nyknickzingis wrote:

WP76 wrote:Give Noah credit for his effort in tonight's win. However, I'm not ready to give him major minutes yet. He's easy to gameplan, can't create his own shot, and offensively it's four on five for us when he's on the floor. Again, good effort but still have to tap the brakes a little bit.

I don't think it's 4 on 5 if he's rolling to the basket like he was tonight.

I agree completely can't make the statement that he's back just based on 1 night. It could be a mirage or fluke.
But this was how Noah played in his peak. He was this active, this much impact, for about 30 minutes a night. He's a great passer, great screen setter and roller. It's not 4 on 5 if your big is able to set screens to open up shots for others. Noah knows how to do many things on offense. What I hate about when we play with Kanter, Kanter rarely sees the open man with a pass. He'll set a very good screen, but his rolling has not always been great. But that's not what I dislike. I really dislike how we get so clogged up in the lane with Kanter and slow down.

The question is all about health. If he's not healthy, it's not worth it to invest in Noah as a rotation guy. However so far this season whenever I have seen him, he looks healthy. He looked in preseason action as well. If he's really healthy, use him in a 20 to 25 minutes a night role. I think a healty Noah is one of the better Centers in the league.

Worth trying perhaps this rotation a few games

Kanter (16) O'Quinn (12) Noah (14). This leaves 6 minutes at the end of the games, where you can decide which 5 to close the game with. Could even be Porzingis at 5. All depends on how they are playing. One thing I'm sure about, there's no way this team is moving forward or going to be a playoff team if Kanter is playing 30 minutes a game and is our second option, and we're posting him up a lot. That just won't work.

Agree. Noah has looked good in his few brief minutes this year. He’s been active defensively and there is need for that IMO.

nixluva wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:

WP76 wrote:Give Noah credit for his effort in tonight's win. However, I'm not ready to give him major minutes yet. He's easy to gameplan, can't create his own shot, and offensively it's four on five for us when he's on the floor. Again, good effort but still have to tap the brakes a little bit.

I don't think it's 4 on 5 if he's rolling to the basket like he was tonight.

I agree completely can't make the statement that he's back just based on 1 night. It could be a mirage or fluke.
But this was how Noah played in his peak. He was this active, this much impact, for about 30 minutes a night. He's a great passer, great screen setter and roller. It's not 4 on 5 if your big is able to set screens to open up shots for others. Noah knows how to do many things on offense. What I hate about when we play with Kanter, Kanter rarely sees the open man with a pass. He'll set a very good screen, but his rolling has not always been great. But that's not what I dislike. I really dislike how we get so clogged up in the lane with Kanter and slow down.

The question is all about health. If he's not healthy, it's not worth it to invest in Noah as a rotation guy. However so far this season whenever I have seen him, he looks healthy. He looked in preseason action as well. If he's really healthy, use him in a 20 to 25 minutes a night role. I think a healty Noah is one of the better Centers in the league.

Worth trying perhaps this rotation a few games

Kanter (16) O'Quinn (12) Noah (14). This leaves 6 minutes at the end of the games, where you can decide which 5 to close the game with. Could even be Porzingis at 5. All depends on how they are playing. One thing I'm sure about, there's no way this team is moving forward or going to be a playoff team if Kanter is playing 30 minutes a game and is our second option, and we're posting him up a lot. That just won't work.

Agree. Noah has looked good in his few brief minutes this year. He’s been active defensively and there is need for that IMO.

What I've noticed with Porzingis/Kamter, when they play together, we begin to play more and more like that. Because both are good scorers. Both can post up and score in isolations. Without Tim, it's only made matters worse as Tim was able to create from outside. The lack of a point guard that can attack the basket and get players open looks is another issue that makes things worse for Kanter/KP,

All I'm saying is I've seen enough of the league right now to know that if you're playing a post up guy at 5 and 4 that's also looking to post up (even if he's out of the low post) it won't work on offense at a high level. We're not a better team this year because of offense, we're a better team this year because we have more active players who defend and the team's effort/energy level is much higher.

On offense I think we could be playing much better if we made some lineup adjustments and when we get a healthy THj back.

nyknickzingis wrote:

Marv wrote:

nixluva wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:

WP76 wrote:Give Noah credit for his effort in tonight's win. However, I'm not ready to give him major minutes yet. He's easy to gameplan, can't create his own shot, and offensively it's four on five for us when he's on the floor. Again, good effort but still have to tap the brakes a little bit.

I don't think it's 4 on 5 if he's rolling to the basket like he was tonight.

I agree completely can't make the statement that he's back just based on 1 night. It could be a mirage or fluke.
But this was how Noah played in his peak. He was this active, this much impact, for about 30 minutes a night. He's a great passer, great screen setter and roller. It's not 4 on 5 if your big is able to set screens to open up shots for others. Noah knows how to do many things on offense. What I hate about when we play with Kanter, Kanter rarely sees the open man with a pass. He'll set a very good screen, but his rolling has not always been great. But that's not what I dislike. I really dislike how we get so clogged up in the lane with Kanter and slow down.

The question is all about health. If he's not healthy, it's not worth it to invest in Noah as a rotation guy. However so far this season whenever I have seen him, he looks healthy. He looked in preseason action as well. If he's really healthy, use him in a 20 to 25 minutes a night role. I think a healty Noah is one of the better Centers in the league.

Worth trying perhaps this rotation a few games

Kanter (16) O'Quinn (12) Noah (14). This leaves 6 minutes at the end of the games, where you can decide which 5 to close the game with. Could even be Porzingis at 5. All depends on how they are playing. One thing I'm sure about, there's no way this team is moving forward or going to be a playoff team if Kanter is playing 30 minutes a game and is our second option, and we're posting him up a lot. That just won't work.

Agree. Noah has looked good in his few brief minutes this year. He’s been active defensively and there is need for that IMO.

wow. u're really ready to dismiss everything kanter's given us this year? If he hadn't gotten hurt to the point where he was throwing down crutches to take the court anc if thj weren't out for so long i bet our record would be very different and kanter would be getting a very different review on this board.

Kanter's impact has been huge off the court.
I think he's given the team an identity and togetherness.
It's really good when you have a player like that.

What I'm debating is what his true role should be.
I'm not advocating giving Kanter DNP-Coaches decision. I'm advocating Kanter posting up less, or the team running an offense where Kanter is not posting up when KP is out there with him. Or perhaps playing KP more with O'Quinn and Noah, and Kamter more with Beasley or Lance Thomas at the 4.

We should try to get better on offense because it's holding us back. Post ups and going to Kanter inside is one of the worst things we should be trying to do. We fall into a trap when we do this. We get into a game where you have two good scoring bigs - KP and Kamter - both working hard to be try and fed the ball. This slows down the offense, gives it to no real other option and this is what I call falling into a trap. You feed them a few times and they score easily and you think, hey I can keep doing this. Only the defense adjusts makes the post entry passes harder and all of a sudden you have no offense.

i don't see what this team has established on offense at all this year other than kp/ek inside and then others playing off it once it's gotten going.

MS wrote:Plenty of minutes to go around at the 4/5.
KP - 35
OQ -20
Noah - 15
Kanter - 30

Noah gets up in peoples faces and a few minutes each quarter to keep the intensity up is exactly what the team needs.

It sucks that Willy can't even get a minute, but at some point I'm sure the management will make a decision on what to do.

GustavBahler wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:According to MSG, KP/Kanter are the second most efficient frontcourt combo in the league, the best being Davis/Cousins.

Bet you guys anything. We could trade for an even better center than Kanter, and would hear almost immediately (Briggs) that we need another upgrade.

As for Noah, give him stretches where he can go all out. Try to get another team interested. In the meantime, a healthy Noah (with playoff experience) would be a big plus if he can stay healthy for the rest of the season, into hopefully the post season.

The on/off lineup is more important.
Kanter is a -2.2 on the court and a +3.3 without him.
It's a 5 point swing.

Why?
Not because Kanter isn't a good player, but because I think Kanter is most effective with a stretch 4 like Lance Thomas or even Beasley, than Porzingis. Porzingis and Kanter have become very predictable, they post up and the offense slows down. Jeff wants the team to speed things up and get some quicker action going.

For example O'Quinn is a +3.1 with him, and -0.7 without him. Individually Kanter is better than O'Quinn, but what O'Quinn is able to do for us with his passing and shooting from distance, it really makes the team and unit as a hole better. This isn't about what Kanter can do individually, it's about what the advanced stats say about his net impact on the team. To be honest, I have yet to see a single argument based on statistics that Kanter is a core player for this team deserving of 30 minutes a night on a Porzingis led team. I think if we had a typical role player stretch 4 starting, Kanter could be a 18/12 core guy for us. However with the team being built around Porzingis, I think Kanter's best role would be in the 18 to 20 minutes range and he should be told to focus more on screen setting and rolling to the basket when KP is out there with him than posting up (even though he is very good at posting up). WHen KP is out, Kanter should go to work inside. Just my opinion based on what I've seen this season and the on/off numbers.

When the starting PG is at the bottom of the league in getting to the rim, getting to the line, 3pt shooting. The +\- of Kanter and the rest of the starting lineup means little. By most indicators, Kanter is getting the job done, and then some.

Kanter cant move the ball like O'Quinn, and KOQ can't dominate inside like Kanter can. I have yet to hear a good argument that Kanter only puts up empty stats, like David Lee did for most of his career. I doubt we would be in the hunt for the playoffs without Kanter.

Plug in a legit starting PG, in his prime, and I'll bet you Kanter's +/- improves.

The Turkish big man currently ranks second in offensive rebound rate (16.6 percent) and fourth in overall rebound rate (22.8 percent) among qualified players.

What’s more, the 25-year-old has scored an absurd 119 points off of put-backs in 2017-18, the second-highest total in the league, trailing only Andre Drummond.

Among players with over 100 post-up opportunities this season (passes included), Kanter ranks No. 3 in points per possession (PPP) at 1.04. That mark only trails Denver Nuggets star Nikola Jokic (1.09) and Minnesota Timberwolves freak Karl-Anthony Towns (1.05), per Synergy Sports Tech.

the New York Knickerbocker is now averaging 1.4 assists per contest. Prior to 2017-18, Kanter had never averaged more than 0.9 nightly dimes, making his vast improvement as a distributor all the more impressive.

when Kanter has been double-teamed on the left block this season, his passing out to shooters has produced 1.35 PPP, the best rate in the league, per Synergy.

Kanter is also on pace to finish the season with positive scores in both Defensive Box Plus/Minus, as well as NBA Math’s Defensive Points Saved – a feat the 6-foot-11 bruiser has never accomplished before.

Overall, Kanter is averaging 13.7 points and 10.3 rebounds per outing. He’s hitting a career-high 59.3 percent of his field-goal attempts and a career-best 88.7 percent of his freebies.

mattshaw78 wrote:How was this not an offensive foul?

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Great game. I know they coughed up a big lead but surviving crunch time is what its all about.

Juliano wrote:

fishmike wrote:he's never gonna get that call. It was a stupid play by Baker to throw his body up there when AD had a clear dunk. One could say AD was simply protecting himself there also.

Doens't seem very intuitive though that someone could smash another pepople's face like this yet still get the call.

It's not intuitive,it's plain stupid. This is why NBA loses fans every year, idiotic rules enhanced why ridiculous officiating.