesn't matter. Noah played one game and he's now ahead of Willy. No way Willy should ever play ahead of him. Willy is a finnese player, but he's still a man. He's got to take the spot he wants. He thinks he should automatically have it. Nah man. Even Kanter improved I defense and emerged as a leader. Willy and his potential isn't winning us anything. Franky is 19 and is playing over Sessions.... He's even getting minutes in crunch time often. What's Willy doing? He complained to the media twice about minutes.... I see a guy that needs to go

You seem to know a lot about what's inside of him.
I don't know if he has an entitlement issue or he is cut out for the NBA.
I don't know if he "needs to go" and we give up on him.
We can piece all kind of opinions together and speculate. Go to a game and watch him on the bench and he is having a good time.
But we did see NBA talent last year and he got some time to play with team Spain over the summer. Not sure if he improved as he should have in the off season.
My take is he has the rest of this and next to prove himself and earn a good contract.
KP knows what it takes to put the work in. If WIlly don't do it then its not good for KP's career no matter how good buddies they are off the court!!

I'm just not into waiting on grown men to develop toughness. That's what we are waiting for. He's having g a great time because he likes his teammates.... we're playing basketball though. When he's on the court he's not bringing it like everyone else, especially his teammates. I don't need to be a psychiatrist for that.... Willy doesn't deserve to play.

Now I understand potential and all that, but Willy isn't 19. I also understand the economics... Willy is on a rookie deal. We could surely move or let Kanter and KOQ walk and roll with Willy and Noah....

Do we want to continue to coddle guys that arent working hard? I thought we were building a culture? We can't baby Willy and then talk about building a winning culture.

Again who says Willy isnt working hard? Also they arent coddling him. The fact is we ended up with a loaded frontcourt and Kanter has been much better than even the knicks expected. Kyle got off to a great start even though he has started to come back to earth a bit. Truthfully there is no need to trade Willy unless we get a great offer or something since he is young and on a good deal.
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1/2/2018  2:10 PM
StarksEwing1 wrote:
EnySpree wrote:
Nalod wrote:
EnySpree wrote:
Nalod wrote:
EnySpree wrote:Willy doesn't show toughness. You can't develop that either you got it or you don't. KP is not succeeding at the level he is by simply being 7'3 and athletic. He's tough as nails as a competitor. Willy doesn't have that. If had the moxy that KOQ, noah and Kanter show he would be a hands down all star. Outs not asking him developi g and playing minutes. Guy had the same opportunity KP has had. Willy has more Fiba experience. Willy has been a pro a long time. At 23, he's a man... no excuse for the kid to fall like this. Noah had no problem being Willy friend off the court. When Noah finally got his shot he took it. Willy has had multiple shots this year and flunked.

Willy was a finesse player last year and still is. He is not Kanter. Seems Enes also has been improving year to year.
Not sure what Noah, a former DPOY and 10 year vet has to do with being friends with being "Willy friend" but he has a big contract and obligation to himself as well.
Im not sure what the deal is with Willy but there is a skill set there. He might not have the makeup to sustain an NBA career and thus he falls back into his predraft trajectory. If he got big minutes would he be contributing? Yeah, but we only know he can do that on a losing team.
Enes and him are not the same player. Willy is more skilled offensively. Personally I see willy as a backup 4.
If Perry is true to his word he is still in our long term plans. Enes was never part of the plan and my take was KOQ was to start with Willy as back up. Noah himself has not been able to get off the bench as well!!! Against NOLA we were in a must win situation and with KOQ getting his 5th foul and the tandem of Cousins and Davis it was Noah's experience and defense that was called for.
How many teams would keep a 17mm glued to the bench? We did.
I understand Willy and his shortcomings but that does not mean he is done.

Point I'm making about friends is Noah and Willy have gotten close. You can see them together on social media. On the court it doesn't matter. Noah played one game and he's now ahead of Willy. No way Willy should ever play ahead of him. Willy is a finnese player, but he's still a man. He's got to take the spot he wants. He thinks he should automatically have it. Nah man. Even Kanter improved I defense and emerged as a leader. Willy and his potential isn't winning us anything. Franky is 19 and is playing over Sessions.... He's even getting minutes in crunch time often. What's Willy doing? He complained to the media twice about minutes.... I see a guy that needs to go

You seem to know a lot about what's inside of him.
I don't know if he has an entitlement issue or he is cut out for the NBA.
I don't know if he "needs to go" and we give up on him.
We can piece all kind of opinions together and speculate. Go to a game and watch him on the bench and he is having a good time.
But we did see NBA talent last year and he got some time to play with team Spain over the summer. Not sure if he improved as he should have in the off season.
My take is he has the rest of this and next to prove himself and earn a good contract.
KP knows what it takes to put the work in. If WIlly don't do it then its not good for KP's career no matter how good buddies they are off the court!!

I'm just not into waiting on grown men to develop toughness. That's what we are waiting for. He's having g a great time because he likes his teammates.... we're playing basketball though. When he's on the court he's not bringing it like everyone else, especially his teammates. I don't need to be a psychiatrist for that.... Willy doesn't deserve to play.

Now I understand potential and all that, but Willy isn't 19. I also understand the economics... Willy is on a rookie deal. We could surely move or let Kanter and KOQ walk and roll with Willy and Noah....

Do we want to continue to coddle guys that arent working hard? I thought we were building a culture? We can't baby Willy and then talk about building a winning culture.

Again who says Willy isnt working hard? Also they arent coddling him. The fact is we ended up with a loaded frontcourt and Kanter has been much better than even the knicks expected. Kyle got off to a great start even though he has started to come back to earth a bit. Truthfully there is no need to trade Willy unless we get a great offer or something since he is young and on a good deal.

His play is saying it. He's been terrible every time he has been out there. Very soft and nonchalant.

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