Bonn1997 wrote:Welpee wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:reub wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:Kanter is a higher usage scorer but Kyle scores with similar efficiency. Kanter does rebound slightly better on the offensive boards but Kyle is the much better passer and while getting another offensive possession is great it does not always lead to pts. Kyle assist making actually leads to points and he still has a better ast to turnover rate than Kanter. Plus when you add in defensive impact and the ledger goes to O'quinn being the better player not to mention he is being paid less money and can fit into most teams cap plans which hopefully will bring value come deadline time.They both need to go before/at the deadline.
Kanter is a higher usage player because he's rebounding all of the missed shots and placing them directly in the basket.
We could all agree KOQ is better than Kanter on defense, right?
It's not even clear Kanter is better on offense though. If you count assists as 2 points, KOQ is bringing more scoring per 36 min than Kanter is. The offensive rebounding probably makes the overall offensive contribution about even though. But then you have to factor in the defense and that KOQ would cost half and allow us to spend 8 figures on a PG or SF.
KOQ's age does make me hesitant though. I'm not certain I'd bring either back.
KOQ is a better shot blocker, I'll give you that. He may indeed be a slightly better all around defensive player but not by much. Kanter certainly isn't as bad as advertised when he arrived. And if you're going to drop some advanced metrics you need to factor in KOQ comes off the bench playing against the other team's 2nd unit.
He probably plays a little more against 2nd units but I suspect this excuse is overused. Coaches don't sub at the same time and Kanter and KOQ have an unusual minute distribution (Kanter playing much less than most starters). The big point though is Kanter is going to cost way more than KOQ. He needs to be unambiguously better on both ends or way better on one end of the court. He doesn't meet that standard or even come close.
I think people are overeating Kanter because he talks tough and plays through injury. Arguably, that matters a little but you have to base your decisions on the player's production not talk.
Kanter is averaging a little over 25 minutes per game. At minimum 10 of those minutes (start of the game and start of the 2nd half) are coming against the other team's best big man. Unless you go through the box score of each game and reconcile who is on the court when each is in the game (or unless there's some metric out there logging any of this) you will never know for sure, but from the eye test KOQ is probably posting most of his minutes against the other team's 2nd unit.
Do you really think KOQ is capable of posting 20 pts/16 reb games as often as Kanter? KOQ is a diminishing returns type player. Consistently give him more minutes and watch what happens with his numbers and level of play. There's a reason he has never averaged more than 15-17 minutes per game.
Whether folks like it or not, players posting double/doubles playing only 25 minutes per game will get paid.