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Bonn1997
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12/27/2017  12:00 PM
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Bonn1997 wrote:3 - This is the Knicks. We likely will outbid the next highest team by at least 20 mil. We may also give a little more than we have to out of respect. I'd be shocked if Kanter gets less than TH. I think he gets somewhere between 75 mil and almost a max contract.
New regime. Based on what you've seen thus far what makes you believe Perry/Mills will operate as the other former GMs have? I think so far they've been pretty fiscally responsible and have gotten a lot of mileage for the money they've spent.

It's a new regime. That's why I said 20 mil (not 50 mil). That's what we did for TH. We probably paid double for Baker too.
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12/27/2017  12:06 PM
Knixkik wrote:Leading up to this summer, there will be a lot of talk about Kanter's contract situation. He has a player option this summer, and who knows whether or not he will pick it up. What i do know is, this is turning into an ideal situation for the Knicks. You have a handful of teams with cap space. Dallas, Atlanta, Chicago, and LA, and i don't see any of them going after Kanter. Kanter, for all of his strengths and ideal fit on this team, is still a middle-of-the-pack starting center at best. There is a surplus of good, but not great centers in the league right now. The Noah/Mahinmi/Biyombo money just isn't going to be there for any of these guys ever again. The league going smaller, few teams having space, and the surplus of centers will combined for a rough situation for guys like Kanter. The Noel snafu last summer adds to the potential difficulties for some of these guys. That money will never be there again for him. These guys can see the writing on the wall.

My guess is Kanter takes his opt in and delays free agency, or tries to get an extension on his contract, even at a significant paycut. We might land him for 12 mil a year or so. It's better than riding out his contract and getting stuck taking the mid-level exception, which some of these guys will be doing this summer.

All in all, giving the circumstances, my guess is we are able to keep Kanter on a long-term value contract. Considering what he brings to the table, it's a steal. Getting him in the Melo deal is turning out to be quite a prize for this team if we are able to keep him on a team friendly deal.

I agree. When it looked like we couldn't win a game without him earlier. I was kind of nervous about what he could command. But I have thought about the situation similar to how you have. There aren't a lot of teams with cap space. This draft his loaded with big men which teams will probably prefer to draft and save money on a FA that will command large money. NBA has also gone away from Bigs like Kanter. A lot of things are working against Kanter's market.

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12/27/2017  12:13 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/27/2017  12:15 PM
EnySpree wrote:Kanter wants to be here. He associates the team with family. He adopted the city. He's very friendly with the fans. I think he will override his agent to stay here. We have a good thing going with Kanter and KP.... we can't keep flipping guys chasing draft picks and cheap value players.

The real question needs to go to what we do with Noah, Willy and KOQ. 2 of those guys have to go.

Hardaway needs to get healthy. Courtney Lee has been great for us. We need better support from our bench. At times the guys we have can be brilliant. Other times they are a waste of space. Scott Perry has a really tough job to sort this all out


I've gone everywhere with different scenarios on what we should do but starting to think it's best to just sit on what we have now. We keep both C.Lee and J.Noah and in 2 years both come off the books giving us around $30 mil in cap space in 2020 with a very strong free agency list. If there's any trade this year it should be either Willy or KOQ or both. Not only will we have cap space to sign a star player but we'll also have added 3 1st round pick in the next 3 drafts along with whatever 2nd round picks we have. All we have to do is sit down with KP and sell him on waiting until 2020 until we add that next big piece to this team but we'll also still have a chance at being a good team up until that point with added draft picks and whatever smaller trades or free agent signings we make, who knows, maybe we get lucky and make a great trade or get a beast in the drafts up until that point which would only help in attracting that big name in 2020.

2020 free agents

Kawhi Leonard---i know he's most likely not leaving San Antonio but i'm just naming 2020 free agents
K.Irving--Ainge is really good at getting the guys he wants signed but if they don't make a championship by then then maybe he'd be happy elsewhere.
K.Lowry
A.Horford
H.Barnes--he could be perfect for our SF spot
K.Love
H.Whiteside
J.Teague
G.Hill
D.Gallo
J.Butler--would be a great signing
K.Middleton--would also be a great addition at SF

The list goes on and on. It's a huge free agency

Kyle Lowry TOR PG 31 14 UFA $33,333,333
Paul Millsap DEN PF 32 14 UFA $30,500,000
Al Horford BOS C 31 13 UFA $28,331,557
Hassan Whiteside MIA C 28 8 UFA $24,604,885
Harrison Barnes DAL SF 25 8 UFA $23,609,631
Kevin Love CLE C 29 12 UFA $22,642,350
Marc Gasol MEM C 32 12 UFA $22,642,350
Serge Ibaka TOR PF 28 11 UFA $21,666,667
Danilo Gallinari LAC SF 29 12 UFA $21,587,579
Ryan Anderson HOU PF 29 12 UFA $20,000,000
Jeff Teague MIN PG 29 11 UFA $19,000,000
George Hill SAC PG 31 12 UFA $19,000,000
Kawhi Leonard SAS SF 26 9 UFA $18,868,625
Kyrie Irving BOS PG 25 9 UFA $18,868,625
Allen Crabbe BKN SG 25 7 UFA $18,708,125
Jimmy Butler MIN SG 28 9 UFA $18,467,976
Joakim Noah NYK C 32 13 UFA $18,147,500
Luol Deng LAL SF 32 16 UFA $18,000,000
Bismack Biyombo ORL C 25 9 UFA $18,000,000
Kent Bazemore ATL SF 28 8 UFA $17,500,000
Evan Turner POR SG 29 10 UFA $17,500,000
Goran Dragic MIA PG 31 12 UFA $17,000,450
Draymond Green GSW PF 27 8 UFA $16,400,000
Tristan Thompson CLE C 26 9 UFA $16,400,000
Reggie Jackson DET PG 27 9 UFA $16,000,000
Jonas Valanciunas TOR C 25 8 UFA $16,000,000
Andre Iguodala GSW SF 33 16 UFA $16,000,000
Timofey Mozgov BKN C 31 10 UFA $16,000,000
Pau Gasol SAS PF 37 19 UFA $16,000,000
Ian Mahinmi WAS C 31 12 UFA $16,000,000
J.R. Smith CLE SG 32 16 UFA $14,250,000
Brandon Knight PHX PG 26 9 UFA $14,000,000
Khris Middleton MIL SF 26 8 UFA $14,000,000
Mason Plumlee DEN C 27 7 UFA $13,666,667
Marvin Williams CHA PF 31 15 UFA $13,628,125
Eric Gordon HOU SG 28 12 UFA $13,221,622
Michael Kidd-Gilchrist CHA SF 24 8 UFA $13,000,000
Tyler Johnson BKN SG 24 6 UFA $12,500,000
Jordan Clarkson LAL PG 25 6 UFA $12,500,000
Miles Plumlee ATL C 29 8 UFA $12,500,000
Courtney Lee NYK SG 32 12 UFA $12,000,835
Solomon Hill NOP SF 26 7 UFA $12,000,000
John Henson MIL PF 26 8 UFA $12,000,000
Omer Asik NOP C 31 10 UFA $11,595,505
Maurice Harkless POR SF 24 8 UFA $10,500,000
Jon Leuer DET PF 28 9 UFA $10,500,000
Meyers Leonard POR PF 25 8 UFA $10,250,000
Andre Roberson OKC SG 26 7 UFA $10,000,000
Matthew Dellavedova MIL PG 27 7 UFA $9,607,500
Dwight Powell DAL PF 26 6 UFA $9,317,188
Bogdan Bogdanovic SAC SG 25 3 RFA $9,000,000
E'Twaun Moore NOP SG 28 9 UFA $8,500,000
C.J. Miles TOR SF 30 15 UFA $8,333,333
Shaun Livingston GSW PG 32 15 UFA $7,897,436
Kyle Korver CLE SG 36 17 UFA $7,353,333
D.J. Augustin ORL PG 30 12 UFA $7,250,000
Jae Crowder CLE SF 27 8 UFA $7,000,000
Langston Galloway DET PG 26 6 UFA $7,000,000
Lance Thomas NYK SF 29 9 UFA $6,887,488
Jonathon Simmons ORL SF 28 5 UFA $6,666,667
Ben Simmons PHI PG 21 4 RFA $6,168,840
Alan Williams PHX PF 24 5 UFA $5,666,667
Brandon Ingram LAL SF 20 4 RFA $5,519,400
Patrick Patterson OKC PF 28 10 UFA $5,451,600
Jaylen Brown BOS SF 21 4 RFA $4,956,480
Kyle Singler OKC SF 29 8 UFA $4,750,000
Dragan Bender PHX PF 20 4 RFA $4,468,800
Kris Dunn CHI PG 23 4 RFA $4,046,760
Domantas Sabonis IND PF 21 4 RFA $3,825,000
Buddy Hield SAC SG 24 4 RFA $3,675,480
Nene Hilario HOU C 35 18 UFA $3,651,480
Jamal Murray DEN PG 20 4 RFA $3,355,320
Marquese Chriss PHX PF 20 4 RFA $3,073,800
Jakob Poeltl TOR C 22 4 RFA $2,825,640
Cedi Osman CLE SF 22 3 RFA $2,772,355
Thon Maker MIL PF 20 4 RFA $2,684,160
Taurean Prince ATL SF 23 4 RFA $2,422,560
Dario Saric PHI SF 23 4 RFA $2,422,560
Georgios Papagiannis SAC C 20 4 RFA $2,301,360
Denzel Valentine CHI SG 24 4 RFA $2,186,400
Juan Hernangomez DEN PF 22 4 UFA $2,076,880
Malik Beasley DEN SG 21 4 RFA $1,958,379
Eric Moreland DET PF 26 5 UFA $1,826,300
Henry Ellenson DET PF 20 4 RFA $1,780,800
Caris LeVert BKN SG 23 4 RFA $1,632,520
DeAndre' Bembry ATL SG 23 4 RFA $1,567,200
Troy Williams HOU SF 22 4 UFA $1,564,356
Malachi Richardson SAC SG 21 4 RFA $1,504,600
Willy Hernangomez NYK C 23 4 UFA $1,466,125
Frank Mason SAC PG 23 3 RFA $1,393,716
Timothe Luwawu-Cabarrot PHI SG 22 4 RFA $1,386,640
Damyean Dotson NYK SG 23 3 RFA $1,365,587
Wesley Iwundu ORL SG 23 3 RFA $1,348,921
Dejounte Murray SAS PG 21 4 RFA $1,345,881
Damian Jones GSW C 22 4 RFA $1,332,906
Ike Anigbogu IND C 19 3 RFA $1,315,587
Skal Labissiere SAC PF 21 4 RFA $1,315,209
Deyonta Davis MEM C 21 4 RFA $1,307,614
Dillon Brooks MEM SF 21 3 RFA $1,270,792
Frank Jackson NOP PG 19 3 RFA $1,270,792
Sindarius Thornwell LAC SG 23 3 RFA $1,270,792
Royce O'Neal UTH SF 24 3 RFA $1,270,792
Dwayne Bacon CHA SG 22 3 RFA $1,270,792
Sterling Brown MIL SG 22 3 RFA $1,270,792
Pascal Siakam TOR PF 23 4 RFA $1,249,880
Ivan Rabb MEM PF 20 3 RFA $1,164,121
Isaiah Whitehead BKN PG 22 4 UFA $1,146,474
Jawun Evans LAC PG 21 3 RFA $1,096,929
Tyler Ulis PHX PG 21 4 UFA $1,000,000
Paul Zipser

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12/27/2017  12:32 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/27/2017  12:32 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
Welpee wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:3 - This is the Knicks. We likely will outbid the next highest team by at least 20 mil. We may also give a little more than we have to out of respect. I'd be shocked if Kanter gets less than TH. I think he gets somewhere between 75 mil and almost a max contract.
New regime. Based on what you've seen thus far what makes you believe Perry/Mills will operate as the other former GMs have? I think so far they've been pretty fiscally responsible and have gotten a lot of mileage for the money they've spent.

It's a new regime. That's why I said 20 mil (not 50 mil). That's what we did for TH. We probably paid double for Baker too.
If I'm not mistaken, wasn't Baker signed after Phil was fired but before Perry was hired? Also, it's common knowledge if you want a restricted free agent you have to structure the contract in a way that the current team won't match it. So you have to treat that differently than the Noah unrestricted free agent contract debacle.
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12/27/2017  12:43 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/27/2017  12:43 PM
Welpee wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Welpee wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:3 - This is the Knicks. We likely will outbid the next highest team by at least 20 mil. We may also give a little more than we have to out of respect. I'd be shocked if Kanter gets less than TH. I think he gets somewhere between 75 mil and almost a max contract.
New regime. Based on what you've seen thus far what makes you believe Perry/Mills will operate as the other former GMs have? I think so far they've been pretty fiscally responsible and have gotten a lot of mileage for the money they've spent.

It's a new regime. That's why I said 20 mil (not 50 mil). That's what we did for TH. We probably paid double for Baker too.
If I'm not mistaken, wasn't Baker signed after Phil was fired but before Perry was hired? Also, it's common knowledge if you want a restricted free agent you have to structure the contract in a way that the current team won't match it. So you have to treat that differently than the Noah unrestricted free agent contract debacle.

As imperfect as it is, TH is the only data point we have then. It's either that or guess blindly.
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12/27/2017  12:45 PM
newyorker4ever wrote:
EnySpree wrote:Kanter wants to be here. He associates the team with family. He adopted the city. He's very friendly with the fans. I think he will override his agent to stay here. We have a good thing going with Kanter and KP.... we can't keep flipping guys chasing draft picks and cheap value players.

The real question needs to go to what we do with Noah, Willy and KOQ. 2 of those guys have to go.

Hardaway needs to get healthy. Courtney Lee has been great for us. We need better support from our bench. At times the guys we have can be brilliant. Other times they are a waste of space. Scott Perry has a really tough job to sort this all out


I've gone everywhere with different scenarios on what we should do but starting to think it's best to just sit on what we have now. We keep both C.Lee and J.Noah and in 2 years both come off the books giving us around $30 mil in cap space in 2020 with a very strong free agency list. If there's any trade this year it should be either Willy or KOQ or both. Not only will we have cap space to sign a star player but we'll also have added 3 1st round pick in the next 3 drafts along with whatever 2nd round picks we have. All we have to do is sit down with KP and sell him on waiting until 2020 until we add that next big piece to this team but we'll also still have a chance at being a good team up until that point with added draft picks and whatever smaller trades or free agent signings we make, who knows, maybe we get lucky and make a great trade or get a beast in the drafts up until that point which would only help in attracting that big name in 2020.

2020 free agents

Kawhi Leonard---i know he's most likely not leaving San Antonio but i'm just naming 2020 free agents
K.Irving--Ainge is really good at getting the guys he wants signed but if they don't make a championship by then then maybe he'd be happy elsewhere.
K.Lowry
A.Horford
H.Barnes--he could be perfect for our SF spot
K.Love
H.Whiteside
J.Teague
G.Hill
D.Gallo
J.Butler--would be a great signing
K.Middleton--would also be a great addition at SF

The list goes on and on. It's a huge free agency

Kyle Lowry TOR PG 31 14 UFA $33,333,333
Paul Millsap DEN PF 32 14 UFA $30,500,000
Al Horford BOS C 31 13 UFA $28,331,557
Hassan Whiteside MIA C 28 8 UFA $24,604,885
Harrison Barnes DAL SF 25 8 UFA $23,609,631
Kevin Love CLE C 29 12 UFA $22,642,350
Marc Gasol MEM C 32 12 UFA $22,642,350
Serge Ibaka TOR PF 28 11 UFA $21,666,667
Danilo Gallinari LAC SF 29 12 UFA $21,587,579
Ryan Anderson HOU PF 29 12 UFA $20,000,000
Jeff Teague MIN PG 29 11 UFA $19,000,000
George Hill SAC PG 31 12 UFA $19,000,000
Kawhi Leonard SAS SF 26 9 UFA $18,868,625
Kyrie Irving BOS PG 25 9 UFA $18,868,625
Allen Crabbe BKN SG 25 7 UFA $18,708,125
Jimmy Butler MIN SG 28 9 UFA $18,467,976
Joakim Noah NYK C 32 13 UFA $18,147,500
Luol Deng LAL SF 32 16 UFA $18,000,000
Bismack Biyombo ORL C 25 9 UFA $18,000,000
Kent Bazemore ATL SF 28 8 UFA $17,500,000
Evan Turner POR SG 29 10 UFA $17,500,000
Goran Dragic MIA PG 31 12 UFA $17,000,450
Draymond Green GSW PF 27 8 UFA $16,400,000
Tristan Thompson CLE C 26 9 UFA $16,400,000
Reggie Jackson DET PG 27 9 UFA $16,000,000
Jonas Valanciunas TOR C 25 8 UFA $16,000,000
Andre Iguodala GSW SF 33 16 UFA $16,000,000
Timofey Mozgov BKN C 31 10 UFA $16,000,000
Pau Gasol SAS PF 37 19 UFA $16,000,000
Ian Mahinmi WAS C 31 12 UFA $16,000,000
J.R. Smith CLE SG 32 16 UFA $14,250,000
Brandon Knight PHX PG 26 9 UFA $14,000,000
Khris Middleton MIL SF 26 8 UFA $14,000,000
Mason Plumlee DEN C 27 7 UFA $13,666,667
Marvin Williams CHA PF 31 15 UFA $13,628,125
Eric Gordon HOU SG 28 12 UFA $13,221,622
Michael Kidd-Gilchrist CHA SF 24 8 UFA $13,000,000
Tyler Johnson BKN SG 24 6 UFA $12,500,000
Jordan Clarkson LAL PG 25 6 UFA $12,500,000
Miles Plumlee ATL C 29 8 UFA $12,500,000
Courtney Lee NYK SG 32 12 UFA $12,000,835
Solomon Hill NOP SF 26 7 UFA $12,000,000
John Henson MIL PF 26 8 UFA $12,000,000
Omer Asik NOP C 31 10 UFA $11,595,505
Maurice Harkless POR SF 24 8 UFA $10,500,000
Jon Leuer DET PF 28 9 UFA $10,500,000
Meyers Leonard POR PF 25 8 UFA $10,250,000
Andre Roberson OKC SG 26 7 UFA $10,000,000
Matthew Dellavedova MIL PG 27 7 UFA $9,607,500
Dwight Powell DAL PF 26 6 UFA $9,317,188
Bogdan Bogdanovic SAC SG 25 3 RFA $9,000,000
E'Twaun Moore NOP SG 28 9 UFA $8,500,000
C.J. Miles TOR SF 30 15 UFA $8,333,333
Shaun Livingston GSW PG 32 15 UFA $7,897,436
Kyle Korver CLE SG 36 17 UFA $7,353,333
D.J. Augustin ORL PG 30 12 UFA $7,250,000
Jae Crowder CLE SF 27 8 UFA $7,000,000
Langston Galloway DET PG 26 6 UFA $7,000,000
Lance Thomas NYK SF 29 9 UFA $6,887,488
Jonathon Simmons ORL SF 28 5 UFA $6,666,667
Ben Simmons PHI PG 21 4 RFA $6,168,840
Alan Williams PHX PF 24 5 UFA $5,666,667
Brandon Ingram LAL SF 20 4 RFA $5,519,400
Patrick Patterson OKC PF 28 10 UFA $5,451,600
Jaylen Brown BOS SF 21 4 RFA $4,956,480
Kyle Singler OKC SF 29 8 UFA $4,750,000
Dragan Bender PHX PF 20 4 RFA $4,468,800
Kris Dunn CHI PG 23 4 RFA $4,046,760
Domantas Sabonis IND PF 21 4 RFA $3,825,000
Buddy Hield SAC SG 24 4 RFA $3,675,480
Nene Hilario HOU C 35 18 UFA $3,651,480
Jamal Murray DEN PG 20 4 RFA $3,355,320
Marquese Chriss PHX PF 20 4 RFA $3,073,800
Jakob Poeltl TOR C 22 4 RFA $2,825,640
Cedi Osman CLE SF 22 3 RFA $2,772,355
Thon Maker MIL PF 20 4 RFA $2,684,160
Taurean Prince ATL SF 23 4 RFA $2,422,560
Dario Saric PHI SF 23 4 RFA $2,422,560
Georgios Papagiannis SAC C 20 4 RFA $2,301,360
Denzel Valentine CHI SG 24 4 RFA $2,186,400
Juan Hernangomez DEN PF 22 4 UFA $2,076,880
Malik Beasley DEN SG 21 4 RFA $1,958,379
Eric Moreland DET PF 26 5 UFA $1,826,300
Henry Ellenson DET PF 20 4 RFA $1,780,800
Caris LeVert BKN SG 23 4 RFA $1,632,520
DeAndre' Bembry ATL SG 23 4 RFA $1,567,200
Troy Williams HOU SF 22 4 UFA $1,564,356
Malachi Richardson SAC SG 21 4 RFA $1,504,600
Willy Hernangomez NYK C 23 4 UFA $1,466,125
Frank Mason SAC PG 23 3 RFA $1,393,716
Timothe Luwawu-Cabarrot PHI SG 22 4 RFA $1,386,640
Damyean Dotson NYK SG 23 3 RFA $1,365,587
Wesley Iwundu ORL SG 23 3 RFA $1,348,921
Dejounte Murray SAS PG 21 4 RFA $1,345,881
Damian Jones GSW C 22 4 RFA $1,332,906
Ike Anigbogu IND C 19 3 RFA $1,315,587
Skal Labissiere SAC PF 21 4 RFA $1,315,209
Deyonta Davis MEM C 21 4 RFA $1,307,614
Dillon Brooks MEM SF 21 3 RFA $1,270,792
Frank Jackson NOP PG 19 3 RFA $1,270,792
Sindarius Thornwell LAC SG 23 3 RFA $1,270,792
Royce O'Neal UTH SF 24 3 RFA $1,270,792
Dwayne Bacon CHA SG 22 3 RFA $1,270,792
Sterling Brown MIL SG 22 3 RFA $1,270,792
Pascal Siakam TOR PF 23 4 RFA $1,249,880
Ivan Rabb MEM PF 20 3 RFA $1,164,121
Isaiah Whitehead BKN PG 22 4 UFA $1,146,474
Jawun Evans LAC PG 21 3 RFA $1,096,929
Tyler Ulis PHX PG 21 4 UFA $1,000,000
Paul Zipser


Middleton actually has an opt out in 2019 which he will likely use. I like him a lot as a 2019 signing.
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12/27/2017  12:48 PM
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ekstarks94 wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
EnySpree wrote:Kanter wants to be here. He associates the team with family. He adopted the city. He's very friendly with the fans. I think he will override his agent to stay here. We have a good thing going with Kanter and KP.... we can't keep flipping guys chasing draft picks and cheap value players.

The real question needs to go to what we do with Noah, Willy and KOQ. 2 of those guys have to go.

Hardaway needs to get healthy. Courtney Lee has been great for us. We need better support from our bench. At times the guys we have can be brilliant. Other times they are a waste of space. Scott Perry has a really tough job to sort this all out


I think Perry was being honest when he acknowledged that this was going to be a rebuilding year. A couple of things fell into place and we're better than expected, but we're still rebuilding. I can't be too upset because the roster is what it is. I agree, that we need to figure out what to do with our spare bigs. But let's be honest, no of those guys are going to bring back the wing help we need unless we package our first. Is it worth it at this point? I don't think so.

If Willy did not regress...which I strongly believe is temporary...he would bring us something decent...dunno about now

He appears to be behind Noah on the depth chart at this point.

And he should be. People are underestimating what a healthy Noah can still do for this team and for what he does on the court he'd fit in nicely playing next to KP with other scoring on the floor with them with Timmy and C.Lee or Dougie at SF.

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12/27/2017  1:00 PM
Middleton would be a great player for our open SF spot. H.Barnes would also be a nice piece for SF and if we wanted to go just 3-D at SF then J.Crowder will be out there as well. Many options for different positions in the 2020 draft and we don't even know if we wouldn't have already found our starting SF in free agency or one of the drafts leading up to 2020. The key is keeping C.Lee and J.Noah and letting them both come off the books after their contracts are over for the 2020 season.
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12/27/2017  1:36 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/27/2017  1:46 PM
newyorker4ever wrote:
Knixkik wrote:Leading up to this summer, there will be a lot of talk about Kanter's contract situation. He has a player option this summer, and who knows whether or not he will pick it up. What i do know is, this is turning into an ideal situation for the Knicks. You have a handful of teams with cap space. Dallas, Atlanta, Chicago, and LA, and i don't see any of them going after Kanter. Kanter, for all of his strengths and ideal fit on this team, is still a middle-of-the-pack starting center at best. There is a surplus of good, but not great centers in the league right now. The Noah/Mahinmi/Biyombo money just isn't going to be there for any of these guys ever again. The league going smaller, few teams having space, and the surplus of centers will combined for a rough situation for guys like Kanter. The Noel snafu last summer adds to the potential difficulties for some of these guys. That money will never be there again for him. These guys can see the writing on the wall.

My guess is Kanter takes his opt in and delays free agency, or tries to get an extension on his contract, even at a significant paycut. We might land him for 12 mil a year or so. It's better than riding out his contract and getting stuck taking the mid-level exception, which some of these guys will be doing this summer.

All in all, giving the circumstances, my guess is we are able to keep Kanter on a long-term value contract. Considering what he brings to the table, it's a steal. Getting him in the Melo deal is turning out to be quite a prize for this team if we are able to keep him on a team friendly deal.


I would love to get Kanter for $12 mil per but no way does he get paid that little. You say that the league is going away from centers but i don't see it that way, the league is changing from the old school center to the new taller but thinner centers that can shoot the 3 ball and guys that have athleticism. This next draft is loaded with centers that are longer and more mobile. Kanter is athletic and has great feet and movement. He's obviously no KP or M.Turner and isn't a 3 point shooter but he still has a starting place in this league and will get at least the $17-$18 mil per he's getting now.

Except a team like the Thunder, who desperately needed scoring next to Westbrook yet opted to bring him off the bench and hardly play him at all during the playoffs. Kanter is a nice bench player that can only be selectively used against certain teams in the playoffs. That isn't something you give starter money to.

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12/27/2017  1:41 PM
newyorker4ever wrote:
EnySpree wrote:Kanter wants to be here. He associates the team with family. He adopted the city. He's very friendly with the fans. I think he will override his agent to stay here. We have a good thing going with Kanter and KP.... we can't keep flipping guys chasing draft picks and cheap value players.

The real question needs to go to what we do with Noah, Willy and KOQ. 2 of those guys have to go.

Hardaway needs to get healthy. Courtney Lee has been great for us. We need better support from our bench. At times the guys we have can be brilliant. Other times they are a waste of space. Scott Perry has a really tough job to sort this all out


I've gone everywhere with different scenarios on what we should do but starting to think it's best to just sit on what we have now. We keep both C.Lee and J.Noah and in 2 years both come off the books giving us around $30 mil in cap space in 2020 with a very strong free agency list. If there's any trade this year it should be either Willy or KOQ or both. Not only will we have cap space to sign a star player but we'll also have added 3 1st round pick in the next 3 drafts along with whatever 2nd round picks we have. All we have to do is sit down with KP and sell him on waiting until 2020 until we add that next big piece to this team but we'll also still have a chance at being a good team up until that point with added draft picks and whatever smaller trades or free agent signings we make, who knows, maybe we get lucky and make a great trade or get a beast in the drafts up until that point which would only help in attracting that big name in 2020.

2020 free agents

Kawhi Leonard---i know he's most likely not leaving San Antonio but i'm just naming 2020 free agents
K.Irving--Ainge is really good at getting the guys he wants signed but if they don't make a championship by then then maybe he'd be happy elsewhere.
K.Lowry
A.Horford
H.Barnes--he could be perfect for our SF spot
K.Love
H.Whiteside
J.Teague
G.Hill
D.Gallo
J.Butler--would be a great signing
K.Middleton--would also be a great addition at SF

The list goes on and on. It's a huge free agency

Kyle Lowry TOR PG 31 14 UFA $33,333,333
Paul Millsap DEN PF 32 14 UFA $30,500,000
Al Horford BOS C 31 13 UFA $28,331,557
Hassan Whiteside MIA C 28 8 UFA $24,604,885
Harrison Barnes DAL SF 25 8 UFA $23,609,631
Kevin Love CLE C 29 12 UFA $22,642,350
Marc Gasol MEM C 32 12 UFA $22,642,350
Serge Ibaka TOR PF 28 11 UFA $21,666,667
Danilo Gallinari LAC SF 29 12 UFA $21,587,579
Ryan Anderson HOU PF 29 12 UFA $20,000,000
Jeff Teague MIN PG 29 11 UFA $19,000,000
George Hill SAC PG 31 12 UFA $19,000,000
Kawhi Leonard SAS SF 26 9 UFA $18,868,625
Kyrie Irving BOS PG 25 9 UFA $18,868,625
Allen Crabbe BKN SG 25 7 UFA $18,708,125
Jimmy Butler MIN SG 28 9 UFA $18,467,976
Joakim Noah NYK C 32 13 UFA $18,147,500
Luol Deng LAL SF 32 16 UFA $18,000,000
Bismack Biyombo ORL C 25 9 UFA $18,000,000
Kent Bazemore ATL SF 28 8 UFA $17,500,000
Evan Turner POR SG 29 10 UFA $17,500,000
Goran Dragic MIA PG 31 12 UFA $17,000,450
Draymond Green GSW PF 27 8 UFA $16,400,000
Tristan Thompson CLE C 26 9 UFA $16,400,000
Reggie Jackson DET PG 27 9 UFA $16,000,000
Jonas Valanciunas TOR C 25 8 UFA $16,000,000
Andre Iguodala GSW SF 33 16 UFA $16,000,000
Timofey Mozgov BKN C 31 10 UFA $16,000,000
Pau Gasol SAS PF 37 19 UFA $16,000,000
Ian Mahinmi WAS C 31 12 UFA $16,000,000
J.R. Smith CLE SG 32 16 UFA $14,250,000
Brandon Knight PHX PG 26 9 UFA $14,000,000
Khris Middleton MIL SF 26 8 UFA $14,000,000
Mason Plumlee DEN C 27 7 UFA $13,666,667
Marvin Williams CHA PF 31 15 UFA $13,628,125
Eric Gordon HOU SG 28 12 UFA $13,221,622
Michael Kidd-Gilchrist CHA SF 24 8 UFA $13,000,000
Tyler Johnson BKN SG 24 6 UFA $12,500,000
Jordan Clarkson LAL PG 25 6 UFA $12,500,000
Miles Plumlee ATL C 29 8 UFA $12,500,000
Courtney Lee NYK SG 32 12 UFA $12,000,835
Solomon Hill NOP SF 26 7 UFA $12,000,000
John Henson MIL PF 26 8 UFA $12,000,000
Omer Asik NOP C 31 10 UFA $11,595,505
Maurice Harkless POR SF 24 8 UFA $10,500,000
Jon Leuer DET PF 28 9 UFA $10,500,000
Meyers Leonard POR PF 25 8 UFA $10,250,000
Andre Roberson OKC SG 26 7 UFA $10,000,000
Matthew Dellavedova MIL PG 27 7 UFA $9,607,500
Dwight Powell DAL PF 26 6 UFA $9,317,188
Bogdan Bogdanovic SAC SG 25 3 RFA $9,000,000
E'Twaun Moore NOP SG 28 9 UFA $8,500,000
C.J. Miles TOR SF 30 15 UFA $8,333,333
Shaun Livingston GSW PG 32 15 UFA $7,897,436
Kyle Korver CLE SG 36 17 UFA $7,353,333
D.J. Augustin ORL PG 30 12 UFA $7,250,000
Jae Crowder CLE SF 27 8 UFA $7,000,000
Langston Galloway DET PG 26 6 UFA $7,000,000
Lance Thomas NYK SF 29 9 UFA $6,887,488
Jonathon Simmons ORL SF 28 5 UFA $6,666,667
Ben Simmons PHI PG 21 4 RFA $6,168,840
Alan Williams PHX PF 24 5 UFA $5,666,667
Brandon Ingram LAL SF 20 4 RFA $5,519,400
Patrick Patterson OKC PF 28 10 UFA $5,451,600
Jaylen Brown BOS SF 21 4 RFA $4,956,480
Kyle Singler OKC SF 29 8 UFA $4,750,000
Dragan Bender PHX PF 20 4 RFA $4,468,800
Kris Dunn CHI PG 23 4 RFA $4,046,760
Domantas Sabonis IND PF 21 4 RFA $3,825,000
Buddy Hield SAC SG 24 4 RFA $3,675,480
Nene Hilario HOU C 35 18 UFA $3,651,480
Jamal Murray DEN PG 20 4 RFA $3,355,320
Marquese Chriss PHX PF 20 4 RFA $3,073,800
Jakob Poeltl TOR C 22 4 RFA $2,825,640
Cedi Osman CLE SF 22 3 RFA $2,772,355
Thon Maker MIL PF 20 4 RFA $2,684,160
Taurean Prince ATL SF 23 4 RFA $2,422,560
Dario Saric PHI SF 23 4 RFA $2,422,560
Georgios Papagiannis SAC C 20 4 RFA $2,301,360
Denzel Valentine CHI SG 24 4 RFA $2,186,400
Juan Hernangomez DEN PF 22 4 UFA $2,076,880
Malik Beasley DEN SG 21 4 RFA $1,958,379
Eric Moreland DET PF 26 5 UFA $1,826,300
Henry Ellenson DET PF 20 4 RFA $1,780,800
Caris LeVert BKN SG 23 4 RFA $1,632,520
DeAndre' Bembry ATL SG 23 4 RFA $1,567,200
Troy Williams HOU SF 22 4 UFA $1,564,356
Malachi Richardson SAC SG 21 4 RFA $1,504,600
Willy Hernangomez NYK C 23 4 UFA $1,466,125
Frank Mason SAC PG 23 3 RFA $1,393,716
Timothe Luwawu-Cabarrot PHI SG 22 4 RFA $1,386,640
Damyean Dotson NYK SG 23 3 RFA $1,365,587
Wesley Iwundu ORL SG 23 3 RFA $1,348,921
Dejounte Murray SAS PG 21 4 RFA $1,345,881
Damian Jones GSW C 22 4 RFA $1,332,906
Ike Anigbogu IND C 19 3 RFA $1,315,587
Skal Labissiere SAC PF 21 4 RFA $1,315,209
Deyonta Davis MEM C 21 4 RFA $1,307,614
Dillon Brooks MEM SF 21 3 RFA $1,270,792
Frank Jackson NOP PG 19 3 RFA $1,270,792
Sindarius Thornwell LAC SG 23 3 RFA $1,270,792
Royce O'Neal UTH SF 24 3 RFA $1,270,792
Dwayne Bacon CHA SG 22 3 RFA $1,270,792
Sterling Brown MIL SG 22 3 RFA $1,270,792
Pascal Siakam TOR PF 23 4 RFA $1,249,880
Ivan Rabb MEM PF 20 3 RFA $1,164,121
Isaiah Whitehead BKN PG 22 4 UFA $1,146,474
Jawun Evans LAC PG 21 3 RFA $1,096,929
Tyler Ulis PHX PG 21 4 UFA $1,000,000
Paul Zipser

And aside from Kawhi, none of those guys will be in their prime or good enough to make us a contender. You really think a mid to late 30s Kyle Lowry, Al Horford, Marc Gasol, etc. is anything to get excited about?

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12/27/2017  1:43 PM
Welpee wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Welpee wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:3 - This is the Knicks. We likely will outbid the next highest team by at least 20 mil. We may also give a little more than we have to out of respect. I'd be shocked if Kanter gets less than TH. I think he gets somewhere between 75 mil and almost a max contract.
New regime. Based on what you've seen thus far what makes you believe Perry/Mills will operate as the other former GMs have? I think so far they've been pretty fiscally responsible and have gotten a lot of mileage for the money they've spent.

It's a new regime. That's why I said 20 mil (not 50 mil). That's what we did for TH. We probably paid double for Baker too.
If I'm not mistaken, wasn't Baker signed after Phil was fired but before Perry was hired? Also, it's common knowledge if you want a restricted free agent you have to structure the contract in a way that the current team won't match it. So you have to treat that differently than the Noah unrestricted free agent contract debacle.

Cool. Then if we want to go that route, why not frontload the contract so that it doesn't hurt us down the road? Why is our thinking as a franchise always so linear and short-sighted?

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12/27/2017  1:44 PM
Knixkik wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:
EnySpree wrote:Kanter wants to be here. He associates the team with family. He adopted the city. He's very friendly with the fans. I think he will override his agent to stay here. We have a good thing going with Kanter and KP.... we can't keep flipping guys chasing draft picks and cheap value players.

The real question needs to go to what we do with Noah, Willy and KOQ. 2 of those guys have to go.

Hardaway needs to get healthy. Courtney Lee has been great for us. We need better support from our bench. At times the guys we have can be brilliant. Other times they are a waste of space. Scott Perry has a really tough job to sort this all out


I've gone everywhere with different scenarios on what we should do but starting to think it's best to just sit on what we have now. We keep both C.Lee and J.Noah and in 2 years both come off the books giving us around $30 mil in cap space in 2020 with a very strong free agency list. If there's any trade this year it should be either Willy or KOQ or both. Not only will we have cap space to sign a star player but we'll also have added 3 1st round pick in the next 3 drafts along with whatever 2nd round picks we have. All we have to do is sit down with KP and sell him on waiting until 2020 until we add that next big piece to this team but we'll also still have a chance at being a good team up until that point with added draft picks and whatever smaller trades or free agent signings we make, who knows, maybe we get lucky and make a great trade or get a beast in the drafts up until that point which would only help in attracting that big name in 2020.

2020 free agents

Kawhi Leonard---i know he's most likely not leaving San Antonio but i'm just naming 2020 free agents
K.Irving--Ainge is really good at getting the guys he wants signed but if they don't make a championship by then then maybe he'd be happy elsewhere.
K.Lowry
A.Horford
H.Barnes--he could be perfect for our SF spot
K.Love
H.Whiteside
J.Teague
G.Hill
D.Gallo
J.Butler--would be a great signing
K.Middleton--would also be a great addition at SF

The list goes on and on. It's a huge free agency

Kyle Lowry TOR PG 31 14 UFA $33,333,333
Paul Millsap DEN PF 32 14 UFA $30,500,000
Al Horford BOS C 31 13 UFA $28,331,557
Hassan Whiteside MIA C 28 8 UFA $24,604,885
Harrison Barnes DAL SF 25 8 UFA $23,609,631
Kevin Love CLE C 29 12 UFA $22,642,350
Marc Gasol MEM C 32 12 UFA $22,642,350
Serge Ibaka TOR PF 28 11 UFA $21,666,667
Danilo Gallinari LAC SF 29 12 UFA $21,587,579
Ryan Anderson HOU PF 29 12 UFA $20,000,000
Jeff Teague MIN PG 29 11 UFA $19,000,000
George Hill SAC PG 31 12 UFA $19,000,000
Kawhi Leonard SAS SF 26 9 UFA $18,868,625
Kyrie Irving BOS PG 25 9 UFA $18,868,625
Allen Crabbe BKN SG 25 7 UFA $18,708,125
Jimmy Butler MIN SG 28 9 UFA $18,467,976
Joakim Noah NYK C 32 13 UFA $18,147,500
Luol Deng LAL SF 32 16 UFA $18,000,000
Bismack Biyombo ORL C 25 9 UFA $18,000,000
Kent Bazemore ATL SF 28 8 UFA $17,500,000
Evan Turner POR SG 29 10 UFA $17,500,000
Goran Dragic MIA PG 31 12 UFA $17,000,450
Draymond Green GSW PF 27 8 UFA $16,400,000
Tristan Thompson CLE C 26 9 UFA $16,400,000
Reggie Jackson DET PG 27 9 UFA $16,000,000
Jonas Valanciunas TOR C 25 8 UFA $16,000,000
Andre Iguodala GSW SF 33 16 UFA $16,000,000
Timofey Mozgov BKN C 31 10 UFA $16,000,000
Pau Gasol SAS PF 37 19 UFA $16,000,000
Ian Mahinmi WAS C 31 12 UFA $16,000,000
J.R. Smith CLE SG 32 16 UFA $14,250,000
Brandon Knight PHX PG 26 9 UFA $14,000,000
Khris Middleton MIL SF 26 8 UFA $14,000,000
Mason Plumlee DEN C 27 7 UFA $13,666,667
Marvin Williams CHA PF 31 15 UFA $13,628,125
Eric Gordon HOU SG 28 12 UFA $13,221,622
Michael Kidd-Gilchrist CHA SF 24 8 UFA $13,000,000
Tyler Johnson BKN SG 24 6 UFA $12,500,000
Jordan Clarkson LAL PG 25 6 UFA $12,500,000
Miles Plumlee ATL C 29 8 UFA $12,500,000
Courtney Lee NYK SG 32 12 UFA $12,000,835
Solomon Hill NOP SF 26 7 UFA $12,000,000
John Henson MIL PF 26 8 UFA $12,000,000
Omer Asik NOP C 31 10 UFA $11,595,505
Maurice Harkless POR SF 24 8 UFA $10,500,000
Jon Leuer DET PF 28 9 UFA $10,500,000
Meyers Leonard POR PF 25 8 UFA $10,250,000
Andre Roberson OKC SG 26 7 UFA $10,000,000
Matthew Dellavedova MIL PG 27 7 UFA $9,607,500
Dwight Powell DAL PF 26 6 UFA $9,317,188
Bogdan Bogdanovic SAC SG 25 3 RFA $9,000,000
E'Twaun Moore NOP SG 28 9 UFA $8,500,000
C.J. Miles TOR SF 30 15 UFA $8,333,333
Shaun Livingston GSW PG 32 15 UFA $7,897,436
Kyle Korver CLE SG 36 17 UFA $7,353,333
D.J. Augustin ORL PG 30 12 UFA $7,250,000
Jae Crowder CLE SF 27 8 UFA $7,000,000
Langston Galloway DET PG 26 6 UFA $7,000,000
Lance Thomas NYK SF 29 9 UFA $6,887,488
Jonathon Simmons ORL SF 28 5 UFA $6,666,667
Ben Simmons PHI PG 21 4 RFA $6,168,840
Alan Williams PHX PF 24 5 UFA $5,666,667
Brandon Ingram LAL SF 20 4 RFA $5,519,400
Patrick Patterson OKC PF 28 10 UFA $5,451,600
Jaylen Brown BOS SF 21 4 RFA $4,956,480
Kyle Singler OKC SF 29 8 UFA $4,750,000
Dragan Bender PHX PF 20 4 RFA $4,468,800
Kris Dunn CHI PG 23 4 RFA $4,046,760
Domantas Sabonis IND PF 21 4 RFA $3,825,000
Buddy Hield SAC SG 24 4 RFA $3,675,480
Nene Hilario HOU C 35 18 UFA $3,651,480
Jamal Murray DEN PG 20 4 RFA $3,355,320
Marquese Chriss PHX PF 20 4 RFA $3,073,800
Jakob Poeltl TOR C 22 4 RFA $2,825,640
Cedi Osman CLE SF 22 3 RFA $2,772,355
Thon Maker MIL PF 20 4 RFA $2,684,160
Taurean Prince ATL SF 23 4 RFA $2,422,560
Dario Saric PHI SF 23 4 RFA $2,422,560
Georgios Papagiannis SAC C 20 4 RFA $2,301,360
Denzel Valentine CHI SG 24 4 RFA $2,186,400
Juan Hernangomez DEN PF 22 4 UFA $2,076,880
Malik Beasley DEN SG 21 4 RFA $1,958,379
Eric Moreland DET PF 26 5 UFA $1,826,300
Henry Ellenson DET PF 20 4 RFA $1,780,800
Caris LeVert BKN SG 23 4 RFA $1,632,520
DeAndre' Bembry ATL SG 23 4 RFA $1,567,200
Troy Williams HOU SF 22 4 UFA $1,564,356
Malachi Richardson SAC SG 21 4 RFA $1,504,600
Willy Hernangomez NYK C 23 4 UFA $1,466,125
Frank Mason SAC PG 23 3 RFA $1,393,716
Timothe Luwawu-Cabarrot PHI SG 22 4 RFA $1,386,640
Damyean Dotson NYK SG 23 3 RFA $1,365,587
Wesley Iwundu ORL SG 23 3 RFA $1,348,921
Dejounte Murray SAS PG 21 4 RFA $1,345,881
Damian Jones GSW C 22 4 RFA $1,332,906
Ike Anigbogu IND C 19 3 RFA $1,315,587
Skal Labissiere SAC PF 21 4 RFA $1,315,209
Deyonta Davis MEM C 21 4 RFA $1,307,614
Dillon Brooks MEM SF 21 3 RFA $1,270,792
Frank Jackson NOP PG 19 3 RFA $1,270,792
Sindarius Thornwell LAC SG 23 3 RFA $1,270,792
Royce O'Neal UTH SF 24 3 RFA $1,270,792
Dwayne Bacon CHA SG 22 3 RFA $1,270,792
Sterling Brown MIL SG 22 3 RFA $1,270,792
Pascal Siakam TOR PF 23 4 RFA $1,249,880
Ivan Rabb MEM PF 20 3 RFA $1,164,121
Isaiah Whitehead BKN PG 22 4 UFA $1,146,474
Jawun Evans LAC PG 21 3 RFA $1,096,929
Tyler Ulis PHX PG 21 4 UFA $1,000,000
Paul Zipser


Middleton actually has an opt out in 2019 which he will likely use. I like him a lot as a 2019 signing.

At what price and contract length would you want to lock up 28 year old Khris Middleton?

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12/27/2017  1:45 PM
newyorker4ever wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
ekstarks94 wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
EnySpree wrote:Kanter wants to be here. He associates the team with family. He adopted the city. He's very friendly with the fans. I think he will override his agent to stay here. We have a good thing going with Kanter and KP.... we can't keep flipping guys chasing draft picks and cheap value players.

The real question needs to go to what we do with Noah, Willy and KOQ. 2 of those guys have to go.

Hardaway needs to get healthy. Courtney Lee has been great for us. We need better support from our bench. At times the guys we have can be brilliant. Other times they are a waste of space. Scott Perry has a really tough job to sort this all out


I think Perry was being honest when he acknowledged that this was going to be a rebuilding year. A couple of things fell into place and we're better than expected, but we're still rebuilding. I can't be too upset because the roster is what it is. I agree, that we need to figure out what to do with our spare bigs. But let's be honest, no of those guys are going to bring back the wing help we need unless we package our first. Is it worth it at this point? I don't think so.

If Willy did not regress...which I strongly believe is temporary...he would bring us something decent...dunno about now

He appears to be behind Noah on the depth chart at this point.

And he should be. People are underestimating what a healthy Noah can still do for this team and for what he does on the court he'd fit in nicely playing next to KP with other scoring on the floor with them with Timmy and C.Lee or Dougie at SF.

Him being healthy has been a big "if" for nearly a half dozen seasons now. What leads you to believe he'll ever stay healthy long enough for anyone to care?

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12/27/2017  1:53 PM
NardDogNation wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
ekstarks94 wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
EnySpree wrote:Kanter wants to be here. He associates the team with family. He adopted the city. He's very friendly with the fans. I think he will override his agent to stay here. We have a good thing going with Kanter and KP.... we can't keep flipping guys chasing draft picks and cheap value players.

The real question needs to go to what we do with Noah, Willy and KOQ. 2 of those guys have to go.

Hardaway needs to get healthy. Courtney Lee has been great for us. We need better support from our bench. At times the guys we have can be brilliant. Other times they are a waste of space. Scott Perry has a really tough job to sort this all out


I think Perry was being honest when he acknowledged that this was going to be a rebuilding year. A couple of things fell into place and we're better than expected, but we're still rebuilding. I can't be too upset because the roster is what it is. I agree, that we need to figure out what to do with our spare bigs. But let's be honest, no of those guys are going to bring back the wing help we need unless we package our first. Is it worth it at this point? I don't think so.

If Willy did not regress...which I strongly believe is temporary...he would bring us something decent...dunno about now

He appears to be behind Noah on the depth chart at this point.

And he should be. People are underestimating what a healthy Noah can still do for this team and for what he does on the court he'd fit in nicely playing next to KP with other scoring on the floor with them with Timmy and C.Lee or Dougie at SF.

Him being healthy has been a big "if" for nearly a half dozen seasons now. What leads you to believe he'll ever stay healthy long enough for anyone to care?

didnt you just say you are jealous of Phili and mentioned Embiid? We will see what happens with Noah and how the FO values (or doesnt) in the nest year. One thing about Perry is he doesnt make knee jerk calls.
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12/27/2017  1:54 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
Welpee wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Welpee wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:3 - This is the Knicks. We likely will outbid the next highest team by at least 20 mil. We may also give a little more than we have to out of respect. I'd be shocked if Kanter gets less than TH. I think he gets somewhere between 75 mil and almost a max contract.
New regime. Based on what you've seen thus far what makes you believe Perry/Mills will operate as the other former GMs have? I think so far they've been pretty fiscally responsible and have gotten a lot of mileage for the money they've spent.

It's a new regime. That's why I said 20 mil (not 50 mil). That's what we did for TH. We probably paid double for Baker too.
If I'm not mistaken, wasn't Baker signed after Phil was fired but before Perry was hired? Also, it's common knowledge if you want a restricted free agent you have to structure the contract in a way that the current team won't match it. So you have to treat that differently than the Noah unrestricted free agent contract debacle.

As imperfect as it is, TH is the only data point we have then. It's either that or guess blindly.
It's not really the only data point unless you're only going to consider free agent signings: Melo trade and the acquisition of Jack, Sessions, Beasley and Burke.
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12/27/2017  4:28 PM
Welpee wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Welpee wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Welpee wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:3 - This is the Knicks. We likely will outbid the next highest team by at least 20 mil. We may also give a little more than we have to out of respect. I'd be shocked if Kanter gets less than TH. I think he gets somewhere between 75 mil and almost a max contract.
New regime. Based on what you've seen thus far what makes you believe Perry/Mills will operate as the other former GMs have? I think so far they've been pretty fiscally responsible and have gotten a lot of mileage for the money they've spent.

It's a new regime. That's why I said 20 mil (not 50 mil). That's what we did for TH. We probably paid double for Baker too.
If I'm not mistaken, wasn't Baker signed after Phil was fired but before Perry was hired? Also, it's common knowledge if you want a restricted free agent you have to structure the contract in a way that the current team won't match it. So you have to treat that differently than the Noah unrestricted free agent contract debacle.

As imperfect as it is, TH is the only data point we have then. It's either that or guess blindly.
It's not really the only data point unless you're only going to consider free agent signings: Melo trade and the acquisition of Jack, Sessions, Beasley and Burke.
and there is more context for THjr that you are leaving out. He's paid middle of the road for his position and the guy he really replaces is Holiday is who is also 3 years OLDER. So the context for THjr is overpaid *enough* to acquire him, got younger, upgraded a position of need.

THjr looks a like a very good FA signing and Im not even a huge fan, but he's been everything they said they hoped he would be.

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12/27/2017  4:39 PM
NardDogNation wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:
EnySpree wrote:Kanter wants to be here. He associates the team with family. He adopted the city. He's very friendly with the fans. I think he will override his agent to stay here. We have a good thing going with Kanter and KP.... we can't keep flipping guys chasing draft picks and cheap value players.

The real question needs to go to what we do with Noah, Willy and KOQ. 2 of those guys have to go.

Hardaway needs to get healthy. Courtney Lee has been great for us. We need better support from our bench. At times the guys we have can be brilliant. Other times they are a waste of space. Scott Perry has a really tough job to sort this all out


I've gone everywhere with different scenarios on what we should do but starting to think it's best to just sit on what we have now. We keep both C.Lee and J.Noah and in 2 years both come off the books giving us around $30 mil in cap space in 2020 with a very strong free agency list. If there's any trade this year it should be either Willy or KOQ or both. Not only will we have cap space to sign a star player but we'll also have added 3 1st round pick in the next 3 drafts along with whatever 2nd round picks we have. All we have to do is sit down with KP and sell him on waiting until 2020 until we add that next big piece to this team but we'll also still have a chance at being a good team up until that point with added draft picks and whatever smaller trades or free agent signings we make, who knows, maybe we get lucky and make a great trade or get a beast in the drafts up until that point which would only help in attracting that big name in 2020.

2020 free agents

Kawhi Leonard---i know he's most likely not leaving San Antonio but i'm just naming 2020 free agents
K.Irving--Ainge is really good at getting the guys he wants signed but if they don't make a championship by then then maybe he'd be happy elsewhere.
K.Lowry
A.Horford
H.Barnes--he could be perfect for our SF spot
K.Love
H.Whiteside
J.Teague
G.Hill
D.Gallo
J.Butler--would be a great signing
K.Middleton--would also be a great addition at SF

The list goes on and on. It's a huge free agency

Kyle Lowry TOR PG 31 14 UFA $33,333,333
Paul Millsap DEN PF 32 14 UFA $30,500,000
Al Horford BOS C 31 13 UFA $28,331,557
Hassan Whiteside MIA C 28 8 UFA $24,604,885
Harrison Barnes DAL SF 25 8 UFA $23,609,631
Kevin Love CLE C 29 12 UFA $22,642,350
Marc Gasol MEM C 32 12 UFA $22,642,350
Serge Ibaka TOR PF 28 11 UFA $21,666,667
Danilo Gallinari LAC SF 29 12 UFA $21,587,579
Ryan Anderson HOU PF 29 12 UFA $20,000,000
Jeff Teague MIN PG 29 11 UFA $19,000,000
George Hill SAC PG 31 12 UFA $19,000,000
Kawhi Leonard SAS SF 26 9 UFA $18,868,625
Kyrie Irving BOS PG 25 9 UFA $18,868,625
Allen Crabbe BKN SG 25 7 UFA $18,708,125
Jimmy Butler MIN SG 28 9 UFA $18,467,976
Joakim Noah NYK C 32 13 UFA $18,147,500
Luol Deng LAL SF 32 16 UFA $18,000,000
Bismack Biyombo ORL C 25 9 UFA $18,000,000
Kent Bazemore ATL SF 28 8 UFA $17,500,000
Evan Turner POR SG 29 10 UFA $17,500,000
Goran Dragic MIA PG 31 12 UFA $17,000,450
Draymond Green GSW PF 27 8 UFA $16,400,000
Tristan Thompson CLE C 26 9 UFA $16,400,000
Reggie Jackson DET PG 27 9 UFA $16,000,000
Jonas Valanciunas TOR C 25 8 UFA $16,000,000
Andre Iguodala GSW SF 33 16 UFA $16,000,000
Timofey Mozgov BKN C 31 10 UFA $16,000,000
Pau Gasol SAS PF 37 19 UFA $16,000,000
Ian Mahinmi WAS C 31 12 UFA $16,000,000
J.R. Smith CLE SG 32 16 UFA $14,250,000
Brandon Knight PHX PG 26 9 UFA $14,000,000
Khris Middleton MIL SF 26 8 UFA $14,000,000
Mason Plumlee DEN C 27 7 UFA $13,666,667
Marvin Williams CHA PF 31 15 UFA $13,628,125
Eric Gordon HOU SG 28 12 UFA $13,221,622
Michael Kidd-Gilchrist CHA SF 24 8 UFA $13,000,000
Tyler Johnson BKN SG 24 6 UFA $12,500,000
Jordan Clarkson LAL PG 25 6 UFA $12,500,000
Miles Plumlee ATL C 29 8 UFA $12,500,000
Courtney Lee NYK SG 32 12 UFA $12,000,835
Solomon Hill NOP SF 26 7 UFA $12,000,000
John Henson MIL PF 26 8 UFA $12,000,000
Omer Asik NOP C 31 10 UFA $11,595,505
Maurice Harkless POR SF 24 8 UFA $10,500,000
Jon Leuer DET PF 28 9 UFA $10,500,000
Meyers Leonard POR PF 25 8 UFA $10,250,000
Andre Roberson OKC SG 26 7 UFA $10,000,000
Matthew Dellavedova MIL PG 27 7 UFA $9,607,500
Dwight Powell DAL PF 26 6 UFA $9,317,188
Bogdan Bogdanovic SAC SG 25 3 RFA $9,000,000
E'Twaun Moore NOP SG 28 9 UFA $8,500,000
C.J. Miles TOR SF 30 15 UFA $8,333,333
Shaun Livingston GSW PG 32 15 UFA $7,897,436
Kyle Korver CLE SG 36 17 UFA $7,353,333
D.J. Augustin ORL PG 30 12 UFA $7,250,000
Jae Crowder CLE SF 27 8 UFA $7,000,000
Langston Galloway DET PG 26 6 UFA $7,000,000
Lance Thomas NYK SF 29 9 UFA $6,887,488
Jonathon Simmons ORL SF 28 5 UFA $6,666,667
Ben Simmons PHI PG 21 4 RFA $6,168,840
Alan Williams PHX PF 24 5 UFA $5,666,667
Brandon Ingram LAL SF 20 4 RFA $5,519,400
Patrick Patterson OKC PF 28 10 UFA $5,451,600
Jaylen Brown BOS SF 21 4 RFA $4,956,480
Kyle Singler OKC SF 29 8 UFA $4,750,000
Dragan Bender PHX PF 20 4 RFA $4,468,800
Kris Dunn CHI PG 23 4 RFA $4,046,760
Domantas Sabonis IND PF 21 4 RFA $3,825,000
Buddy Hield SAC SG 24 4 RFA $3,675,480
Nene Hilario HOU C 35 18 UFA $3,651,480
Jamal Murray DEN PG 20 4 RFA $3,355,320
Marquese Chriss PHX PF 20 4 RFA $3,073,800
Jakob Poeltl TOR C 22 4 RFA $2,825,640
Cedi Osman CLE SF 22 3 RFA $2,772,355
Thon Maker MIL PF 20 4 RFA $2,684,160
Taurean Prince ATL SF 23 4 RFA $2,422,560
Dario Saric PHI SF 23 4 RFA $2,422,560
Georgios Papagiannis SAC C 20 4 RFA $2,301,360
Denzel Valentine CHI SG 24 4 RFA $2,186,400
Juan Hernangomez DEN PF 22 4 UFA $2,076,880
Malik Beasley DEN SG 21 4 RFA $1,958,379
Eric Moreland DET PF 26 5 UFA $1,826,300
Henry Ellenson DET PF 20 4 RFA $1,780,800
Caris LeVert BKN SG 23 4 RFA $1,632,520
DeAndre' Bembry ATL SG 23 4 RFA $1,567,200
Troy Williams HOU SF 22 4 UFA $1,564,356
Malachi Richardson SAC SG 21 4 RFA $1,504,600
Willy Hernangomez NYK C 23 4 UFA $1,466,125
Frank Mason SAC PG 23 3 RFA $1,393,716
Timothe Luwawu-Cabarrot PHI SG 22 4 RFA $1,386,640
Damyean Dotson NYK SG 23 3 RFA $1,365,587
Wesley Iwundu ORL SG 23 3 RFA $1,348,921
Dejounte Murray SAS PG 21 4 RFA $1,345,881
Damian Jones GSW C 22 4 RFA $1,332,906
Ike Anigbogu IND C 19 3 RFA $1,315,587
Skal Labissiere SAC PF 21 4 RFA $1,315,209
Deyonta Davis MEM C 21 4 RFA $1,307,614
Dillon Brooks MEM SF 21 3 RFA $1,270,792
Frank Jackson NOP PG 19 3 RFA $1,270,792
Sindarius Thornwell LAC SG 23 3 RFA $1,270,792
Royce O'Neal UTH SF 24 3 RFA $1,270,792
Dwayne Bacon CHA SG 22 3 RFA $1,270,792
Sterling Brown MIL SG 22 3 RFA $1,270,792
Pascal Siakam TOR PF 23 4 RFA $1,249,880
Ivan Rabb MEM PF 20 3 RFA $1,164,121
Isaiah Whitehead BKN PG 22 4 UFA $1,146,474
Jawun Evans LAC PG 21 3 RFA $1,096,929
Tyler Ulis PHX PG 21 4 UFA $1,000,000
Paul Zipser

And aside from Kawhi, none of those guys will be in their prime or good enough to make us a contender. You really think a mid to late 30s Kyle Lowry, Al Horford, Marc Gasol, etc. is anything to get excited about?


I never said who would do what for us, i just mentioned names of free agents in 2020. I did say that Middleton and H.Barnes would be nice fits at SF for us but never said anything about K.Lowry, A.Horford or M.Gasol soooooooooooooooooo...................

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12/27/2017  4:42 PM
NardDogNation wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
ekstarks94 wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
EnySpree wrote:Kanter wants to be here. He associates the team with family. He adopted the city. He's very friendly with the fans. I think he will override his agent to stay here. We have a good thing going with Kanter and KP.... we can't keep flipping guys chasing draft picks and cheap value players.

The real question needs to go to what we do with Noah, Willy and KOQ. 2 of those guys have to go.

Hardaway needs to get healthy. Courtney Lee has been great for us. We need better support from our bench. At times the guys we have can be brilliant. Other times they are a waste of space. Scott Perry has a really tough job to sort this all out


I think Perry was being honest when he acknowledged that this was going to be a rebuilding year. A couple of things fell into place and we're better than expected, but we're still rebuilding. I can't be too upset because the roster is what it is. I agree, that we need to figure out what to do with our spare bigs. But let's be honest, no of those guys are going to bring back the wing help we need unless we package our first. Is it worth it at this point? I don't think so.

If Willy did not regress...which I strongly believe is temporary...he would bring us something decent...dunno about now

He appears to be behind Noah on the depth chart at this point.

And he should be. People are underestimating what a healthy Noah can still do for this team and for what he does on the court he'd fit in nicely playing next to KP with other scoring on the floor with them with Timmy and C.Lee or Dougie at SF.

Him being healthy has been a big "if" for nearly a half dozen seasons now. What leads you to believe he'll ever stay healthy long enough for anyone to care?

Again......all i said was that a healthy Noah could help this team, which is true, but never made any predictions on how long he would stay healthy of if he could. Either way, you nor me know if he can or not. Is saying people said something they never said what you do to try to prove a point??

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12/27/2017  6:57 PM
fishmike wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
ekstarks94 wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
EnySpree wrote:Kanter wants to be here. He associates the team with family. He adopted the city. He's very friendly with the fans. I think he will override his agent to stay here. We have a good thing going with Kanter and KP.... we can't keep flipping guys chasing draft picks and cheap value players.

The real question needs to go to what we do with Noah, Willy and KOQ. 2 of those guys have to go.

Hardaway needs to get healthy. Courtney Lee has been great for us. We need better support from our bench. At times the guys we have can be brilliant. Other times they are a waste of space. Scott Perry has a really tough job to sort this all out


I think Perry was being honest when he acknowledged that this was going to be a rebuilding year. A couple of things fell into place and we're better than expected, but we're still rebuilding. I can't be too upset because the roster is what it is. I agree, that we need to figure out what to do with our spare bigs. But let's be honest, no of those guys are going to bring back the wing help we need unless we package our first. Is it worth it at this point? I don't think so.

If Willy did not regress...which I strongly believe is temporary...he would bring us something decent...dunno about now

He appears to be behind Noah on the depth chart at this point.

And he should be. People are underestimating what a healthy Noah can still do for this team and for what he does on the court he'd fit in nicely playing next to KP with other scoring on the floor with them with Timmy and C.Lee or Dougie at SF.

Him being healthy has been a big "if" for nearly a half dozen seasons now. What leads you to believe he'll ever stay healthy long enough for anyone to care?

didnt you just say you are jealous of Phili and mentioned Embiid? We will see what happens with Noah and how the FO values (or doesnt) in the nest year. One thing about Perry is he doesnt make knee jerk calls.

Dude, how do you even know that? Has the guy ever run point on decision-making for a franchise before this gig?

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12/27/2017  6:59 PM
newyorker4ever wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:
EnySpree wrote:Kanter wants to be here. He associates the team with family. He adopted the city. He's very friendly with the fans. I think he will override his agent to stay here. We have a good thing going with Kanter and KP.... we can't keep flipping guys chasing draft picks and cheap value players.

The real question needs to go to what we do with Noah, Willy and KOQ. 2 of those guys have to go.

Hardaway needs to get healthy. Courtney Lee has been great for us. We need better support from our bench. At times the guys we have can be brilliant. Other times they are a waste of space. Scott Perry has a really tough job to sort this all out


I've gone everywhere with different scenarios on what we should do but starting to think it's best to just sit on what we have now. We keep both C.Lee and J.Noah and in 2 years both come off the books giving us around $30 mil in cap space in 2020 with a very strong free agency list. If there's any trade this year it should be either Willy or KOQ or both. Not only will we have cap space to sign a star player but we'll also have added 3 1st round pick in the next 3 drafts along with whatever 2nd round picks we have. All we have to do is sit down with KP and sell him on waiting until 2020 until we add that next big piece to this team but we'll also still have a chance at being a good team up until that point with added draft picks and whatever smaller trades or free agent signings we make, who knows, maybe we get lucky and make a great trade or get a beast in the drafts up until that point which would only help in attracting that big name in 2020.

2020 free agents

Kawhi Leonard---i know he's most likely not leaving San Antonio but i'm just naming 2020 free agents
K.Irving--Ainge is really good at getting the guys he wants signed but if they don't make a championship by then then maybe he'd be happy elsewhere.
K.Lowry
A.Horford
H.Barnes--he could be perfect for our SF spot
K.Love
H.Whiteside
J.Teague
G.Hill
D.Gallo
J.Butler--would be a great signing
K.Middleton--would also be a great addition at SF

The list goes on and on. It's a huge free agency

Kyle Lowry TOR PG 31 14 UFA $33,333,333
Paul Millsap DEN PF 32 14 UFA $30,500,000
Al Horford BOS C 31 13 UFA $28,331,557
Hassan Whiteside MIA C 28 8 UFA $24,604,885
Harrison Barnes DAL SF 25 8 UFA $23,609,631
Kevin Love CLE C 29 12 UFA $22,642,350
Marc Gasol MEM C 32 12 UFA $22,642,350
Serge Ibaka TOR PF 28 11 UFA $21,666,667
Danilo Gallinari LAC SF 29 12 UFA $21,587,579
Ryan Anderson HOU PF 29 12 UFA $20,000,000
Jeff Teague MIN PG 29 11 UFA $19,000,000
George Hill SAC PG 31 12 UFA $19,000,000
Kawhi Leonard SAS SF 26 9 UFA $18,868,625
Kyrie Irving BOS PG 25 9 UFA $18,868,625
Allen Crabbe BKN SG 25 7 UFA $18,708,125
Jimmy Butler MIN SG 28 9 UFA $18,467,976
Joakim Noah NYK C 32 13 UFA $18,147,500
Luol Deng LAL SF 32 16 UFA $18,000,000
Bismack Biyombo ORL C 25 9 UFA $18,000,000
Kent Bazemore ATL SF 28 8 UFA $17,500,000
Evan Turner POR SG 29 10 UFA $17,500,000
Goran Dragic MIA PG 31 12 UFA $17,000,450
Draymond Green GSW PF 27 8 UFA $16,400,000
Tristan Thompson CLE C 26 9 UFA $16,400,000
Reggie Jackson DET PG 27 9 UFA $16,000,000
Jonas Valanciunas TOR C 25 8 UFA $16,000,000
Andre Iguodala GSW SF 33 16 UFA $16,000,000
Timofey Mozgov BKN C 31 10 UFA $16,000,000
Pau Gasol SAS PF 37 19 UFA $16,000,000
Ian Mahinmi WAS C 31 12 UFA $16,000,000
J.R. Smith CLE SG 32 16 UFA $14,250,000
Brandon Knight PHX PG 26 9 UFA $14,000,000
Khris Middleton MIL SF 26 8 UFA $14,000,000
Mason Plumlee DEN C 27 7 UFA $13,666,667
Marvin Williams CHA PF 31 15 UFA $13,628,125
Eric Gordon HOU SG 28 12 UFA $13,221,622
Michael Kidd-Gilchrist CHA SF 24 8 UFA $13,000,000
Tyler Johnson BKN SG 24 6 UFA $12,500,000
Jordan Clarkson LAL PG 25 6 UFA $12,500,000
Miles Plumlee ATL C 29 8 UFA $12,500,000
Courtney Lee NYK SG 32 12 UFA $12,000,835
Solomon Hill NOP SF 26 7 UFA $12,000,000
John Henson MIL PF 26 8 UFA $12,000,000
Omer Asik NOP C 31 10 UFA $11,595,505
Maurice Harkless POR SF 24 8 UFA $10,500,000
Jon Leuer DET PF 28 9 UFA $10,500,000
Meyers Leonard POR PF 25 8 UFA $10,250,000
Andre Roberson OKC SG 26 7 UFA $10,000,000
Matthew Dellavedova MIL PG 27 7 UFA $9,607,500
Dwight Powell DAL PF 26 6 UFA $9,317,188
Bogdan Bogdanovic SAC SG 25 3 RFA $9,000,000
E'Twaun Moore NOP SG 28 9 UFA $8,500,000
C.J. Miles TOR SF 30 15 UFA $8,333,333
Shaun Livingston GSW PG 32 15 UFA $7,897,436
Kyle Korver CLE SG 36 17 UFA $7,353,333
D.J. Augustin ORL PG 30 12 UFA $7,250,000
Jae Crowder CLE SF 27 8 UFA $7,000,000
Langston Galloway DET PG 26 6 UFA $7,000,000
Lance Thomas NYK SF 29 9 UFA $6,887,488
Jonathon Simmons ORL SF 28 5 UFA $6,666,667
Ben Simmons PHI PG 21 4 RFA $6,168,840
Alan Williams PHX PF 24 5 UFA $5,666,667
Brandon Ingram LAL SF 20 4 RFA $5,519,400
Patrick Patterson OKC PF 28 10 UFA $5,451,600
Jaylen Brown BOS SF 21 4 RFA $4,956,480
Kyle Singler OKC SF 29 8 UFA $4,750,000
Dragan Bender PHX PF 20 4 RFA $4,468,800
Kris Dunn CHI PG 23 4 RFA $4,046,760
Domantas Sabonis IND PF 21 4 RFA $3,825,000
Buddy Hield SAC SG 24 4 RFA $3,675,480
Nene Hilario HOU C 35 18 UFA $3,651,480
Jamal Murray DEN PG 20 4 RFA $3,355,320
Marquese Chriss PHX PF 20 4 RFA $3,073,800
Jakob Poeltl TOR C 22 4 RFA $2,825,640
Cedi Osman CLE SF 22 3 RFA $2,772,355
Thon Maker MIL PF 20 4 RFA $2,684,160
Taurean Prince ATL SF 23 4 RFA $2,422,560
Dario Saric PHI SF 23 4 RFA $2,422,560
Georgios Papagiannis SAC C 20 4 RFA $2,301,360
Denzel Valentine CHI SG 24 4 RFA $2,186,400
Juan Hernangomez DEN PF 22 4 UFA $2,076,880
Malik Beasley DEN SG 21 4 RFA $1,958,379
Eric Moreland DET PF 26 5 UFA $1,826,300
Henry Ellenson DET PF 20 4 RFA $1,780,800
Caris LeVert BKN SG 23 4 RFA $1,632,520
DeAndre' Bembry ATL SG 23 4 RFA $1,567,200
Troy Williams HOU SF 22 4 UFA $1,564,356
Malachi Richardson SAC SG 21 4 RFA $1,504,600
Willy Hernangomez NYK C 23 4 UFA $1,466,125
Frank Mason SAC PG 23 3 RFA $1,393,716
Timothe Luwawu-Cabarrot PHI SG 22 4 RFA $1,386,640
Damyean Dotson NYK SG 23 3 RFA $1,365,587
Wesley Iwundu ORL SG 23 3 RFA $1,348,921
Dejounte Murray SAS PG 21 4 RFA $1,345,881
Damian Jones GSW C 22 4 RFA $1,332,906
Ike Anigbogu IND C 19 3 RFA $1,315,587
Skal Labissiere SAC PF 21 4 RFA $1,315,209
Deyonta Davis MEM C 21 4 RFA $1,307,614
Dillon Brooks MEM SF 21 3 RFA $1,270,792
Frank Jackson NOP PG 19 3 RFA $1,270,792
Sindarius Thornwell LAC SG 23 3 RFA $1,270,792
Royce O'Neal UTH SF 24 3 RFA $1,270,792
Dwayne Bacon CHA SG 22 3 RFA $1,270,792
Sterling Brown MIL SG 22 3 RFA $1,270,792
Pascal Siakam TOR PF 23 4 RFA $1,249,880
Ivan Rabb MEM PF 20 3 RFA $1,164,121
Isaiah Whitehead BKN PG 22 4 UFA $1,146,474
Jawun Evans LAC PG 21 3 RFA $1,096,929
Tyler Ulis PHX PG 21 4 UFA $1,000,000
Paul Zipser

And aside from Kawhi, none of those guys will be in their prime or good enough to make us a contender. You really think a mid to late 30s Kyle Lowry, Al Horford, Marc Gasol, etc. is anything to get excited about?


I never said who would do what for us, i just mentioned names of free agents in 2020. I did say that Middleton and H.Barnes would be nice fits at SF for us but never said anything about K.Lowry, A.Horford or M.Gasol soooooooooooooooooo...................

No but what you did was tout the free agency class and had them atop it...which lead me to believe they'd be atop your wishlist....since said free agent class is so awesome.

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