CrushAlot wrote:

Cartman718 wrote:Now do you guys see why we need to start frank and Dotson until THJr comes back?
What is the point of not starting them? Might as well let them gain experience

Frank frustrated me as a ball handler tonight. Seems like the kKnicks are putting KP in the Melo role lately. Frank needs to up the aggression on offense.

This is why I want Willy to get PT. Frank, Willy and KP need to be playing together through these losses to learn.

Hornachek hasn't made any adjustments he has seen the last four games like this and he isn't adjusting his offense. Teams have figured out we won't hit the cutter on the wings that we trust KP or Beasley or Kanter more. We really miss THJ in this regard. But as a coach Horny should have adjusted by now. Maybe more pick and rolls. Maybe more encouragement to the wings to cut harder and to tell the guards to trust the wings to make those shots.

The worst thing that has happened to this team is Beasley and Kanter going off. Now we are a 3 man ISO team. Nothing like seasons start.

Beasley has no business being in a NBA rotation of a playoff team.
Kanter should be more of a screen and roll and post sprinter.
KP needs to be told to cut down on the three point shots.

By the time the road games catch up with the home games maybe we will be so out of the playoffs that Horny will see the light and play Willy, Baker, Dotson, Frank. I have zero interest in being where I fear the Knicks are headed. 35 wins. Just out of the playoffs while favoring veteran players over draft picks. We are relying way too much on players who likely won't be here a year or two from now.

How do the Knicks get killed on the boards with two 7 footers? Porzingis rebounded better last year. Today his rebounding was pathetic.

nyknickzingis wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Cartman718 wrote:Now do you guys see why we need to start frank and Dotson until THJr comes back?
What is the point of not starting them? Might as well let them gain experience

Frank frustrated me as a ball handler tonight. Seems like the kKnicks are putting KP in the Melo role lately. Frank needs to up the aggression on offense.

The offense is bogging down to isolations
Teams have figured out that they won't hit the cutters or off the ball guys on the wings and even if they do teams aren't afraid of CLee or McD going off
Offense has come down to us feeding Porzingis Beasley or Kanter and all 3 don't even look to pass once the ball is with them.

This is why I want Willy to get PT. Frank, Willy and KP need to be playing together through these losses to learn.

Hornachek hasn't made any adjustments he has seen the last four games like this and he isn't adjusting his offense. Teams have figured out we won't hit the cutter on the wings that we trust KP or Beasley or Kanter more. We really miss THJ in this regard. But as a coach Horny should have adjusted by now. Maybe more pick and rolls. Maybe more encouragement to the wings to cut harder and to tell the guards to trust the wings to make those shots.

The worst thing that has happened to this team is Beasley and Kanter going off. Now we are a 3 man ISO team. Nothing like seasons start.

Beasley has no business being in a NBA rotation of a playoff team.
Kanter should be more of a screen and roll and post sprinter.
KP needs to be told to cut down on the three point shots.

By the time the road games catch up with the home games maybe we will be so out of the playoffs that Horny will see the light and play Willy, Baker, Dotson, Frank.

The team we have around him right now is full of guys good at one but not the other skill.

Can shoot - Lee, McD
Can pass not shoot - Baker, Frank, Jack
Can score but not really anything else on O - Kanter, Beasley

Good teams have a couple of players capable to be double or triple threats from the perimeter

To his credit Hardaway was playing like a quality double threat before he got hurt.

When Frank starts to make some shots I think he can be a double threat player ... guy that can be a passer a pnr guy or a spot up shooter ... same for THJ. Rest of the team ... nope. CLee needs to come off the bench.

nyknickzingis wrote:I think the way Porzingis plays you have to get multiple double threats around him
Players equally competent at passing and shooting

The team we have around him right now is full of guys good at one but not the other skill.

Can shoot - Lee, McD
Can pass not shoot - Baker, Frank, Jack
Can score but not really anything else on O - Kanter, Beasley

Good teams have a couple of players capable to be double or triple threats from the perimeter

To his credit Hardaway was playing like a quality double threat before he got hurt.

When Frank starts to make some shots I think he can be a double threat player ... guy that can be a passer a pnr guy or a spot up shooter ... same for THJ. Rest of the team ... nope. CLee needs to come off the bench.

Cartman718 wrote:Now do you guys see why we need to start frank and Dotson until THJr comes back?
What is the point of not starting them? Might as well let them gain experience

No way. Frank is like a deer in the headlights. Plays scared out there. Dotson maybe for a backup but starting??? No way

nyknickzingis wrote:

BigRedDog wrote:

Cartman718 wrote:Now do you guys see why we need to start frank and Dotson until THJr comes back?
What is the point of not starting them? Might as well let them gain experience

No way. Frank is like a deer in the headlights. Plays scared out there. Dotson maybe for a backup but starting??? No way

To me it's ok if they don't start
But playing guys who won't be here in a year or year and half for young draft picks is insane

My case for Frank to start is so he sees the highest level of talent and also gets to play with Kristaps to develop chemistry there ... but it's ok if he doesn't start

What irks me is Willy getting DNP CD most of the season.
Dotson getting no run.

Come on ... these guys are your draft picks. You need to prioritize their development. Even 8-10 minutes consistently a game is something.

nyknickzingis wrote:No hate for Kanter
I just think his value is overrated on this board
He does not make the team better on either end
Advanced stats show the team plays better without him

I love his toughness and attitude but there was a reason OKC brought him off the bench.
Playoff contenders will not start guys like Kanter IMO
He's a great instant energy offense big

He gets the team a ton of extra possessions and that's worth its weight in gold. The best teams each year are always good rebounding teams and he's one of the best.

BigRedDog wrote:

Cartman718 wrote:Now do you guys see why we need to start frank and Dotson until THJr comes back?
What is the point of not starting them? Might as well let them gain experience

No way. Frank is like a deer in the headlights. Plays scared out there. Dotson maybe for a backup but starting??? No way

Would you rather give McDermott and LT starting mins until THJr comes back? or is Dotson going to be part of the future behind Timmy?

nyknickzingis wrote:I think the way Porzingis plays you have to get multiple double threats around him
Players equally competent at passing and shooting

The team we have around him right now is full of guys good at one but not the other skill.

Can shoot - Lee, McD
Can pass not shoot - Baker, Frank, Jack
Can score but not really anything else on O - Kanter, Beasley

Good teams have a couple of players capable to be double or triple threats from the perimeter

To his credit Hardaway was playing like a quality double threat before he got hurt.

When Frank starts to make some shots I think he can be a double threat player ... guy that can be a passer a pnr guy or a spot up shooter ... same for THJ. Rest of the team ... nope. CLee needs to come off the bench.

We are going nowhere till we get a swiss army knife SF